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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Kiev Author Post stevc Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/4/2013 12:03:17 AM   Hay guys how about those riots. Am interested to hear what you think have heard maybe a whole other side to story. News travels fast and sometimes a little bit of a instigator in itself. Riots ? demonstration? Matt_Brussels Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/4/2013 3:18:12 AM   It's simple, it's a revolution: http://forum-ukrainien.forumactif.org/t973-vers-la-revolution It's in French, but you can learn many things. ;) durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/4/2013 3:34:08 AM   My info is pretty much limited to the news sources. Coverage has grown a lot in the last few days -- at first, it seemed like the West wasn't taking much notice. A couple of nights ago, I saw my first TV coverage. It was strange to see places I know so well (I've spent months in Kyiv) transformed by vast crowds of people, barricades, and to some degree smoke and flames. Because the Orange Revolution of 2004 was so thoroughly peaceful, my guess is that the violence that has taken place this time has been due (at least in part) to police strong-arm tactics. The coverage I like best so far is on the BBC news website. For example, you could start from this story: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25192792 Near the bottom of the page is a section headed "More On This Story", with links to other news stories and to background information. It's all fairly brief, and I think a good start to getting oriented. My only non-press information is a little contact with a friend in Kyiv who is an ardent Ukrainian patriot, who very much opposes Russian interference, is in favor of closer relations with the West, and whose heart is completely with the protesters. PS: Steve, please check my PM on this forum. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/4/2013 9:55:43 AM   stevec, they call this Euromaidan. There is another thread. durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/4/2013 3:04:00 PM   My inclination is to sympathize with the pro-EU folks. Because of this, I was interested to read an editorial by a professor who makes the opposition argument for more integration with Russia, and risks for Ukraine of EU integration: http://tinyurl.com/lzg6zra I like to study opposing views, because it helps me to deepen my understanding. If I only read what conforms to my own opinions, I will turn into a pointy-headed idiot. stevc Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/5/2013 12:21:38 AM   Hi Durak pm right back at you. Not sure what to think. if my wife was not Russian don't think I as western would have payed much attention. Not a good area to travel right now, am sure of this. Have talked to a few people over there right now and people are very concerned about this happening. Yes I have pics to of me posing by some of those statues, hard to believe how scenery has changed. Hope the politicians straighten out this mess for the good of all. problem is what politician has straightened out anything. HMMM that last sentence could start a new forum, or war durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/8/2013 5:14:02 AM   A useful guide to some of the most important individuals in Ukraine's present political storm: http://tinyurl.com/k4xnsmj Sadly, but not surprisingly, the article explains how Ukraine's Pres. Yanukovich was (for many months) all set to sign an agreement with the European Union ... until he had a meeting (not disclosed to the public at that time) with his Lord, Boss, and Master Controller (that is to say, Putin). Suddenly, Yanukovich changed course. Ukraine's president met with his puppet master again just 2 days ago (Friday) in Sochi. If you want see a metaphor for how Putin views the former Soviet Republics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy3MtznDeqg [The 'selected guy' corresponds to Georgia, but the message is for all the guys.] ________________________ A kind correspondent from Ukraine just wrote to me about the TV news coverage of the protests: nothing. They are not mentioning Euromaidan AT ALL. bowhunter Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/8/2013 6:18:42 AM   well seems the 4 main news channels are now mentioning and covering some of the protest. durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/8/2013 3:04:22 PM   It's rather strange, for people like me who have spent months living in Kyiv ... On the northwest corner of Bessarabska Square, at the end of Taras Shevchenko street (an attractive street, divided by a median planted with tall trees), where it meets Khreshchatyk (the "main shopping drag" of Kyiv), long stood a statue of Lenin. It surprised me when I first noticed it -- I had imagined that Ukrainians would prefer to get rid of such a reminder of their Soviet past. But for me, it was a sort of jolly anachronism. I once stayed in an apartment whose door was not many meters away, and probably more than once ate at the sandwich shop on that corner. And of course, I've walked those streets, and shopped at Bessarabska, many times. Protestors have just knocked Lenin from his pedestal. I don't think he will be returning: I saw a photo of a man smashing the stone figure with a hammer. I suspect that today, Lenin is a symbol not so much of communism, but of Russia. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Kiev
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