Most of you aren't even here to meet fsu women! You are here to salt the fields! Of course you should stay aware for scammers but I know for myself I nearly passed on the best woman I've ever known because all of you freaks. I told her several times that she was lying, she was not being honest... Because of all the crap i read here. If she wasnt truly the nicest woman on earth she would be gone now. Look I came in here with my first posts saying how easy it seemed to be. I was wrong, it was more difficult than I first thought but its not Rocket science. Sure she might pack her stuff tomorrow. She's spent 2 years now planning to scam me, signed a prenup that would make scrooge wince, and given me all of her documents to lock in a safe. What is she here to "scam" me out of? Getting home from work at 6am and she meets me in a silk bath robe to make me breakfast, then tuck me in? If she tried to enforce the affidavit of support by divorce, it comes our of the $6000 I said I would pay her, then she owes for my lawyers fees. Look, play hard with the prenup. If she's not real she will be gone in 2 seconds, but don't pole the field and scare another noob away from what was for me the best thing ever in my life.
good advice Tom. Ive met several good and genuine girls in the past 4 weeks Ive been here. Its possible to find your love here
if you arent being stupid or unrealistic. no more than 20 years age difference is the key for 90% of people.
2nd most important thing is to get up off your lazy asses and come over here and live life.
Ive honestly been too busy to visit the forum but I have a day off in my schedule to go shopping and do laundry.
If the girl isnt on the internet every day its completely normal!
Tom is right, its NOT rocket science but it DOES take time and effort.
Tom, many of the forum members operate on jealousy. Success to them is others failing. What is surprising is some of them, I would classify as successes because they are married. But, their success is not complete until they see someone else be beaten to the ground.
More power to you. Do not look at what could fail. Look at what could succeed. There are tougher roads ahead, I am sure.
Ok its 4:45 am and I can't sleep. I'm laying here next to the must beautiful woman I've ever known on the inside and outside. I've got to get up in 2 hours but in just laying here looking at her as she sleeps. I just think how easy giving up could have been. I think about the negative times in Ukraine when there was no good woman around. I also think about all the money spent between my first time stepping on a plane to Kiev, and meeting her at the air port. Got to be $25,000.
Everyone would agree this is an expensive proposition. I made 6 trips in total but the last 3 were for her. But how much is happiness worth? How much is having a partner who is the smartest woman you have eve meet worth? How much is being with the most beautiful woman in your life is worth? How much is being with the nicest woman you have eve known worth? Now the real question, how much are ALL of these things combined worth? If say way more than $25,000
Very nice to read about someone who is totally content and happy.great post Tom.I'm in the same position as you,except the lady I have lives in Eastern Siberia.im living in the U.K..we've met on three occasions so far and it's cost me around us 10,000 already,but as you say how much is a beautiful person worth ! My only problem is I'm running short on cash.i probably underestimated the cost of this venture.but good luck to you,I understand how you feel and it's amazing.
Congrats Tom, and as I said before you are the luckiest guy on this forum!
I had mention that I met a UA girl in-country but after that failed adventure the next one was on-line but not from this Dating website. My mistakes for lack of common sense , knowledge and expectations cost my time and money (for the record: I was not scammed), my second conquest last 2 months on-line and 2 weeks in-country; cost an air ticket only since I stayed in her house. Again, fail …these girls were genuine, they took care of me but I did not jumped blindly, c’mon buddy, nobody is perfect. I had a great time and a better understanding of their culture and language now. I am 38 and dating 28+ here in the UK is no biggie for me. Dating girls < 28 + immature = Epic Failure. There are a lot of fake profiles and dating sites… However, I hope to meet a potential soul-mate in the FSU if possible, but REMEMBER guys they are not desperate to cross the big oceans.
We have been spreading with her parents every morning on Skype. She loves it here. I've taken her a few places but she is very content to just plant flowers decorate the house, play with the animals and study her English.
I used many agencies abbr ranger and I have spoken about common friends but even if 50% of women are scammers that means the next one probably won't be. I meet one woman in Kiev who was a sweet heart too but I was to old for her. Oh well fiance.com is the only place to be. If you arrange to meet 10 women in the same area you WILL meet one who is honest beautiful and for real.
Yes, I will agree with Tom, there are many guys who have been scammed and then they say that all FSUW are scammers. Of course it is not true. There are women over there who have had a couple of bad expriences with Western men and now they say we are all the same. It works both ways.
It is a question of searching and searching and searching.
I know several couples of British and FSU women here. There have been failed marriages but guess what, half of them have been caused by the man: infidelity, bad treatment, lack of understanding of FSU culture, etc.
I talk to some ladies, in dating sites, who tell me they are totally fed up with scammer paranoids, keyboard Romeos and plain liars. And I have come across several lady scammers too.....
I have also read (and learned) that age and maturity are not necessarily chronologically connected. Take two girls: one of them is 26, she got married at the age of 20, had a baby, the man left her, she has had to fend for herself and her baby for 6 years. She has had no luck finding an elegible FSU man who will take her with the kid. Then you have a 36 year old woman who is good looking and has never been married or in a long term relartionship, has no children and has spent her life dating all kinds of men and living it up. Guess which one is more mature.
You can even see it in their profiles:
The 26 year old: I am looking for a committed and reliable man.
The 36 year old: I want to travel abroad and see the world.
I decided to go on a couple dates in Ukraine this time. One of these dates was from fiance.com and it was a great date.
25 year old girl with a son. Yes, I spent 50 bucks for the date but it was a place I wanted to go.
Although it was a good time we figured out we were probably not compatible. Much of the BS we hear about on this site
is clearly from a lack of understanding. So we had an expensive date and I knew we weren't a match but that isnt her fault.
Some idiots here would whine and cry that she is pro dater because no second date came out of it.
Just like in our home countries, not every date will bear fruit or lead to something. Its a numbers game. If you make wise decisions on who to date
then you can increase your odds of success. If you are 52 then the odds of success with a 22 year old girl is slim to none.
I mention 52 as a friend that age has been coming to Ukraine now 7 years and has been failing the whole time (and has spent tens of thousands)because
he continues to date 22 and 23 year old super model types. He is lost in fantasy and doesnt pay attention to what I and others try to tell him.
Some are just stuck on stupid
I wanted to introduce another aspect to the failure of some men to find a good woman in the FSU. The norm in men's forums is to say that when a man fails it is because the ladies are scammers, professional daters, immature, time wasters etc.
Let us consider, what if the man is simply not marriage material? What if he is the type that cannot attract eligible women, despite his ability to get them a visa and even if he has money? What if he is just too unattractive, silly, boring, bitter, paranoid, etc.
Why should ladies go with a guy like that? because otherwise they will be called scammers?
I am not excluding myself from having one or more of those traits I mentioned, maybe there are girls who simply do not like my sense of humour. I do not call them time wasters if they stop being interested in me.
Some members like to post, “false positives” and discredit any post that shines a bad light on Ukraine.
I myself have only had a single date one time because the girl didn’t wish a second. But that was through the Behappy2day/one wife website, which has been well documented on the forum as a scam site.
On two other occasions I had a one dater,, but one was the “Date from hell” who drank herself under the table, and another one that I had to leave town the next day.
I don’t call the women scammers or time wasters unless I have a good reason to. Most times their dishonesty is more than obvious,,,, other times you need to do a little research,,, or a lot of it.
I usually know,,, or think I know, a lot about the women before I make the trip. So it’s easy for me to tell, if everything is the way it should be. It never is!
i cannot believe you called your girl a liar Tom(several times) and shes still with you?
tell me something, would you jump off a cliff if you were told to?
if so would you come back and call that person a freak?
either that girl has a toothpick for a brain or she saw good in you somehow somewhere or..
hey try not to be offended i'm just been straight up.
i do hope all is good and legit around you Tom, just for your mind sake's.
from what you have displayed on this forum in my mind is a bit of a up and down character.
maybe i'm reading you all wrong, easily done..
but i have a saying Tom, "how it starts is how it ends"
i hope that word liar doesn't come back to haunt you.
what i'm getting at if such a word is easily said you need to look at yourself.
obviously she saw something good in you,, so good luck..