Hi everyone, I am new to this forum, and the reason for joining to this forum is that, it is almost a month that I am in contact with an Ukrainian girl. She said that she is working for a cosmetic company. After exchanging email for almost a month and chatting (video chat) through Skype, now she is asking me to meet in "Real Life". So, I invited her to come to Dubai where we can meet. She said that she agrees but she has to get a passport first which she does not have it. She asked me to help her with the costs of passport, visa and ticket, which are: 150$ for passport, 100$ for visa and 340$ for ticket(Total=590$). Now, I don't know whether she is honest to me or she is a Scammer?
Pleas write me your experiences and help me not to be the victim of these scammers..
Her Name is Tatiana Florinkova from Rubezhoe Ukraine.
This is a classic scammer. A woman would never travel to meet an unknown man. It is prudent for a woman to have a man travel to meet her. Go to meet her if you need to know ,,, you will probably find disappointment, but you will learn a a great deal more
Some on this forum will remember the guy who posted as Ralph. He and his wife from Russia are a few weeks short of their third anniversary.
After a long correspondence, she made a 24 hour train trip (at her own expense) to come to Ukraine (a foreign country to her, after all) for their first meeting.
I made a first meeting with a woman who didn't want me to come to her home town, so we met in Moscow instead. It was absolutely not a vacation for her, neither of us was excited about Moscow, it was just a convenient place to meet. That connection didn't pan out, but I am sure as can be that she's a sincere person, and no scammer.
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I've written here a few times over the years, that I don't put faith in most of the "rules" to identify who is a scammer (excepting the Iron Law that decent women DO NOT ask for money from men they haven't met).
The problem is, I have read many statements from men in the form "if she does X, then she is a scammer." But it often happens that I can imagine real-life circumstances under which a sincere and decent woman might do X. In fact, sometimes men have posted on this forum that something a woman did or said was a "red flag," when FSU women I know personally have done or said those exact things for legitimate reasons.
But all that being said ... eliaabdul, you're better off giving up on that woman. In the big picture, I think it's a mistake to invite FSU women to Dubai. Go to their country!
If you send the money, she will go on vacation,,, with someone else. I too had a woman come to meet me in The U.S. from St. Petersburg. I did not send her money and she was not dependant on me. In this case, it is the classic scam. If I am wrong, still better that he make the trip.
Durak,, Yes,, Ukraine is a foreign country for Russians,,,, but probably less so for them, than Canada is for us Americans.
Ralph’s girl paid for her own train tickets to go from Russia to Kiev,,, a far cry from airfare for Kiev to Dubai, and accommodations in Dubai.
I think the girls are wise enough to know, that if a guy is spending the money for a vacation in some exotic locale,,, that all or most are expecting something in return. Ralph’s girl could have returned home any time she wanted if things didn’t work out between them,,,,,, this may not be the case in such places as Dubai, Maldives, Seychelles, Cuba, Mexico, etc.
I remember an old story on the forum of a girl being left behind in Thailand, simply because she didn’t “put-out”!! Some guys might be thinking,,, that they can make things happen if they get the girls alone?
huh!! Durak?? Really Do not want to abuse you but it's kinda abusive nick name in Russia)) Any way..I'm russian or ukrainian ... I came overseas about two years ago and just about one reason.. I was in love!! And about one advantage - to create real family i've never had!! I did not want to leave my country.. my family my friends my job everything i had there.. But like i said i was in love and was sure (positive !!) I was loved.. He did not have a lot of money and i new it from the beginning!! Poor me ((( I'm not going to go on.. The biggest issue with you gys ..you do not realize how much it's going to take to create a family with someone who does not speak english, does not know your culture .. First time everything will be going great and wonderful (about 3 moths// or a bit longer) Then you are going to be annoyed and nervous because of her "charming english accent" ,,,being her stupid about simple things and traditions..etc..Plus you will be going to pay money for her education ..medical.. clothe..food ..for everything!! Really you need all this crab?? Why just not to find someone equal to you??? Trust me you are going to be fed up pretty soon with her beauty and love..and sooner or later you would like to have just someone to talk to and being able to know you are understood correct !!All this crab is going to take a lot of money and time ! Are you sure you are ready and what for?? Just be looking for someone in your country)) The only way you are not going to loose a lot of money and time! I fed up with "better life" and going to go home!! No way i would make another mistake trying to create Family with someone who does not give a shit about my feeling , my traditions, my values !!
Classic scam??? Really??? Read again, the OP ASKED her to visit him, not that she asked to visit him!!!
Girl wanted a real life meeting, its up to OP to visit her if he so chooses to do so and get his lazy ass off on to a plane.....
No Beemer,,, she asked him to meet her! He chose the location.
“After exchanging email for almost a month and chatting (video chat) through Skype, now she is asking me to meet in "Real Life". So, I invited her to come to Dubai where we can meet.”
I don’t know if Dubai is home for the “OP” or a neutral location.
It is the “classic scam” , asking for money after only a month or less correspondence. Most women have their passports,,,, and do women from Ukraine need a visa for Dubai??? I don’t think so,,, but I’m not sure.
She will most likely keep the $250 and won’t even use the ticket,,,, or might go with someone else.
This is why I always say: Don’t go on a vacation for the first meeting,,, meet her in her hometown and if things work out or seem okay,,, then go on vacation.
I'll tell why it is a scam. It is nearly impossible to get a woman's direct contact information without paying some form of tribute to the agency she is listed with and that is not dishonest, it is business. If the agency gives up the information to allow you to send money to a woman,,,, the agency is out,,, period. If you are writing to a woman with an email, it is a fake email. It does not mean that the woman is a fake or even that you will never meet her,,, you will just have to pay in some way.....(taxi, apartment, or an introduction fee and that is "fair"
RT,, they were chatting on Skype, so the agency fee,, if any,, has already been paid.
I would like to hear her voice, when he tells her that he has changed his mind and now wants to meet her in Ukraine?
I understand they talk on skype, but if the agency is not in control then it is one more reason to think she is a scammer. The agencies will keep control as long as they can. That is why you need to go yourself. It is possible that the woman is poting on a site without an agency as the case with the Russian woman that met me. She probably made what would be a good salary even in the U.S. This is not the norm, especially in Ukraine
RT,,, I know what you mean about the women being out from the control of an agency. They are able to do their own scams. Some are bold and impatient and go for the kill in just a few letters, while others will take the time, and get to know their prospective pigeons.
The first “foreign” dating site I joined was Russian Euro,,, WOW,,, was it an education!!! I didn’t know so many women could love me in such a short time?! I had one that took the time to say all the right things for several months and I asked her if she wanted to visit me?? In 1 or 2 minutes, I had a ¾ page reply from her with all of the details,,,, passport, visa, personal travel money, airfare, etc!! Whoa!!! If she had sent that info over a period of weeks,,, I just might have fell for it.
None of them got any money from me,,, and just wasted a lot of my time.
Sorry guys...where is the SCAM???
Because the girl wants a real life meeting??? From what I have gathered through the years, less than 10% of guys writing visit the girl, it may even be closer to 5%. Maybe this girl knows that guys don't meet, maybe she's experienced this?
I don't know the specifics here but doesn't hurt to visit the girl, in fact maybe OP should have several girls to visit......or maybe he should just crawl back into his shell....