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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Introduction letter Author Post 4re_geo Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/26/2014 3:58:31 PM   So what are you supposed to write in this letter? This is different culture we're talking about .. Do you write a general letter and then adapt accordingly to each lady? Do you have to post a general letter that every lady can see? Do you have the letter translated? Sorry for the many questions, I'm new but am starting to warm up to the idea and want to avoid newbie mistakes. WIFESEEKER Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/28/2014 4:37:29 PM   First letter can be general to all. Some ladies write up to 5 general letters until you insist that they answer your questions. If you want to impress, yes, get it translated to Russian (or even Ukrainian) but send it in English too. Why? because it can be counter-productive with ladies who say they speak good English and they think you are assuming that their English is rubbish. So you can say: "I am sending my letter in your language, too, just in case there is the odd thing I did not make clear in English". Some ladies will not bother to try and read the English or the Russian versions, just the one they want to read. They only thing is you may have to keep it up, if she likes you writing in her language, then you have to have every letter translated. I am corresponding with a lady who speaks little English, she just puts all my letters in the translator. Content is more important than language. Don't talk religion/politics/sport/crime/conspiracy theories/race/local jokes or people/jargon/your ex/philosphy/etc. And DON'T start with the stuff of how poor, undemocratic, riddled with crime, corrupt, etc her country is. They really hate this. Don't call a Ukrainian a Russian. They love talking about kids if one or both of you have them, travel, cinema, their friends and family, food, what they know about your country and they are impressed when you know about theirs. Avoid the Russian-Ukrainian conflict until you know them better. 4re_geo Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/29/2014 11:11:45 AM   Thanks buddy, this is very useful! How long have you been doing this search? This site does not have the prettiest girls, but it seems more legit than others, fewer photo shopped pictures, what's up with this, should I assume these are scammers? all the artistic pictures look too professional, why would a girl go through the trouble to hire a pro photographer? The scam business is the biggest turn off for me, I guess worst thing can happen is the waste of time as am not sending money and am not visiting anyone unless am convinced of the honesty of the girl. How do you weed out the scam artists early on and not waste your time? Scorpio1951 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/29/2014 8:33:11 PM   There will always a debate on this; I've had better and more responses to introductory letters by making them as personal as possible, time permitting. Tell her generally about yourself. Ask her more from the info on her profile. People love to talk about themselves. If you able, attach one or two pictures to your letter that are not on your profile. As far as translations, there are translations programs if you exchange home emails. WIFESEEKER Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/31/2014 10:38:52 AM   4re_geo, You ask easy questions to answer: Most girls in the FSU want to look their best: glamorous and sexy. They do not do it just for the photos in dating sites, go to visit offices, night clubs, restaurants, etc, in the FSU and you will see that they still look like that. These girls are not stupid at all, they know all men think with their pe... and the first thing they will look at in the girls is their appearance; that the girls may have a Masters degree and speak 5 languages is secondary for all of us. And there is a lot of competition for the best Western men (there are a lot of loonies who talk about rifles and paranoids out there). There are hundreds of dating sites with hundreds of girls in each one. I have a Ukrainian Facebook friend who is very religious: her church prohibits sex before marriage and that kind of thing. If you just saw her photos in FB you would never guess that she is this kind of religious girl. She constantly posts photos of her looking all sexy and glamorous, wearing tight clothes, high heels, etc. She rejects all advances by men and does not even have a boyfriend. She does not see a contradiction. That is just the way those girls are. My girl put on her profile a series of studio photos, which she ordered for herself (her agency does not pay for the photos), looking all sexy and glamorous. I showed the photos to a cousin of mine and she said "what the hell are you doing getting involved with a young girl like that, she has got to be a scammer!" So I asked my girl for more photos and she sent me a series of home made photos of her at home and with her friends, even wearing a pair of flip-flops (no fancy high heels) and NO make up (I could see every freckle she has). She looked pretty ordinary but still beautiful. I showed the photos and her information to my cousin and she was satisfied she was genuine. So do the same. Ask the girls with studio photos only to send you home made photos, especially with friends or their child or whatever. There is only one way to weed out the scam artists, give it time talking to them over months. Eventually all the scammers will reveal themselves (asking you for money, saying they will come to visit you, getting bored with you not sending money or presents, etc.) and you will have time to investigate them and find them in the Internet scammer data bases. Here is how I know mine is not a scammer: I have been corresponding with her for months and she has never given me the slightest hint about money. She is in Crimea, she works in tourism and has virtually lost all her work because of the troubles. Still no hint of her needing 'help' or sad stories. And I know how tough it must be for her at present. She has not pressurised me to come and see her. This is what some scammers do for you to go and spend money on them in their city. But TAKE NOTE: there are many genuine girls who also want you to go and see them soon. WIFESEEKER Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/31/2014 11:29:02 AM   Following from what Scorpio said, yes, I wanted to tell you that I always add a personalised note to the general letter that relates to the lady in question. This is how: Read her profile carefully and find one or two things that you can comment on, for instance: "Oh yes, I love Mexican food too" or "You must be a good mother looking after a 2 year old child on your own, it must be tough" DO NOT write your life story on the first letter, she will not read it. The most attractive girls get hundreds of letters and messages and they will only scan them to see who is worth talking to so you need to catch their attention. If she thinks you are boring telling her all about your school days, your letter will be discarded. Just introduce yourself and tell them WHY you decided to write to them in particular (get it?). Compliments on their appearance (using words like beautiful, gorgeous, pretty, etc.) always work with them. They do appreciate them. Do not worry that they may react like a Western woman calling you a creep if you tell her she is beautiful out of the blue. ozjohn Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/31/2014 5:53:16 PM   @ Wifeseeker You have given some good advice their on introduction letter. the rule of the game is to keep checking on what they are saying and her answering your questions. photos are good to check to see for dates of photo taken in the properties file on the computer. scammers will make mistake if you give them time. Wifeseeker how is your girl going now with what happen now in Crimea is she pro Russian or she wants Ukraine back? My lady is Pro Russian and is religious. her beauty is a 9 or 10 more a 10. she off to the Crimea championship body and bikini fitness contest. she everyday wants input and support for what she is competing in contest. it funny how a won her heart was on a letter she wrote to me. question was about what would your friends say about you as a person. she writes I look like a man in a dress.I said no way do you look like a man in a dress:-) from that day on we became the best of friends. the funny thing she is beautiful and has a bikini body that most western women would kill for. WTFisgoingon Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/1/2014 1:49:52 AM   WifeSeeker, on which sites do the girls not respond? I always get responses and it makes me think it is all a scam. 4re_geo Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/1/2014 10:25:13 AM   Ok, got it! this is very useful. American women also like compliments in correspondence, just not sexually explicit from the first email, and they return the compliments (or even initiate them) if they like a guy. Despite all the bashing, American women are fine IMO and there are pretty (mostly divorced) women my age where I live. The big difference IMO is that most young, pretty American women won't accept to marry an older guy (unless they're looking for a sugar daddy to constantly shower them with gifts and pay their expenses:) It seems that for some FSU women age difference of say 10-15 years or more does not matter, or so they say. Is this your experience so far? is it in their culture to prefer older, more accomplished men? or are they looking for someone to simply get them out of there, take care of them for a while and then arrivederci? are they really marriage oriented as their ads want us to believe? Tom Shea Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/1/2014 9:16:56 PM   I guess I did it differently than most here. I wrote a standard letter and sent it to any woman in one area that I thought was interesting at all. Maybe 40 women. I told them about me, my work, my life, them waited. 20 never wrote back. Sent me form letters and didn't answer even one question. 10 sent me personalized letters that responded to my inquires. Are the first letter I would never send another form letter. Each one was written in response to their letters. After adopting this method on my next trip I met my wife. kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/2/2014 1:52:57 AM   they want babys and a man to stick by them,,, thats all. a family. it has nothing to do with wanting out. older younger they dont really give a toss unless you are a slob. WIFESEEKER Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/2/2014 3:19:25 AM   4re_geo No, it is not in the FSU culture that women want an older man, it is just that over there you will find women who do want an older man mainly because of the way younger men over them have treated then. Eligible men (of which there are not many) over there can play around with women. For a wealthy guy, a woman who is 28 years old, and still in her prime, is an old model and he will not have trouble replacing her with an 18 year old model looking girl. They do not necessarily want older men because they are more accomplished. I know you are lookig for a girl who wants a wealthy guy, yes there are many like that. IMO the ordinary ones want an older guy (sometimes not so good looking) as this guy will have no chance of finding a better girl than her. It is also because they perceive the older guy to be reliable, committed and trustworthy. Of the girls I have approached in the dating site, only 1 in about 40 are prepared to consider an older man (with an age gap even larger than 20 years) and that includes the scammers. But even like that I still have managed to find a few to work on a relationship with. After all, you only need one, don't you? You need to write to lots and lots of girls, soon you will see why. Don't pick one and get obsessed with her. Well, it is different with British women. Unless you are David Beckham, you tell them they are beautiful, they call you a creep, so I bothered to do it only the first time they called me that. WIFESEEKER Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/2/2014 3:33:45 AM   ozjohn, Without meaning to hijack the thread, believe it or not I am going to Crimea to see my girl in the middle of this month. I had to wait 8 months to find a chance to go and see her and it had to be when all this is happening! I wanted a Ukrainian girl, now I have ended up with a Russian girl! I did not need a visa for Ukraine, now I am having to deal with the Russian bureaucrats asking for the visa. My government has advised not to go there but she and Westerners living there assure me there is no trouble for Westerners. In my view, it will be fine unless Putin sends the tanks into Eastern Ukraine while I am there..... I almost got dumped, I upset her as she turned out to be contented with Crimea going to Russia and I spoke in very strong words against it to her (assuming she was pro-Ukraine). She stopped talking to me and when I told her I could go to see her she told me that she was about to end the relationship as she was just sitting there waiting for months for me to go and meet her and in the meantime I was giving her this rubbish. Now we are happy with each other again and I told her that the fact that we resolved the 'conflict' is proof that we could get on well in a married state. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/2/2014 7:24:57 PM   "they want babys and a man to stick by them,,, thats all." I think you got it backwards, kiwi. They want a man to stick it to them so they can have babies. 4re_geo Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/3/2014 9:30:13 AM   I've got some excellent advice from you guys! thanks for sharing! Tom Shea: congratulations on finding your life-long partner! this is encouraging to hear! I didn't understand the last part of what you wrote. You mean you didn't reply to the 10 women who sent you generic type letter and only replied to the 10 who sent you personalized letter? Wifeseeker: Cudos to you for going to visit her in the middle of the turmoil. She should appreciate it. I wish you it all goes well! I actually don't want to attract using the money card and in the letter that I draft give no hints about it. I wouldn't mind sharing more information down the road, but it would be foolish to do so right now. In correspondence, do they like to be called girls or women? (would you say to her: you're a beautiful girl or you're beautiful woman?). In America, some women consider it a derogatory term to be called girls. My target is women 18-30 years old, but mostly 25-30. The prettier women are in the latter bracket and I'm not certain a 20-year old knows she what she wants, yet. Also, would you look at the girls in the first 1-2 pages sorted by date of registration? or would you go further back? do they actually stay active for that long? Have you tried any other dating sites? any recommendations? this one here seems the most legit to me although few girls are pretty. Btw - I want to have all the facts and information before I get into this venture. I also checked the visa requirements. Wow! it takes 5 months for a fiance visa to be approved and then there's more wait for an interview, etc. so it can take up to a year. My guess is for the European guys, it's a lot easier. You guys have an advantage that way plus it's a three hour flight to go and date them. WIFESEEKER Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/4/2014 9:32:05 AM   4re_geo "You are a beautiful girl" every time. To them girl means young and not in the paranoid feminist language: "inferior being" 18-24 year old girls with no kids: I would only approach to have a good time (not as a sex tourist) when going over there and with their knowledge you are not talking matrimony. There are many genuine and mature girls in that age group but most will not realise the implications of marring a foreigner and going to live abroad. Maybe a 21-24 year old girl with a kid is worth considering. I have written to girls who have not been active in the website for 4-6 weeks and when they got my message they came back to talk to me. My present girl wrote me her first two messages, then disappeared for 5 weeks, then came back to me and now I am going to visit her. I cannot recommend specific sites or they will accuse me of spamming. Look in the Internet for 'experts' or websites who rate dating sites. Use mainly the ones where you only pay the subscription, nothing more. Pay-per-everything sites are a no-no. 4re_geo Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/4/2014 2:09:43 PM   Wifeseeker: sounds you have been doing this for a while. Your suggestions are very helpful. The big question is how many of these girls are for real. What do you do when you receive a 2-3 line message from women who have been registered for 1-2 years and have received hundreds of letters. Sure they're hot and in the right age group, but are they for real? what are the chances they're still looking? most are agency girls with professionally taken pictures, some with videos (which require spending credits to view). Their profiles are generically written, they're of model quality, and dressed real sexy, yet they're all eager to cook and mop the floors and please lol ... just doesn't pass the sniff test:) I'm very highly suspicious of agency girls. Then you have independent girls who registered, posted a few pictures and then disappeared. If a girl is not active after she registered, she's not serious. Any girl can post a profile with a few pictures for free from the comfort of her own home. I am just looking for a normal girl, youthful, sweet girl, not necessarily a model, someone who will say a few things about herself in her profile beyond the usual nonsense. So far, there's only two girls who meet these requirements. So, we'll see. I do read their profiles and letters and pay attention and tailor my replies accordingly. The whole process though is a big question mark to me. I wonder what others' experiences have been. WIFESEEKER Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/4/2014 3:28:04 PM   4re_geo Fiance/married visa: yep be prepared for a tortuous and potentially costly process to get her the visa. That is why you have to choose very carefully who you want to pop the question to. In the USA you hvae no trouble with your pre-nup agreement. That is the reason few men will get the reward of a lovely FSU wife. Most men will not even go as far as joining a dating site for FSU women, due to the bad press they get, let alone be prepared for the cost, the time and getting involved with a girl from a culture they know nothing about. Some of them are even be afraid to travel to the FSU for fear of ending up in a Gulag. It is too soon for you to ask for specific advice about the fiance or marriage visa. Just don't do what some silly men do: They go there, they fall in love with a girl and then they run to the embassy to ask for a fiance visa after knowing the girl for 1 week. The visa people really hate this and you can get easily scammed like this. WIFESEEKER Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/5/2014 6:15:50 PM   4re_geo, I told you, the way to avoid the agency girls is not to use pay-per-everything agencies. You should never have to use video conferencing services from an agency. When it comes to video links, Skype is the thing. Many girls do not care a fig about video meetings. They want to learn as much as possible about you through online chatting or meeting you in person. I have just told my girl, whom you know I am about to go and see, that I suggested we had a video chat through Skype so that she does not get any nasty surprises. She replied: "If you wish but it will make no difference to me, I have already learned enough about you to want to meet you in person, now I want to meet you as it is the only way to move the relationship forward" My best advice: forget about the statistics: what percentage of girls are genuine, how many actually marry the guy, etc. There are no statistics in love. This is about love, not about the odds of finding oil by fracking. there are many people in this forum who are obsessed with figures, they are the ones who have normally failed and they want to justify it with numbers not their lack of skills with the ladies. Your personality, attitude, and other things as well as the girls' intentions, commitment, etc. cannot measured. Now you have listed all the problems that cause you to have to write to loads of girls. No-one can avoid this. However, I could be the exception to the rule! we will see. My girl was one of the first 2 or 3 girls I noticed in the dating site. She immediately struck me with her beauty and her profile. I wrote to her my first message some 8 months ago and since then I have exchanged correspondence with lots of girls because my relationship with her developed very slowly, she really took her time. Every time I thought she was not interested I went to talk to 5 other girls. They have all come and gone but she has always been there. She dictated the pace of the relationship and now she is the one (until we meet). WIFESEEKER Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/5/2014 6:44:11 PM   4re_geo I have just noticed what you said about reading the girls' profiles carefully. I think you are on the right track. I found a genuine girl thanks to my noticing her profile which was entirely different from all the others. She wrote it with the intention of eliminating as many of the men she did not want as possible even before they sent her the first message. It must have scared off a lot of men despite her beauty. Even I was afraid of writing to her for fear of getting a nasty reply but I gathered the courage to do so. I thought very carefully how I would approach her. A letter with the bar-type opening line "hey gorgeous, where have you been all my life?" would have been a disaster. Her profile had nothing of the usual "I want a strong man to make him happy and have babies with him". (I am sure there are many genuine girls who write like this, though). Hers was long, specific and full of warnings to men who start by asking her her Skype address, email etc. But she was very convincing about her serious intentions to form a real long lasting relationship. She sent her papers to the website to get verified as the real thing and told scammer paranoid men not to waste her time checking her up.It was not until this week, 8 months after I first wrote to her, that she gave me her home address! She also gave me lots of personal information which I needed to apply for the (damned) Russian visa: copy of her passport, Crimean documents, information about her job, etc. All this gives you an indication of what the genuine girls are like. A scammer will not even give you her real name. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Introduction letter
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