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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > To the new and the older gents here. Author Post Tom Shea Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/19/2013 7:03:12 AM   Look, I see people pointing fingers whining that all Ukraine women are scammers..... Get a grip. YEs, there are some scammers. BFD. They are easy to spot after just a short time. They are here to make money so make them wait 6 months before you go. See if they are writing you nearly each day. Don't listen to these people who say they are all scammers, all this or all that... Ukraine is a nation full of all kinds of people. Also don't believe these people who tell you that if you are middle age, are a little over weight, what ever that you cant find a much younger, stunningly beautiful woman here with a heart of gold... You can. I did. You were already fortunate enough to come to fiancé.com. Join! It is the cheapest way you will find to correspond with a ton of beautiful sincere women. The obvious: Look 19 year old girls are not that sincere. If you are sincere in your looking, the women 30 - 35 up are the ones that are treasures. They truly want a family life of their own. You don't need a ton of money. THis is how you do it. Join here. Look in one Oblast but as many cities as you wish. Get correspondence going with 20 women. See who writes. See who talks of their private life. See who remembers things you tell them that you don't even remember you told them. See who asks you how your ill mom is doing... Theres a million ways to tell. Also ONLY DATE WOMEN WHO SPEAK PASSABLE ENGLISH. This shows commitment to their goal. Im not talking fluent here, just passable, perhaps like a 4 year old child. When you have identified 5 of them and have several hundred letters to each of them in 6 months, then go. Tell them you will only be in their cities a few days each so you can have plans to visit all 5 of them. It took me 4 trips to get it right and I arranged the order of my visits from the one who seemed most sincere all the way to the least. I had 18 days and planned to meet 7 women on the 4th trip of 18 days. I started with the most sincere and by the 3rd day had contacted all the others, whished them the best of futures and explained to them that I had found my other half. She is 20 years younger than me and I asked her "isn't the age difference a little much?" Her answer" IT seems normal to me. I was 19 when I got married and he was 41" I never deceived any of them and they knew I was speaking with other women. My fiancé arrives here this fall and I have already explained to her that we will have a prenup. If she leaves she gets 1/2 of our joint bank account, and nothing more. It took her about 1 second to agree to this. She is not a scammer. She has a heart of gold. She is simply the best. Also look why you are doing this. Are you just looking for beautiful woman to have sex with? Be honest... you can find that in Ukraine too. When I began this I asked what I wanted and in the words Ukrainians use I wanted to "Find the woman with the most beautiful inside world" I found her, and I found her here at fiancé.com. I do read the posts here and see some men feel used and bitter. I understand some were cheated. I was ripped off a little bit too. All I can tell you is don't worry about meeting in agencies! Don't use a translator, falling in love feels the same here in the US as it does in Ukraine. Watch her smile. pay attention to her concern for you. See how much she remembers what you told her in the past... It is simple to do, but it is not always easy and it can not be rushed. DO your homework first, before you go. I wrote over 2200 women in 3 years a letter takes 10 minutes and you are looking for the rest of your life (Im assuming). OF those 2200 I wrote a second letter to maybe 300 of them. A third to maybe 100 of them. The woman I ended up being engaged to, we wrote each other 499 times in 6 months. The cost? What ever a 6 month membership was here then we went to personal e mails and in 18 months we sent each other way over 1000 more letters. We speak on SKYPE 3 times per week. HEr family is semi affluent for Ukrainian standards. She is the most perfect woman on earth, so all you guys still looking don't worry there's still #2 and #3,......1,000,000 and my bet is those women all live in Eastern Europe. Batman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/21/2013 11:08:31 AM   Nice post Tom with plenty of common sense; something that seems all too lacking in many things these days. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/23/2013 3:21:33 AM   Tom,,, is it really as easy as you say?? Don’t forget that we shared some dating stories. There are guys who have been doing this for over 10 years,,, and are on their 20 to 30+ trips, and are no closer than they were on day one. Your success is most likely luck or a fluke. The websites and agencies don’t even want to marry off their money makers,,,,,, and very often get angry with the girls that do! You are having your own problems with A-web over this. I agree that this site avoids some of the problems that PPL sites have,,,, but the main goal of every agency is to get the men to their city. And can we really be sure who sends the letters at the agency? I’m convinced that someone at the agency kept writing letters to me following a breakup. The girl didn’t have a computer,,,, so I couldn’t verify her through skype or even reg email. The age difference between my last two girls was 22 and 18. I didn’t look for models, just pleasant looking and acting women. A strong emphasis on easy going, sincere and honest! And do you remember the overwhelming deceit of the girl at the BBQ??? I did my homework,,, I spent many hours searching online for anything,,, went through hundreds of profiles and hundreds of letters for every one woman I went to meet,,,, and still found such a horrible person. To be fair to this website,,,, all of my efforts during the last two years of my search,,, were in just one city and one agency. Also,,, further research uncovered, that 3 of the 4 women,,, were friends with the interpreter!! Chair fillers and time wasters on speed-dial!! Never a good thing! “Also don't believe these people who tell you that if you are middle age, are a little over weight, what ever that you cant find a much younger, stunningly beautiful woman here with a heart of gold... You can. I did. “ It’s usually the locals who do that!! They have never met you or even looked at a photo,,, but they are so sure that you are:,,,,, fat, bald, freaky, scammed, desperate, ugly and a whole bunch of other stuff. I think the reason why they do that,,, is to belittle and degrade a person, to the point where they get you to believe, that you have no chance without their help! Their help for a fee of course!! Rick4girl Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/24/2013 11:27:18 AM   spreading gloom and despair again I see.... lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/24/2013 12:18:18 PM   The bitter truth is better than a sweet lie! Is that why so many men call Ukraine a "Candy Store"??? Rick4girl Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/25/2013 10:31:23 PM   why bother with a candy store? that guy in the van said he is giving it away for free. just have to go inside;) lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/25/2013 11:25:01 PM   I thought you were into getting 15 year old “Kitties” drunk,,,, I didn’t know you did guys in vans too?! You’re a regular Euro-Guy!! Tom Shea Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/31/2013 6:08:14 AM   Lonely you are right. I was ripped off by the interpreter at the bbq. You know what though? I still had one of the best evenings of my life that night. Also lets look at that night. I broke one of my rules. We needed a translator. I believe the woman was honestly available but was looking for someone to make it rain. That's not me. I'm laid back and low key. Also yes, I do believe i was lucky. I had looked at my fiancees profile for 3 months. I would come home, stare at her profile then laugh about my stupidity even considering writing a woman who looked that good and was that young. Why waste my time? One time i did and found the most amazing person I've ever met. Also I was using another per letter service back then rather than just here. A far as money makers you are right, my fiancee actually went to the police and complained before they removed her profile. A certain dating / scam per letter service with tv ads still had her profile on it. I've notified them of this but they still have her a "confirmed" despite her visa being approved just yesterday. They are truly scammers. Scorpio1951 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/2/2013 2:55:06 PM   Lonely Ranger 1701 is right, as usual. I have just returned from Ukraine where the woman that I met seemed radically different than the one I wrote to for six months. I had planned to be there with her for 10 days. As soon as I arrived, I learned that she could not speak English, even though she rated her English on this site as a "6." She had told me that she was going to be working, and that was fine with me, I could see her after work. She did find a very nice flat for me for 400.00. Well, when I arrived, she told me that she would not working, would stay in the flat with me, sleeping on the sofa in the living room. I agreed, but was caught off guard by this. Then, two days later, one of her girlfriends came over, and she spoke very good English. Our interpreter had arrived!The interpreter moved in with us; she slept on the sofa in the living room. I slept in the same large bed with the woman I went to see, but there was no connection. All she wanted from me was money everyday for all sorts of fictitious reasons. She asked me for a webcamera, yet I noticed that her new computer had a built-in camera. After I been there four days, with the use of her translator, SHE proposed marriage to ME! I politely declined. Then, in the same conversation, she told me she wanted to buy a flat in the city and asked me for thousands of dollars! I again politely declined. The next morning, I packed my things, hailed a taxi,and left this woman in the dust. She had seemed to good as a person in her letters, but in person, she was just looking for money and a way to leave Ukraine. I said Lonely Right was right. I have had a number of experiences of a negative nature in the FSU; really, there is an element of luck in all this. Every woman I have visited looked good up front, and turned out to be unacceptable. I'm being kind when I say "unacceptable." Scorpio1951 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/2/2013 2:55:54 PM   Lonely Ranger 1701 is right, as usual. I have just returned from Ukraine where the woman that I met seemed radically different than the one I wrote to for six months. I had planned to be there with her for 10 days. As soon as I arrived, I learned that she could not speak English, even though she rated her English on this site as a "6." She had told me that she was going to be working, and that was fine with me, I could see her after work. She did find a very nice flat for me for 400.00. Well, when I arrived, she told me that she would not working, would stay in the flat with me, sleeping on the sofa in the living room. I agreed, but was caught off guard by this. Then, two days later, one of her girlfriends came over, and she spoke very good English. Our interpreter had arrived!The interpreter moved in with us; she slept on the sofa in the living room. I slept in the same large bed with the woman I went to see, but there was no connection. All she wanted from me was money everyday for all sorts of fictitious reasons. She asked me for a webcamera, yet I noticed that her new computer had a built-in camera. After I been there four days, with the use of her translator, SHE proposed marriage to ME! I politely declined. Then, in the same conversation, she told me she wanted to buy a flat in the city and asked me for thousands of dollars! I again politely declined. The next morning, I packed my things, hailed a taxi,and left this woman in the dust. She had seemed to good as a person in her letters, but in person, she was just looking for money and a way to leave Ukraine. I said Lonely Right was right. I have had a number of experiences of a negative nature in the FSU; really, there is an element of luck in all this. Every woman I have visited looked good up front, and turned out to be unacceptable. I'm being kind when I say "unacceptable." lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/3/2013 1:28:09 AM   Tom,,, I meant the photo of my girl and I at the BBQ. I think we both went to the same place on the edge of town,, the little cabins or shacks in the fenced in area. I also think we had the same interp,,,, I don’t recall being ripped off, but does it matter if it was an expensive lie or a cheap one? I know there is always a chance to find the right person,,,, but I could have buried gold in my backyard too and I won’t be starting to dig it up anytime soon. A little over a month ago, someone came to the forum asking about a girl from Nikolaev,,,, Tanya K. I recognized the name and knew her to be the same girl as Inga C. Not long after, several other guys came forward with stories about her. I started to do a little new research on her,, to see if she was on several sites. While doing so,, I found someone I really liked,,,, I kept her name and details, then went on to find that Tanya K. or Inga C on a scammer watch list. Guess who I found on page one,,,, that girl I really liked!! Every time I think about starting my search again,,, I run into a dead end. Tom Shea Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/3/2013 11:08:12 PM   Ranger don't give up. Its a numbers thing! Get a membership here at fiance and write letters to 300 women. Some you won't get back, some will be obvious scammers. Keep writing, me and my fiancée wrote each other nearly 500 times in 6 months. It was clear before i ever left that we would be a couple. E just clicked on every single thing. Literally write 1000 women. You will find a good one. The key is when they ask you questions about things you said 2 months ago that you don't even recall. On another note i spoke with my fiancée today. She was crying. She just sold her Cindi that she had lived in for nearly 20 years. Packed everything. Moved to her parents till winter when she will be coming here. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/4/2013 1:23:31 AM   Thanks for the acknowledgment Scorpio. It’s unfortunate that my being correct also means your trip was not successful. Most of the women I’ve met weren’t what they were supposed to be either. The ones that were supposed to speak English,,,, didn’t,,,, the ones that claimed they couldn’t speak English,,, did?! It all depends on the angle they were pulling. What many guys don’t realize, is the extent of which many of these women are willing to go to sell a lie. She wrote to you for 6 months, so she could rent an apartment and receive gifts,,, and perhaps put you on the reverse payroll of fiancé! This sounds absurd to people from the west,,,, but it’s everyday life in the east. With most of us being older,,, we are perhaps more mild or mellow,,, and less likely to get revenge. That makes us an easy or “soft” target,,, and that makes them bold! durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/4/2013 5:13:06 AM   Scorpio, what a miserable adventure. I feel sad each time I read a story like this. I hope we're learning, as we continue down the road... GeminiDreams Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/4/2013 7:30:27 AM   In 4 days its my 5th wedding anniversary. Just bought my wife a car after she got her Australian drivers licence. We dated over 3 years before getting married. Does anyone truly expect to find the magic perfect partner spending 10 days over there? One thing I do agree with Tom is the speak passable English criteria. I dont think marriage sites or agencies are the best place to find a match, these sites attract the mercenary types. Rick4girl Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/4/2013 10:03:10 AM   sorry to hear you had a bad experience scorpio. Ive said it often enough now that you cant go by a profile or a bunch of letters in order to judge what a girl will be like when you finally meet. The girl is going to decide if she likes you in the first 30 seconds of the meeting. Ok, so she didnt speak good english but that didnt have to stop you from communicating before a translator arrived. Do you guys not bring a laptop or tablet or even a phone with internet ability? I know a guy who is in Kyiv who didnt know hardly any Russian and ended up meeting the girl he went to see (he was volunteer 2 weeks for my charity) and communicated with her with his iphone 4s when there was no interpreter. He ended up staying in Kyiv for 3 months now, got a job and a apartment and they are doing very good so far and he IS NOT RICH. Its the luck of the draw. You cannot expect to find love in 10 days or with the first (or second, 3rd...)girl you meet. It does happen from time to time but that is rare. Scorpio1951 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/4/2013 1:40:27 PM   Lonely Ranger and Durak, Thanks for your replies and good words. I forgot to mention one other thing about my meeting this woman; As I was leaving on Friday morning she asked for more money--this time she claimed through her live-in interpreter that the landlord would want money for electricity, gas, and water. I told her to pay it herself. I also told her that I did not contract with this landlord and had no responsibility for any charges. I also said that I have rented flats in Ukraine and Russia and never paid any additional charge for utilities. This just seemed like another lie to me. Now, there's an anecdote to the story. This delightful woman is now to be found on www.khersongirls.com She had no listing on there before I left for Ukraine to meet her. Immediately after our meeting, she went and had some glamour photos taken of herself that were shamelessly flattering. I wrote to this other site and detailed my experience with her. In spite of my being a member of that site she is now listed as an "Office Pick," you know, one of the really fine ladies on the site. I was told in response to my warning letter that they would "watch her." But it was interesting how the site's response to me just glossed over and explained away her behavior with me. One of the comments to me was 'she just wasn't interested' in me. Wasn't interested?? She asked ME to MARRY her!:) What's that expression from the Old Testament? 'Who can find a virtuous woman, for her price is far above rubies.' bowhunter Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/4/2013 4:45:39 PM   agency or no agency its the same all over the world, some are scammers or pro daters some are genuine. even the ones who are looking will not decline the attention of a man who will take them out for a few days or weeks. I met quite a few before I met my wife. durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/4/2013 11:22:38 PM   Proverbs 31 Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies. The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil. She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life. She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands. She is like the merchants' ships; she bringeth her food from afar. She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens. She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard. She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms. She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night. She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff. She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy. She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet. She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing is silk and purple. Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land. She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant. Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come. She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness. She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness. Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her. Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all. Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the LORD, she shall be praised. Give her of the fruit of her hands; and let her own works praise her in the gates. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/4/2013 11:41:25 PM   If I hadn’t seen “Proverbs” at the top,,, I might have thought Durak did too much LDS in college?!! My,,,, how women have changed?!! Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > To the new and the older gents here.
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