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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > would it be dumb to have two wedding Author Post mikey1976 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/24/2014 4:56:27 PM   i've been talking to a russian girl for a bit and i was thinking down the road would it be ok to get married out there so her family and friends can be there. then bring her back to canada and have another so my family can be there. just want to know if this is a good idea.. and is russia safe to travel in as an outsider. thanks for any help stevc Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/24/2014 9:56:53 PM   In Order to bring her back here, you need permanent res visa, It will make paperwork to get her here much faster if you marry her in her country, And trust me wedding will be small and more fun then you can imagine, sure after she is here marry again in Canada, then if you want do it in Vegas. If thats your thing. Don't bring her here and marry her in Canada, the paperwork will take forever and she will not be able to leave until paperwork is finalized. It is not a simple process in Canada. When I was bringing my wife here I learned a lot about our immigration process. Be happy to let you know what it entails. if interested give me a shout on PM. Best thing if you can get her a temp visa which is very hard and pretty much impossible in a lot of cases. Let her see our country and see how she will adapt. Then go back to her country and marry her. Good Luck durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/25/2014 1:16:55 AM   To my thinking, it would be fine to have two weddings as you have envisioned. Being already married can affect the immigration process for her to come to her new country (in the US, it can actually slow things down a little). However, a man on this forum (stevc) married abroad and brought his wife to Canada, all has gone very well. The safety of Russian travel is a trickier question. In short, large numbers of foreigners visit Russia every year, and I think the vast majority of them have no serious problems, though petty crime such as pickpocketing is fairly common, as happens in a number of countries that weren't part of the Soviet Union. On the other hand, Russia is not like the West, or even Ukraine. I recommend that travelers there be educated and aware of the potential to encounter violence. A lot depends on where you would be traveling, and whether you travel alone, with a Russian speaker, or with someone who's actually local to the area you are visiting. A lot also depends on whether it's a big city or a rural village, for example; or which region of Russia you would be visiting. I've made many visits to Russia, and have never been harmed or felt particularly anxious for my safety (except once crossing a street -- Russian drivers can be incredibly agressive). Also, there are still a few places in Russia where it is almost impossible for foreigners to legally enter. It would help if you will identify the city or town you have in mind. Send me a pm, if you like. kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/25/2014 3:50:42 AM   marriage stuff, ask her on such thoughts is the best idea,, woman rule that one. yes russia is reasonably safe to travel, but everyone sees and do things different to another,. the guys are physically bigger then Ukrainians, this was very noticeable, over all reeeasonably friendly. but english only speakers do have a hard time getting things done or around. you will need her for must of the step of the way in traveling. never understood the metros and where what buses were going where. train stations are just painful,,, very few seem or what to speak english at the booths. i never really had issues other then walking home one night which wasnt a issue. i was told not to do this actually late at night. this guy i walked passed didnt look well,, thought he had been mugged, blood and what not.. through sign language i said i'm going this way come along(always safer in twos aye) through sign language he started putting his hand to his throat and flicking his neck with his main index finger. this got me a bit,,,, what the f???? he then grabbed me which i then un-grabbed him rather physically, and left him to it, with a f-you. asked a girl next day what dose such a sign mean,,, 'lets get a drink' the customs police can be a little intimidating but left me alone(just) they always spent 4 times longer on my passport. i did notice people did not like them, rather afraid of them, it was strange to watch,,,,,, thats all about bribes i believe. overall russia is a little intimidating compared to Ukraine due to far less english speakers or maybe not-want-a-be speakers.. when i traveled there i had russian phone numbers to call for help(english speakers) and motels sorted(addresses) just in case of problems. i couldnt trust my embassy why the russian numbers, and motels because of her plus airports. i also booked my international flight out of the FSU as its own itinerary, independent to my main flight itinerary that would take me home to NZ. i usually had 1-2 stop overs between russia and nz. this way if i wanted out or was in some completely different area of the FSU i didnt need to hurry back to Moscow Kiev or Saint peters where my out flight was to get back into Europe. i could cancel or not worry about it totally without it effecting the rest of my itinerary. people forget all flights in your booked itinerary have to be taken, if you miss one flight or didnt use it and turned up at your second stop over to carry on your travel you just couldnt take it,,, your whole itinerary is automatically canceled. with two itinerary's i could take any means out of the country to say Frankfurt Zurich or Geneva mainly been my stop over without having to sort a whole new itinerary because i chose a different root of convenience or just left early and had fun else where. i hope that made sense) WIFESEEKER Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/25/2014 7:06:25 AM   Yes why not, marry in the Civil registry in one country and in the church in another country. It is cheaper, the civil regitry one will be low key. It is safe for a Westerner to travel in Russia. Safety precautions are the same as everywhere else. I have foubd Russian men (not the thieves) to be friendly and corteous to Westerners like me. A little story: I was in a place with a lady where there is bar in which you wait for your table to be ready. I took off my jacket and hung it on the chair (not on the public coat hooks). When the table was ready we were moved to the restaurant and I forgot my jacket. A Russian guy spotted the jacket and set about looking for the owner. He found me and brought me the jacket with a smile in front of the lady. He knew I was one of those foreigners coming to meet a Russian lady as he heard me speaking in English. My jacket was full of my documents: passport, visa, wallet with money, credit cards, etc. Another one: I was in a restaurant with a Russsian lady, I hung my jacket on the chair again, to keep it with me. Local thieves heard me speaking in English and took my wallet and passport from my jacket by sitting at the table behind me. D'oh! mikey1976 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/25/2014 5:06:07 PM   the city is Smolensk i would be traveling alone. flying into moscow. then jumping on a train for a 6 an half hour ride there. i've done my resercher that city has a very rich history. i've never really traveled except to the states. so that don't really count. this site wont let me pm some thing to do with my profile mikey1976 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/25/2014 5:33:12 PM   the city i would be going to is Smolensk. so i would be flying into moscow then jumping on a train for 6 and a half hour ride. i will be traveling alone. i have done my reserch i just never traveled except to the states. this site wont let me pm yet stevc Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/25/2014 7:51:45 PM   Mikey1976 if you are serious I can help you out quite a bit send me private message. would be happy to help you and your lady out. The immigration process for Canada is much different then States. Get your ducks in a row, and go get married. We have no K-1 visas. I think that's what they are called. I did all work myself learned a lot of lessons. with a good working base, all can be do much faster. And thrust me I wished I had someone to guide me through process. Some of this paperwork is just frustrating beyond belief lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/25/2014 9:06:05 PM   No matter if you are traveling by taxi, bus, train or plane,,,, always have the names of hotels in each place, and of cities along the way. And not only have them in English,, but in Russian too,, it doesn’t help much if you are the only person that can read them. I print copies right off their websites,,, so the prices are copied too. I also copy from taxi websites. I research each place and choose hotels that offer what I need, restaurant, internet, ATM, and some English speaking staff. However,,,,, just because a place advertises that they have the services you want,,,, it doesn’t mean that it works. I’ve looked for a place that has a whirlpool whenever possible,,, not a single one has worked yet!! “the city is Smolensk” Isn’t that the city where a plane went down in bad weather a couple of years ago under questionable circumstances? durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/25/2014 9:28:00 PM   @lonely: In my mind, the circumstances were not questionable. Primarily, the flight crew needed to see in order to land safely, and attempted a landing in thick fog. This won't matter to mikey, because no airlines fly there anyway :) durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/25/2014 9:53:44 PM   @mikey: The trip you describe shouldn't be very difficult, but for someone who speaks no Russian, also not very easy. CHALLENGE 1: MONEY You will probably need rubles (how much depends, see below). The airport currency exchanges have really lousy exchange rates, but they're easy to find. At least one of the airports has giant bank machines (they look like vending machines) where you can actually change currency at a decent rate. If you don't get rubles at the airport, you can pay unofficial taxis in dollars (they will ask for a LOT of them!). But in general, anything else you do with cash will have to be in rubles (it's the law in Russia). CHALLENGE 2: GETTING TO THE TRAIN STATION The trains to Smolensk leave from the Belorusski Station. I highly recommend getting a taxi from your airport to the station. The taxi can be really expensive (as in, costing more than a first-class train ticket to Smolensk), but cheaper ways of getting about can be really stressful for a visitor who (a) is toting baggage and (b) doesn't know the language at all. Probably you can find online a way to book (and maybe even pre-pay) a taxi ride. The fare will be a little better, and at least known in advance. CHALLENGE 3: GETTING A TRAIN TICKET You can definitely pre-pay your train fare, though I don't know the best way to do this if you don't know Russian. Because Moscow to Smolensk is a busy route, I think you'd be safe to simply show up at the station and buy a ticket for the next available train. The trains don't depart in the middle of the night (after 1:45 AM), but do run from morning until that hour. At the station, not knowing Russian is not a barrier, but it may slow things down a fair amount. You can't count on any of the ticket cashiers knowing English. It will be helpful to have written down your destination, which service class(es) you'll accept (there are three), and that you want the next available train. I'm sure you can print this out in Russian with a little help. Otherwise, you can try to find a friendly passenger in the station who knows some English -- enough people speak the language, that it usually won't take very long to find a kindly English speaker. CHALLENGE 4: RENDEZVOUS I HOPE that your lady friend would be meeting you at Smolensk Station! Unless you are a sort of Hercules, you'll probably be about as tired as you've ever been by the time you arrive there. Because travel to Russia has so many possibilities for delay, it would be very useful for you to be able to text or email her confirming which train you're getting on. I don't know anything about using smart phones over there (hate smart phones, personally), but if your phone is quad-band GSM, you can use it in Russia in one of two ways. If your carrier roams in Moscow, you can use the roaming (may be expensive, but you probably will can use it only a little). Otherwise, if the phone is unlocked, you can buy a SIM card at the airport (which will suddenly give your phone a Russian phone number). lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/25/2014 9:56:30 PM   Durak,,, is this the story of the obsolete airfield where very little of the equipment worked?? ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/25/2014 10:28:48 PM   The woman I visited in Zaporzhye was married in a church, but did no government paper work. All he did was leave her without saying goodbye. She said she thought he was in Kiev with another woman, but she wasn't sure. Fiance visa is twice as fast as a spousal visa in the US. I think getting married without paperwork and then apply for a fiance visa is a sneaky way, but practical. mikey1976 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/26/2014 8:53:59 AM   no i plan on marry her and bring her home. thanks for all the info every one Batman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/27/2014 10:14:06 AM   Have you made any consideration to a pre nuptial agreement and what the ramifications would be if you were married first overseas? mikey1976 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/27/2014 11:58:23 PM   NO Batman I haven't but i'm really thinking of going with wifeseekers idea of Civil registry. i only feel that its right her parents should be there and her friends. considering shes going to give them up to be with me in canada. of course will go back and visit and stuff kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/1/2014 3:21:31 AM   prenup?? Mikey,, i'm a little confused here. are you planning to marry and you havent even met this person yet, yes? she isnt meeting you at the airport but this is your plan for this trip? i'm a little slow sometimes, just trying to understand what you are up to. if it means anything,, i kinda remember some Irish twit on here doing this,,,,,, turned to shit big time for him. her and big mama half screwed him with ukraine lawyer stuff and such,,, so foreseen. cannot remember his name,, wouldnt be hard to find his posts on here. maybe i have my wires crossed and you are talking about the future not this trip? you do understand writing to someone isnt the same as been in their personal space yeah? WIFESEEKER Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/1/2014 9:07:55 AM   Oh I had not spotted that Mikey. If you have not met the girl in person, do not worry about marriage arrangements yet. I have been in corrspondence with this great girl in Crimea, for a few months, and we have even expressed love for each other but have not met in person yet. I am not worried about marriage plans at all, yet, until I manage to get to see her. Now with the problems in Crimea, the possibility of a meeting in the near future seems unlikely.... mikey1976 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/1/2014 6:48:12 PM   no not this trip next monday will will mark 3 weeks. i'm talking about a year down the road. after i've made the trip a few times. i'm just think a head thats all kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/3/2014 5:19:12 PM   good to know Mikey,, common sense plays a big role in this stuff. to give you an idea how it played out for me with this stuff. i always chatted online for 4-6 months before traveling. in reality thats a easy straight run for any russian, Smolensk to Moscow, not much out of any russians way. but crap for the likes of me and i'm sure many here. Russia isnt Ukraine in travel i have found. i have had similar but longer straight train runs from moscow but south. if tomor i was to do the same again, i would still like help to be honest. its not impossible but. myself i always liked the idea of been met at the airport depends how long you have been writing of cause. then a motel for the first night is sorted just to take in the moment of each other. personal space is needed between both to knock away any awkwardness, if thats the right word. also meeting at the airport you can almost instantly see if you have been taken for a ride or not. better to know sooner then later stuck in some city.. i have never visited anyone without her doing her bit to be honest other then in Ukraine on my first trip, this is mandatory in my eyes. they should be involved with your travel. this gets rid of the sh!tters and non-serious and shows a sincerity on both sides(no deviations on your part, you are there for her) to be honest many people i know in russia would be looking sideways at any woman who made a foreigner, none russian speaker travel on their own and not meet them at any airport. i have had girls travel over a thousand km to collect me by train. one girl and her girlfriend drove by car 9-10 hours straight or something to collect me. it was mostly on a rock road,, my ass wore that one, i really wanted to fly it but i'm glad i didnt now actually,,, wonderful trip. that trip i experienced rock boulders rolling across the road in front of us more then once, at night, plus other crazy road stuff:) whats a few boulders, bad bridges or work to some of these girls in meeting a guy at the airport. i never had to ask this of them, to travel. even to this day the girls i met over there would still do the same for me no matter of my situation now, they are gracious thoughtful people. and i am a hundred percent sure of this. the travel was only a small part to what some organized for me,,,, seriously. dont rule that out Wifeseeker,, if shes keen, she will find a way. 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