As a foreigner you will be charged more than double what a local or Russian speaking person would be. As a seasoned traveler I stay in Kyiv for no more than 50 a night, much cheaper in smaller city's. If you land at Borispil take the bus to the train station , you can access all of Kyiv and almost any city in Ukraine from the train station. The buses to the different city's are at the train station, some are out front the rest are in the back behind Mcdonalds. You will need some grivna but you can get some at the airport in terminal A/B. Bus to vokzalna (train station) is 25 griv. the Metro is also on the back side of the train station, cost is 2 griv each way. All the signs in the Metro have English and Russian so no need for interpreter here.
I am sure some of the other seasoned travelers will add some of there cost saving measures also
Bowhunter is right Ö And If your girlfriend meets you @ KBP and demands taxi rides. DUMP HER Ö me plus one went all the way to Zhytomyr for less than 150 griv. They know how to call a cheap unmarked taxi ( no recommended for rookies)..Good luck to all
I spent 5 days in Bukovel for 50 dollars and another 150 for snowboard rental and lift pass. We rented a room that included 2 meals a day for 50 dollars. Since I was working on my web sites we went to a few restaurants and did some tours. The whole trip including a full day in Kyiv was only 1700 dollars with a round trip flight. My wife went to Sumy and the oldest son went with me so that included me and the oldest son. Since he still lives in Ukraine he was able to get our train tickets and bring his best friend.
Being charged double is not a phenomenon exclusive to Ukraine. It also happens to Americans in Central and South America too.
It just makes me wonder about just how smart people are if they havent at least tried to master the basic language or learn about the place they are visiting.
Not acting like a "mark" will help to not become one.
something about Odessa. Taxi from train station to the center of the city 20-30grn maximum. If they want more - don't agree. From train station to any end of the city - 50-55grn max.
from airport to the center 50-60grn.
appartments - $10-100 per night it depends on the appartment... $100 - very rare...
if someone want to know something more just ask.
Learn essential Russian Ė Save your time and money
Most of foreigners who visit Ukraine for the first time havenít got a clue how much is everything in Ukraine, accommodation, transportation, interpreting services, meals in the restaurants.
So what happens with these foreigners? The do overpay, and not just a little. They overpay at least twice and even three times for what locals will pay much less. I know many guys who came to Nikolaev and rented apartments for a price that had never existed in our country before though itís not as expensive to compare with other countries. One of my friends payed $150 for a flat which actually cost $40. That was a bargain. When I told him the real price and showed him Russian written websites with those flats for rent advertised he decided to study at least some Russian.
The same thing is with transportation, I mean taxis. Once my friend and I decided to have some fun and I pretended a foreigner to the girl we were going to meet. She took a cab and picked us up to go to a night club. Of course I could understand everything they were talking about and I knew the real price for that taxi ride. Well, the driver asked for 200 UAH instead of 20 only because we spoke English. Of course I told the driver that I spoke Russian and he cut the price immediately. Just imagine that a phrase ďI can speak RussianĒ can save you so much.
Interpreters. Thatís another must have if you are meeting Ladies. Usually the interpreters are from the agencies and they charge twice or three times more as they have to share the money with the agency and usually with the ladies you are meeting. I noticed while interpreting for my friends that if the lady really likes you, youíll need some 60 words and elementary knowledge of Russian sentence structure to communicate without a middle man and have a lot of fun. So why spending so much.
Iíve estimated for a guy from Australia, who I met a month ago in Nikolaev, that he would have saved $800 during his 10 days stay in Ukraine if he had had some elementary knowledge of Russian.
So guys, if you decided to find a Ukrainian woman, be realistic Ė itís not a fast process or one journey business. Being a bit skilled in Russian youíll have less expenses, less problems with officials, authorities and simple locals. And of course you will understand the ladies you are going to meet much better.
Armin is correct, you can learn some basic Russian on the internet for free. at a minimum you need to be able to read a few words to know where you are. my GPS on my phone works good so I use it to find buses or metro.
Easier said than done. When I go to Kiev again, I will make arrangements from people I know there. But how about the people whose only contact are the women from the agency? Sometimes, when the negotiation for accommodations start, the translators take over as if she was the lady you are talking with. The translator is connected to the agency and..... That happened to me. Luckily, I did my homework as to how much it is supposed to cost, approximately.
The bus is also fine, but what if you don't speak Russian? How will you negotiate the fare? Luckily for me when I took the bus coming from the train station to Boryspil, I negotiated through someone who spoke English. If one must take a taxi, I suggest you keep out of site and let the lady negotiate for you. The ladies I met were good in that.
Learning Russian is difficult. I know very little in written. I have a nine hour course of "Learn Russian in Your Car." Even listening to it over and over, I would forget the words when I start over again. Because of that though, I was told by a few that I am good in Russian although I still don't understand them conversing.
If your girl is negotiating the fare on your behalf,, make it easier for her and donít speak or seem out of place. When you get into the taxi,,,, look for the driverís expression when you speak English. Itís almost like heís in pain,,, because he just realized he could have charged more!
funny story about drivers reaction :) this New Year's eve we celebrated with one american guy, we needed to meet him in the city center, but we couldn't catch a bus, so we decided to catch a taxi and since it was almost 10p.m. New Years eve we understood that we can't catch a taxi for 20grn, so i said him 30, he said 40, i said 30, he said 35 and we agreed cos we were really late. When we were inside a taxi i called that american friend to said him that we'll be late on 15min. I said this in english of course. You should see the drivers eyes :))) it was written in his eyes that he could ask 100grn and didn't :)))
Buses normally have the price posted close to the door. bus from the airport to the train is 25 griv and city bus is normally 2 or 4 griv. I had the same problem with listening and practicing when I was driving but since I live with Russian and have made quite a few trips I manage now. Learning to read is not as difficult. Since we hardly ever take a taxi my wife isn't much of a negotiator. When I was just starting out I never let the agency book my apartment, I always tried to check the local rate for interpreter when I could. When I was in Bukovel I met a translator from Kharkov who said she gets 180 griv or about 23 dollars an hour. I don't recall paying that much in Kyiv, I think 15 an hour was the internet rate in Kyiv.
Danny has a one track mind with children. Again, that is a case since now, he has a child of his own. He wanted to call the authorities on me, but it is he we should worry about.
I left the lady in Simferopol and took the train. She was quite worried that I would not find the bus to Borispyl and the bus driver would over charge me. I was lucky to have found that English speaking guy. Any price posted would have been useless since I don't know and still don't know how to read Russian.
Bowhunter, any tips on finding an apartment? I could not find one on the internet the last time I tried.
Bukovel was 50 per person for 5 days including 2 meals. I spend most of my time in Sumy but have spent quite a bit of time in Kyiv. We have not made it to Odessa yet but did visit Yalta for a few weeks. I think Lvov is next on the list if I can get a couple weeks off this summer.
ragingbull there are a few places on the links page at easyukraine but be prepared to negotiate. I have a number I call but she only speaks Russian. I do have a friend in Kiev who speaks English named Denis he has found a couple people apartments for 50 dollars a night. I call him 50 dollar Denis because everything is 50 dollars, I think his number is on the links page.
You also need to negotiate the cost of the fare BEFORE you get in the taxi,, or at least before the car starts moving. My ex got caught once not asking for the price before hand,,,, spent several minutes trying to argue the price back down,,,,, it didnít help! The price really jumps after you arrive!
ďBeing charged double is not a phenomenon exclusive to Ukraine. It also happens to Americans in Central and South America too.Ē
Rick,,,, damn your posts arrive slow!!! Have you tried putting a little butter on your fingers when youíre typing??? (smirk)
It can happen in English speaking countries too. Through out most of the 1970ís -1990ís the US dollar has been worth more than the Canadian dollar, up to 1=1.75! When the difference was only 20 to 30 cents,,, we would constantly hear; ďA dollar is a dollarď,, and they wouldnít want to give any exchange,,, you always had to exchange money before buying anything.
About 5 to 7 years ago,,, the Canadian dollar was worth more for a short time,,,,, two cents,, (.02)!
i remember a taxi driver trying to negotiate the price because he found we had luggage,, he was not happy to have to use his boot for fee, he mention his car springs a few times so i was told.
all i can remember was my russian friend calling him a f#cking bastard in english most of the way to her place next to the bus station.
he wouldnt say a word in english but i'm pretty sure he understood her feelings for trying to add to a the standard fair.
My wife got into it with a bus driver going to Sumy, he wanted to charge her more because she didn't book in advance. words were exchanged and she was not happy and took the next bus who agreed to her price.