Hi there guys,
Well I'm kinda new here, and when I read some of your advises/experiences here I really liked them and I thought I'd join up and also share some of my experiences and also get advises.
To introduce myself, I'm half Russian half Persian, grew up in Turkey and Persia(Iran) party. Studied my B.S. Computer Eng. in Thailand (Bangkok) and my B.A. M.A. Linguistics in Persia. 18 years old. I've been to Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, Russia, Persia, Iraq, Dubai, Turkey, Armenia, Baku, Germany, Georgia, Poland, Romania, Stonia, Latvia, and Tajikistan.
Well to make the story as short as i can short. a long time ago I talked to a 24 years old Ukrainian girl on FB randomly. It wasn't about sex, love or anything just about her pictures as she was an awesome cook and I like cooking.(later on it opened my way to loving the Russian/Ukrainian culture) after like 1 month talking to her I had a plan to go to Tbilisi for a week of fun and she insisted that she wants to join me there, so she bought a ticket with her own money, got there 1 day after my arrival. She was a really thin and tall blond girl with blue eyes, extremely calm and polite. I've been with many different girls from different parts of the world due to my business (Poland, France, Russia, Lebonan, Dubai, etc..) but the very second I saw her coming out of the airport towards me all these phrases such as "halelooyah", "mother of god!", "fuck me now!!", "jesus christ", and so on were being repeated in my mind as she was crazy beautiful. It was just like that she came out of a Barbie box, awesomely cute, very beautiful and she was so blond/white it was like looking at the sun. anyway she was beautiful, and trust me, I rarely use the word "beautiful" for any girl and i'm kinda a sick picky guy.
anyway, i took her to the hotel, she was very tired and wanted to sleep a bit, So she went into the bed and i went down in the street to have a look around and get cigerates and a beer. when I got back i found her sleeping in the bed with nothing but underwear, she was like dead sleep and man.. it was hard not to stare at. i went to the balcony, she woke up slowly, came to the balcony with the under wear (didn't mind it at all), and told me that she hates cigerates, it's bad for health but i can smoke now since we're on vacation however i have to quit it sometimes. She stayed there 3 days with me, I had the best trip and best experience in my life. The first retaurant we went, she told me that he has some money and wanted to put in her share but she looked having a really hard time doing so, so i took care of her completely the whole time, however she never nagged and always told me "since your buying, i'm a bit shy and we'll go wherever and eat whatever you say". she was poor but very polite, thankful, hard working, and she already bought a plane ticket which was like 3 month salary of an accountant in ukraine to come and see me. Over the days I absolutaley did not push her for sex or anything, i left the room sometimes when she wanted to change cloth. All I wanted was to have some nice time with a female friend who is polite, caring and beautiful and guess what? It led into sex after a few drinks at the hotel late at night at the very first day, and it was beautiful because she wanted it just as much as i did! just like any other normal "not-arranged" sex. I remember we bought straw berries to eat with our drinks and when we ran out, she said don't worry i got 2 more straw berries and took off her shirt and showed me her bra that had small straw berry pictures on it. anyway, a few days, although short, but full of fun, joy, love. Her ticket was from Kutaisi to Kiev, not from Tbilisi so she had to take a bus for like 6 hours to get there. I insisted and took a private car with a nice middle age driver to get her there. nothing expensive was like 20$ (tbilisi is cheap). At the end she tried to sneak her way into droping 200$ into my pocket so she have had paid a part of the expenses, i noticed it and gave it back. she insisted on it, she was poor, much more poor than any other girl i've met but she asked for much less and tried to put in as much as she could.
orry the rest of what I wrote didn't come along, here it is:
Here is the bad part: later on, i wanted to get serious with her and i found out that she was married. Her husband was an English man, 48 years old and married her when she was 20. I know this is her fault too but you can't expect a 18-20 years old girl to be wise, while you can expect it from that 48 years old man who propably has daughters at the same age! Anyway she found a second job, the guy treatened that he won't pay her rent and she will be homeless if she ask for a divorce, he bear her often as well. I wanted to help her but she didn't accept it and brought her out of that shit by herself, divorced the guy, and is free now :)
Many other young ukrainian women have the same experience as you know, don't wonder if your like 48 and all the young girls look at you like your a serial killer, cause they know you want them and they hate it! at the best, they will be with you to rip you off and give you the finger at the end.
Guys, what I want to tell you here is that without doubt the Ukrainian girls are the most beautiful in the world with a huge difference to other girls, but this very fact has made some problems. Thousands of foreigner men +40 +50 come to these countries to date 18-28 years old girls... and how do they do it? try to open their way up to the girls by spending money, paying their rent, helping their families so the girl does it for the sake of her family and her life even if she hates to even kiss that guy! 90% of the guys I've seen who come to thailand, georgia or anywhere to get girls are really really old! so what do you think will happen? every single girl in these countries have started to think that a foreigner man is a 40-55 years old man with a huge wallet in his pocket...
I've met other ukrainian and russian women and i have only two sentence for you:
"If your are a young, gentle, normal-handsome guy, looking for a normal relationship with some romance and not only sex/one night stand (fuck and run), it is possible to meet nice Ukrainian/Russian girls offline (rarely online) who would not be after anything but you yourself, like any other girl in the world with feelings and instincts for love and marriage"
"If you are like 45 years old, stop looking for 20 years old Ukrainian girls, would you let your 18 years old daughter date my father who is 55 years old ?!?!?". You can still find nice 35-40 years old Ukrainian girls who i assure you, will love you to death, are sexy, and stick with you".
Guys, it's all about us, all about me and you that decides how any girl in the world would treat us.
Overall, from the half of my blood (i can speak some russian) i can give you the following tips if you wanna date a nice (not a whore, not a gold digger, but a real real girl) girl.
- Try to learn some Russian. They really get appreciate it and respect it when they see that you spent some time trying to learn their language, and want to understand them in their own language.
- Be Handsome: You don't need to be James bond, just don't wear shorts and slipper like a punk, you're not going to play football on the beach, you're going out on a date for God's sake. Wear a nice shirt, nice pants, nice shoes, dress like a real man, Ukrainian/Russian women live men in classy dresses, ties (business style). Ukrainian girls spend a lot on looking good and care A LOT about.
- Do not be a freak: I'm sure in USA or any other country in the world, it isn't consider normal to date a girl 30 years younger than yourself, try someone more close to your age, she will understand you way better.
- High value, comes with high price: Taken from BC up to now, it is an act of being a gentleman when you do not let the woman open the door, the same goes for letting her doing anything! if you are looking for a classy nice dressing awesome girl who is so beautiful that most of your friends will have their eyes poked out when they see her, then treat her like a princes, make her feel like you are able to take care of her. hold her close and at least on the first few dates don't let her spend anything. later on she will share, i promise. just be a gentle man, not all the girls have the American sharing culture. In 99% of the Caucasus, Mena, middle east and easter asian countries is it "super extremely impolite" if the man asks the girl for her share! you want a girl form another culture? fracking learn that culture! you can't change it! adopt!
- An Ukrainian girl (as said in their own culture) will stick with her man after marriage as long as she clearly sees that her man is trying to take care of her, and loves it when the men do all the decisions (mnakes them feel that the man is strong), however, as soon as the man starts slacking, caring, or going sideways with other girls the wife sees fit to give a warning, if ignore, goes to other men without wasting a second!
- Nikolaev: Don't go there, it is called "land of brides", many men has come there to seek women that has made the people there sick tired of foreigners.
- Ukrainian men: most horrible of all. They are drunk, uneducated, bullies, and hate foreigners cuz they know most of the foreigner men are more successful than them. Don't fight them, just ignore them.
Odessa: Go there if you are looking for sponsering a girl, whores and such.
Luhansg, Lviv and western Ukraine: That's where it is still clean of sex seeking tourists, and women there are much more nicer than in Kiev. In Lviv some families don't even allow their girls to go to a club. That's where you will find you wife, if your looking for one.
Dating online: 99% of profiles and 100% of dating sites are bulshit. Try vk.com but u have to know some russian, my advise is google translate, no one can speak English there. it's like the Facebook for
Too many assumptions, speculation and bogus statistics here to go over them. Going around mining for information in the forums only adds to the speculation and generalisation which is the worst thing of all. I refer to what you say about places like Odessa and Nikolaev. Try saying to decent French people that all the French are rude and arrogant, because you hear it in comedy shows and forums, and see what response you get.
Besides Hamidreza, just because you met one Ukrainian girls who wanted to have fun cheating on her husband, you are in NO position to be giving advice on FSU women.
You have too much time on your hands judging by the length of your postings.
Added to this, you have to be extremely naive to believe stories of a cheating woman that her husband treated her like an old rag. Don't you know that this is what they all say about the present husband or boyfirend to entince the man they want to get involved and to raise his chivalry tendency? Christ!
You have no principles getting involved like that with a married woman and you are here giving advice!
You are the one who needs it or one day you will be exactly where the girl's husband was!