Ok, looks like I will go to Kiev in November or December. It will be cold but do buses and trains shut down. Is bus travel too dangerous at that time? I will buy some cold weather gear and just sit in the bars where the heater or open fire is keeping us warm. Do girls still go on dates in November or December or is it too cold for them? :-)
While it starts to get cold in November there isnt much snowfall so buses will be normal. Trains go all the time except
for a few days during the huge snow storm. sometimes the train can get a bit chilly if its really cold out.
while summer is prime dating season its still pretty easy to get a date in early winter. Obviously need to focus on indoor activities.
In Kyiv we often go to Karavan which is a big mall with ice skating rink, bowling ally, cinema and arcade as well as places to eat.
Kyiv also has a huge nightlife with many nightclubs, bars and other entertainment venues.
I can agree with Tom on his advice above. for 50/mo you have access to many ladies on the website with no pay per letter. there are some
good ones to be found here.
Seriously? You're recommending fiance.com? I didn't know people in this forum actually used this site. I just thought this is the only FSU dating forum around. Really, decent girls. I did not have luck on Elenas models and that was monthly fee based, not per per letter. But the pay per letter sites are full of scammers so I guess that's why I got a lot of responses. Ok might give this site a shot.
yes i agree with tom as well, better to controlling your own destiny.
playing the odds thing is what its about.
just think of the people you meet over a life time, not that many are true matches for you.
it dosent matter where you search, home or abroad you are really after a particular girl to suit your character and its a numbers game.
personally i dont think i would trust them banks with to much cash, they do have a reputation of been a little ugly with no comebacks if things get tough.
theres actually some interesting info on google about this.
they dont have the same security's as your Aussie banks period.
that high interest rate shows another angle of their banking system that screws its local people with high mortgage and loan rates that you wouldnt dream of touching.
the place is about feeding the rich off others backs.
it seems they are trying to get rich ukraines to invest back into their own banking system, which most dont (it seems) they use off shore accounts.
there schools seem fine to me, but i think its more of their own mind set in wanting to be educated is where its works for them.
schooling is taken a lot more seriously by there parents and children i feel.
a lot more tutoring goes on to give many a edge, the kids seem to enjoy it.
I tried Elenas Models and no replies, like I expected. I tried Fiance.com and I am getting some replies from very nice ladies. But they are "with an agency". They are all 19-26 years old and I can't shake the feeling that the girls with agencies are professional daters, or people from the agency writing emails pretending to be the girl. Does that go on on this site? Also, some of the young ones kind of look like prostitutes. I know I'm only 29 years old but I really can't be bothered dating a girl just for sex in exchange for presents. I need to find a real girl. Maybe I am 10 years too young for this game?
If you would like I can give you a contact that I know very well. She lives in Zaporozhye Ukraine and is in the dating biz. She is very reasonable and very help. I have been doing this a while (since Nov.2011) and been on and off fiance.com a couple times. I have also been to Ukraine twice for a couple weeks and did the nightlife scene. Ukrainians enjoy meeting Americans and really enjoy talking to them. The ladies are very nice and as long as you are nice and respectful they will be more than willing to speak with you. My friend/contact can introduce you to real, sincere ladies who are serious. Feel free to privately email me at "firstname.lastname@example.org" and I will send you her contact info.
2 ladies from Nikolaev just sent me near identical letters within 1 minute of each-other. Both were with an agency.
1st Letter) Irina, 27...
I recently came to this site .... I really want to meet a kind and sympathetic person .... I want to melt my heart with love ... your love from me ....
I want to break his loneliness and to find a good man who, like me, want to share with me the joy of living together and happy family.
I'm so, I am. In man, the main thing - identity. Everyone should be an individual, and he is looking for something in life.
I always want something more than words, and I aspire to it. I can spend an evening having fun with friends, and I can spend the evening with a book in his hands, but also to do with ease and joy. In the moments when you want to be alone for a walk along the old streets of the city ... The person should be beautiful internally, and then it becomes more beautiful in appearance, with inner beauty is nothing.
What I expect from people? Challenge. Most likely, the comfort, convenience and durability. When and whatever I was engaged, together or separately, brings peace and quiet satisfaction that he is, he was there. I like to live in comfort, love, and know how to cook, but never make the cult of the food, cleaning or shopping. Being himself in the eyes of men a difficult task. The man wants to see his ideal. But what is ideal, and as he sees it, nobody can explain. The best way, so you feel like you are. To understand this is not true. Need to complement each other. Happy couples seek mutual understanding and partnership: they do not try to determine who is right or wrong. They are willing to make compromises for the sake of peace and tranquility. Their arguments will never go out of total control and not abused. Everyone knows how to bring another white-hot, but never uses it illegal hold. The main thing in relations between the normal communication. To do this, there are three factors: the ability to listen to others, directly in the debate and the lack of negative consequences in case of disagreement. They should not inhibit each other, and not by force, not specified - they have to negotiate because they know how to listen to each other.
I'm not looking for a prince on a white horse, but, apparently, reliability, understanding, respect and honesty in the man every woman wants to find.
If you like what I told you, and you want to know me better just email me and maybe I'd be the one you are looking for so long.
I'll wait with impatience of your letter.
Sincerely, Irina .. ..
2nd Letter) Victoriya, 20
I want to break his loneliness and to find a good man, who, like me, want to share with me the joy of living together and happy family.
I'm so, I am. In man, the main thing - identity. Everyone should be an individual and he is seeking something in life.
I always want something more than words, and I aspire to it. I can spend the evening having fun with friends, and I can spend the evening with a book in his hands, but both do with ease and joy. In the moments when you want to be alone, I sit in the car and food. Riding soothes, makes whipping up bad thoughts. The person should be beautiful internally and then it becomes more beautiful in appearance, with no inner beauty looks nothing.
What I expect from men? Complex issue. Most probably, comfort, warmth and durability. When and whatever I was engaged, together or separately, brings peace and quiet satisfaction that he is, he was there. I like to live in comfort, love, and know how to cook, but never make the cult of the food, cleaning or shopping. Being myself in the eyes of men a difficult task. A man wants us to see his ideal. But what is ideal, and how he sees it, nobody can explain. The best way out, so you perceive the way you are. For understanding not have to be like. Need to complement each other. Happy couples seek mutual understanding and partnership: they do not try to determine who is right or wrong. They are willing to compromise for the sake of peace and tranquility. Their arguments will never go out of total control and did not give rise to abuse. Everyone knows how to bring another white-hot, but never uses this illegal hold. The main thing in relations between the normal communication. For this purpose there are three factors: the ability to listen to the other, correct at the time of disputes and the lack of negative consequences in case of disagreement. They should not inhibit each other, not force, do not specify - they have to negotiate, because they know how to listen to each other.
I'm not looking for a prince on a white horse, but, probably, reliability, understanding, respect and decency in a man wants every woman to find.
If you like what I told you, and you want to know me better, just write me and maybe I would be the one you are looking for so long.
I will wait with impatience for your letter.
BOTH girls were VERIFIED by Fiance.com! So the agencies do send out letters on hehalf of girls. What a waste of time!
Fiance.com update. Some very nice girls contacting me but they are all with agencies and located in Nikolaev. They also ignore my request to chat in private using email or Skype. Some want to use video chat on Fiance.com which costs me money. So, do they get paid to use the video chat with me? Will this message be approved by the moderators?!
Well, well WTF, I am 10 years older than you, and I consider myself too young for FSU women and thier games too. Needless to say, those FSU women under 26 and without children are not that seriously looking abroad (my opinion and what I read here too) I had tried 3 sites, including this, for the last 10 months. My style is different than Tom, since I have spent more time replying to hundreds of letters that met my requirements than to sending letters. None turn out to be real except for 3 , 1 of them I met at KPB. Most of them sent me Skype # but have excuses for no Face-Time(hummm..red flag!!!) and when they find out I was at Ukraine…the chatting stops...I wonder why???!!!
So, I am not looking forward to be Dazed and Confused, to be a Boy Toy nor to be fooled by a Krasiva Debushka… And yes is time to give up on searching for a bride on those FSU countries and seek here in the UK or nearby; even thought, I hope travel to Russia and Belarus for site seeing and more…
……“also ignore my request to chat in private using email or Skype. Some want to use video chat on Fiance.com which costs me money. So, do they get paid to use the video chat with me? “ You are not the only one with this issue!.... Some can be found on VK or FB but will not video chat….humm , scammer or she has, a lover…
If these women are looking for a husband abroad for the lack of suitors available in their country, why are we paying? Should it be the other way around?
Here is how UA or FSU people meet up. Maybe Rick, can hind more insight on this. Or gademoman may hook you up with a contact. You will need, a local phone #, so get a SIM card or a cheap European cellphone upon arrival.
1. Learn the language and culture enough to order and ask directions.
2. Forget hotels or apartments, book a Sanatory room, min stay is 2 weeks/max 4 weeks.
3. Hit the disco, bars, restaurants, clubs, coffee shops, the open markets, Malls, volunteer if possible.
Do not hesitate nor act like magnate, if you think with the big head, make VK or Facebook first. Once you pick one, that’s it game over. Good Luck, gentlemen’s.
"If these women are looking for a husband abroad for the lack of suitors available in their country, why are we paying? Should it be the other way around?"
Exactly. They seem keen to send me a message on the site and always invite me to video chat which costs me credits (money = $1 per minute!). They must surely be getting paid. They are using their own laptop at home, so it isn't because they don't have a laptop or internet connection at home. They are up to something. They are all from Nikolaev or Simferopol and all with an agency. Seriously suspicious.
There are thousands of girls, it is one fee to join and then all contacts, letters, video, everything is free after that.
Of course because it is free you will receive the mandatory scam letters. You will very quickly learn to recognise them. So as long as you can screen the letters you receive and follow the simple anti-scam rules that surely you are aware of by now you will do fine.
I am sure there are many here that will fill you in on how to recognise a scam letter.
Put simply I found it the most cost effective way to meet the woman of your dreams.
But you have to do the work.
For the few people wondering about me and my adventures...
Met my girl on Russian Cupid in February 2012. Met first time in July 2013 in Odessa for 2 weeks, met second time in August 2012 in Odessa for 2 weeks, met third time in October 2012 in Odessa and Truskavets for 4 weeks. She came to me here in Sydney in February 2013 for 3 months after we went to Turkey and Dubai together on the way here.
Visa documents have been completed and just been delivered to Australian embassy in Moscow.
Planning now next visit in September to Odessa/Europe.
After that she will come to me once fiance visa is approved, probably around early next year...
Been to Odessa Ukraine a few times now and can now speak with a little more certainty about the whole thing... Never once was I scammed, taken for a ride, paid more for a meal than a local, felt threatened or insecure, paid more for accomodation that I agreed to or in any other way felt taken advantage of.
OF course my girl was with me at all times and I am sure that helped but there were also plenty of times when I was by myself and felt great about it.
Bottom line...If you get scammed its on YOU... not them.. for them it is their job to scam you... For you it is your job to make sure you don't get scammed.
There are more (much much more) good girls looking for you than there is scammers... BUT you have to do the work and find them.
Agencies are by default scam houses... They only make money from selling you the dream and keeping you on the hook... Think about it. If you met the first girl you contacted and lived happily ever after how on earth would they survive...
Free and unlimited contacts for one fee sites is the only way to go (IMHO)
Wtf, why would you do anything other than use the best device, right here art fiance.com? All you need to do is to get an account here, write Peters to every woman you are attracted to. It only takes a few Peters to find who might work out, then go and meet them for free? I have an insanely wonderful Ukrainian fiancee I meet right here. She is as honest as a person can be, way younger, smart, caring... More than i could ever ask for. She's ready to sign a prenup which will never be used s she is the perfect woman
"2. Forget hotels or apartments, book a Sanatory room, min stay is 2 weeks/max 4 weeks."
I did this in Cherkasy earlier this year when I did a charity project with a friend of mine.
great room, great price and 3 squares a day if you want it. Met the medical director of the facility.
We are going fishing together in a few weeks on his boat to discus setting up a business for him.
Plenty of scammers on Russian Cupid. But I think 1 or 2 nice girls are on there. I have quit Elenas Models and Fiance. I think I will abandon Ukraine and focus on Russia. The girls seem less old fashioned, which I prefer.
Wtf, sorry to be the bearer of bad news.. There are no sites filed with single 18 year old fsu women with put kids that are very serious. They just aren't that serious at that age. Hers a statistic for you. At age 27 an fsu woman who is single has less than a 1% chance of ever getting married in her own country. If she has a child the chances drop to less than 0.1%. Now with a 20 yo woman every foreign guy is hitting on her, every local guy is too. She's got millions of options. Why lane her country? Actually at 18 to 25 there are great women in every country on earth so the real question is why would you even look in the fsu for what is right next door? Day dating is best left to the age range of 26 + year old women. I've got a good friend, a woman from Russia. She moved here at 19, 9 years ago with her husband. He meet her in the navy. She is the woman who started me on the whole fsu thing. I asked her what age range women i should be looking for with her experience in both cultures. I'm 54. She told me no younger than 26. Her insight has been brilliant in this whole adventure. You can bet the first thing I do when my fiancée gets here will be to introduce them and encourage them becoming best friends. I'm sure any negative motivations will be really apparent to her and I will know, but you know what? After just short of three years of nearly daily letters and Skype, and a total so far of 5 months living together (in total), she has not a negative thing in her body. I've tested her 100 times and she has always passed brilliantly. The 3 times I thought i was being scammed by her I let it run figuring its a cheap lesson and each time I was wrong about her. There are absolute angels available in Ukraine, you just need the time to sorry thru all the other ones to find them.