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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > The Great Famine, 1921 A must see program Author Post lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/12/2013 4:04:23 AM   http://video.pbs.org/video/1853678422 Program: American Experience Episode: The Great Famine The little-known story of the American effort to relieve starvation in the new Soviet Russia in 1921, The Great Famine is a documentary about the worst natural disaster in Europe since the Black Plague in the Middle Ages. Half a world away, Americans responded with a massive two-year relief campaign, championed by Herbert Hoover, director of the American Relief Administration known as the ARA. Your purchase helps support PBS and the programs you love dcv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/12/2013 9:14:10 AM   The failed Socialist experiment of 1930 to 1933 in which the Russians confiscated all of the grain harvest from Ukraine farmers left 4 million Ukranians dead. Most starved to death a few were even forced into caniballism. That is the reality of state run Socialism. Maybe Michael Moore could learn something from this as he is a big fan of Socialism. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/12/2013 12:08:32 PM   dcv,,, were the Ukrainians allowed to own guns at the time??? Durak,,, any thoughts? dcv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/12/2013 12:23:17 PM   Well the workers in Ukraine in 1930 were in the same position as the native cambodians were in 1975- they had no guns. Pol Pot (another Socialist ) had the guns and murdered over 1 million people through forced slave labor and torture. As Mao Tse Tung (another Socialist ) said - "real power comes through the barrel of a gun" lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/12/2013 12:28:08 PM   And when you don't have any guns, you don't have any power! The people that are for taking guns away think they are helping us??? kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/12/2013 8:17:58 PM   this period was a semi part of the Russian revolution, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Civil_War i'm sure a lot of Ukrainians were anti-bolshevik and needed to be taught a lesson. there was a lot of pay backs and man hunts for whom who fort on the white side, there would have been a lot more to this then what meets the eye, i suspect. only a year previously of your date Lonely American British Aussie soldiers were pulled out of Russia in this region. they were there to support the whites(anti-Bolsheviks) and supposedly help the civilians like a UN style force based around some of the transport systems. much of the campaign from what i have read turned ugly with many atrocities done by these outside forces which didnt help their campaign in been positive or the harts and mind. some of these forces were secretly taken from the western front in France some years before. the British were also not to happy to loose the Russia front at that time with Russia signing a peace treaty with Germany which put more pressure of the western front in France. many Russian Ukrainian people simply became very anti to this force and in a sense became Red. it seems also a lot of family's didnt even know they had relatives (soldiers) fighting in Russia at that time. in Kharkov and Lugansk one can see the tanks taken into Russia-Ukraine from this outside force,,,, i'm not sure if these tanks are British or American but in the photos here they are known as British http://www.pbase.com/highspeeddreams/lugansk. i believe one of them in Lugansk has been given a full make over now by the museum,,, this was when i came interested in this when i saw British tanks in Lugansk?? anyhow it was a disaster for these forces and for the people of Ukraine and Russia, so its possible paybacks are a bitch. my girls family's past was involved with the white army, (the revolution) her grandfather fled east at this period to escaping payback, he was caught for a period of time, put into their infamous work camps in Siberia, then escaped again to live in secret in the very far east for most of his and thankfuly their lives. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/12/2013 11:32:05 PM   Send: 12.05.2013 20:03:51 Report to Moderator “glad i didnt look at his garbage link” A very serious and significant time in Russian/Ukrainian history, and the Dunt calls it garbage! Clearly,,, anything of importance is beyond the Dunt and his last remaining brain cell. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2013 12:14:01 AM   Kiwi,,, I learned something today,,, I didn’t know the west had troops in Russia during the early 1900’s. It’s regrettable about the atrocities that took place,,, the troops most likely didn’t want to be there. Just a few km from me is the only WW-II Russian tank in the US. Something that I told the KGB tour guide in Moscow 1998. He was aware of it, and asked me what model the tank was,,,, I just said: BIG!! kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2013 2:50:06 AM   Lonely,, yeah i was a little shocked myself learning about our play in russia. i read a book many years before about it, i thought it was possibly ficton until i saw those tanks in Lugansk which got me thinking and a did a little investigating. then on my next trip i saw one in Kharkov again at their museum. atrocities is war, people forget this or pretend otherwise,, that is war. thats why it should be the last option, always. no nation is clean of this stuff,,, none. do you have any info of that tank, you have me intrigued?? lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2013 10:52:25 PM   Kiwi,,, those tanks in Lugansk,,, wouldn’t they be from WW-II?? I don’t have much info on that Russian tank,,, other than it was the famous one. A man in the area by the name “Arnie Tanck” wanted to create a WW-II museum with American, German, and Russian tanks, and arranged to receive a tank through Gorbachev. He started building the museum himself,,, but then a few people fought him over it, saying a war museum wasn’t right for this area. After sitting a while the tanks went on display in Milwaukee for a few years then returned home. Arnie died some years back,,, and my cousin who’s barn the Russian tank is in has died too, but his brother now owns what’s left of the farm. I don’t know what’s become of the other tanks,,, but the Russian tank is just a few kms from home. kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2013 1:10:19 AM   hey cheers for that "great info",,, i guess some people like to hide behind the nicey" things of life and forget humans do have a dark side and it should be seen. no the tanks are ww1, no ww11 tanks had tracks that went as high as the turret in a sense. i heard these tanks were used or placed in a stationary position for battle, leading up to the battle of kursk in ww11,,, i'm not sure how practical that would have been when you look at them?? but russia was really chewing at the bit at that stage of the war and is where hostility's came about against briton and america for not making or opening another front to ease russian pressure. heres another link to lugansk ww1 tanks but page in russian. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:LG_British_tank_WWI_1.jpg it reads... Russian: British Tank Mark V, Issue 1919, captured by the soldiers of the 51st Infantry Division of the Red Army at the White Army under Kakhovka October 14, 1920. Lugansk. English: Mark V male tank at Lugansk memorial, Ukraine Author: Alexandr Chupryna Date: 06/12/2005 history is crazy, but most interesting. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/15/2013 1:34:03 AM   Kiwi,, yeah,,, those tanks in the photos are WW-I tanks for sure. They are more track than tank!! The reason why I said tanks in Lugansk might be WW-II, is from the major battles during WW-II. The battle for Stalingrad for one. It should have passed right through Lugansk. I wish they had an atlas/timeline of WW battles. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > The Great Famine, 1921 A must see program
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