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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > The future of Ukraine and Europe Author Post ozjohn Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/15/2014 7:07:42 PM   The future of Ukraine is not looking good. the crimea is just the starting point for the new Russian Empire on the rise. United states president Ronald Reagan sown seeds of freedom in the USSR in the late 80s which at it heights had half of Europe under it control. But 1991 it was a shattered Empire. it cause the Russians to retreat back to Moscow. it did not have the infrusture or money to hold all those countries together at the time in the early 90s. so Moscow under the Deception gave away it Communism Passed and embracing the capitalist system so it had time to rebuild itself again. it was a wound bear that need time to heal. anyone would had to be in fairy land if they believed that the Russians had given up hope of rebuilding back the great USSR Empire. they had this plan in the making now since 1991. can you blame them No they were a superpower to be feared in it time. now the Russians sit behind china in 3rd place as a superpower. the Ukraine has been the Russians back yard for over 200 years now. so it see the Ukraine as part of the great Empire it building for the future.the crimea has always been in Russian control up to 1954 then hand over by Nikita Khrushchev. The Crimea will go back to Russia after Sunday. it will not be recognized by Moscow as part of Russia. but they will let them be an independent Russian state under the protection of Moscow to save their freedom of independents. America and Europe will have to sit on the side lines, as you can not upset a nation wanting independents from their so called big brother Ukraine. France step in to help America to get it independents from the British Empire in 1776. so Moscow will do the same for the Crimea if the Ukrainians would like to try and take it back by force. Round 2 Russia will end up causing problems in east of the Ukraine either after the annex or wait another year or 2 to test to see how the country is reacting from the annex of Crimea and to push for a split in the country or go for the whole. it will all depend how the Ukraine and the USA and Europe reacts. if this all happens you will see a lot of the satellite states like Latvia,Estonia and Moldova fall too the sleeping bear that has awaken. the propaganda has been played on both sides on this conflict. the Russians are just playing it better. Putin has outfoxed him in ever move on the international stage. President obama is a lame duck with no real power he can only watch and talk now. America or Europe can not even afford to go to war as they are broke. maybe germany could as it the only European country making grow and money. the women you are chasing here in FSU are all patriots to their country. if you don't like their views then you should look in the country you are from as they will have the sames views as you. over time they may change their views living in your country. ozjohn Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/17/2014 5:04:48 PM   Round 1 Putin wins again on the international stage one step further towards the New Soviet Empire. as you can see from the articles from the Washington post and the VOLTAIRE NETWORK it over now. all Europe and America can do now is hope and pray that he does not go for the the Eastern part of the Ukraine and the baltic state. yeah Right putin has know got these in his sights next. VOLTAIRE NETWORK Quotes As it looks now Obama has given up. The U.S. plot to snatch the Ukraine from Russia and to integrate it into NATO and the EU seems to have failed. Russia taking Crimea and having 93% of the voters there agree to join Russia has made the main objective of the U.S. plans, to kick the Russians out of Sevastopol and thereby out of the Middle East, impossible. The Russian (non public) threat to also immediately take the eastern and southern provinces from the Ukraine has pushed the U.S. into agreeing to the Russian conditions mentioned above. The only alternative to that would be a military confrontation which the U.S. and Europeans are not willing to risk. Despite the anti-Russian campaign in the media a majority of U.S. people as well as EU folks are against any such confrontation. The U.S. never held the cards it needed to win this game. Washington post Quotes Without stronger U.S. and Western reaction, McCain said in a statement, “we run the risk of signaling to Putin that he can be even more expansive in furthering his old imperial ambitions, not only in Ukraine, but also in Central and Eastern Europe, the Baltic countries and parts of Central Asia.” He urged the Obama administration to “rush the modest military assistance to the Ukrainian government that its leaders have requested. But Anatol Lieven, a professor of international relations at King’s College London, said the sanctions were highly unlikely to influence Putin’s moves in Crimea and were instead aimed at the next flashpoint: eastern Ukraine. “Crimea is lost. In practice, there’s no way that Ukraine is ever going to get it back,” Lieven said. “The question now, and it’s a vastly greater strategic question, is what happens in eastern Ukraine.” ozjohn Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/18/2014 5:04:42 PM   I must say he went one step further than I thought. it shows that he not even worried about the American or EU sanctions or even a war with Ukraine. which means at any time now he could go for the rest of Ukraine now. interesting he said he convinced the germans will support him. The funny thing is germany is Russia 2nd largest trading partner just behind China. Nikita Khrushchev when he hand over the Crimea in 1954 was a Ukrainian born citizen. PUTIN: WE WERE ‘ROBBED’ OF CRIMEA Sixty years ago locals in Crimean went to bed Russian and woke up Ukrainian and today it was the same in reverse. Earlier in the day Mr Putin said he felt his country had been “robbed” by the break-up of the Soviet Union and loss of Crimea to Ukraine and he was now pleased to take it back. He confirmed for the first time the 25,000 unmarked troops on the Black Sea peninsula for the past two weeks were his and were there for stability and was thankful there was no bloodshed. He said his annexation would not lead to the break up of Ukraine as Russia did not want the rest of that country. “To the people of Ukraine, in no way do we want to damage you and insult your national feelings … hear me my dear friends don’t trust those who frighten you about Russia … it will remain Russian, Ukrainian and Crimea Tartarian … but it will not be a region of barbarians,” he said to rousing applause. He described in a lengthy historical oratory how the Crimean referendum was now of “historic significance” and was “more than convincing” to reinforce their cultural and historical links. He pledged the rights of the indigenous Tartar people would be respected, touching on one of the great fears of Crimea. He said Crimea’s transfer to Ukraine 60 years ago was an improbable formality as was the breaking up of the Soviet Union in 1991. But he said it remained integral part of Russian, past and presence, as he revealed its return was first looked at by the kremlin back in 2000 with the aid of the then Moscow-backed government of Kiev. He accused the West of over reaching their limit in support of the Kiev authorities and had lost “political sense”, including with their “aggressive” sanctions, forcing the hand of Russia. He said Germans more than anyone should understand break ups and reunification. http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/putin-in ks-deal-to-incorporate-crimea/story-e6frfkui-1226858635836 story below RUSSIAN President Vladimir Putin and leaders of Crimea and its biggest city Sevastopol have signed a treaty making the two entities new members of the Russian Federation. The treaty goes into force immediately, but stipulates an interim period until the end of the year to formalise the accession of the 84th and 85th members of the Russian Federation. The signing ceremony in the Kremlin on Tuesday came after an almost hour-long address to MPs and governors, in which Putin defended the move that has triggered the worst crisis between Russia and the West since the Cold War. Putin stressed that Sunday's referendum in Crimea was fully legal, noting that more than 96 per cent of voters supported accession to Russia, according to official figures. "The numbers were fully convincing," he said. Putin compared Crimea's accession with Germany's unification after the Cold War, stressing that Moscow had explicitly supported this "unlike some other countries". "I am convinced that the Germans will support us," he said. Putin rejected Western accusations that Russia had invaded and annexed a part of Ukraine. "We are being told that there was some Russian intervention in Crimea, an aggression. That's strange to hear. I do not recall a single case in history of an intervention without a shot being fired," he said. Putin argued that while Russia did recognise Ukraine's independence in 1991, both countries never signed a treaty delineating the border between them. He accused the West of "double standards and straight cynicism" over the issue. "Our Western partners, led by the United States of America, prefer not to act according to international law but according to 'might is right'," he said. He pointed to NATO-backed bombings in Yugoslavia and Libya, which went ahead without a UN Security Council mandate, as examples. Putin again denied that Russian soldiers had invaded Crimea, saying that Russia merely "strengthened" its forces already stationed on the peninsula. The Russian Black Sea Fleet is based in Crimea under an agreement with Ukraine. Putin also brushed off sanctions, saying that Russia already suffered from limitations to its economy that were a legacy of the Cold War. In a move unprecedented since the end of the Cold War, the US and the European Union on Monday imposed sanctions on Moscow that include asset freezes and travel bans on senior Russian government officials. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > The future of Ukraine and Europe
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