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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Searching in Ukraine or Russia may require US Government License Author Post PROBOWLER900 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/31/2014 4:01:53 PM   Soon you might need a license to find a woman in Russia or Ukraine. Check out a recent bill introduced in Congress: DATE: 20140330 CLASSIFICATION: PRIVATE [Paid-up Liberty Alert Subscribers ONLY] Right now Congress is rushing to push forward a bill to provide $1 billion in loan guarantees to Ukraine, as the US government has taken sides in a conflict on the other side of the world. In addition to financial support, the government has also frozen assets and revoked visas of targeted Russian officials. Not much is thought of this back home when the victims are labeled as the "bad guys"--but we are increasingly seeing the same government tools being used domestically for its own citizens... THE DUMBEST LAW/POLICY INITIATIVE OF THE WEEK Introducing the H.R. 4223: The International Conflicts of Concern Act1 , a bill that would ban Americans from traveling to countries of "concern" and impose a prison sentence of up to 20 years for traveling to them without first getting a government license to do so. In addition, it would impose steep penalties for giving material support to any group in that country. Thus while the government dishes out taxpayer money to Ukraine, it might soon make sending even the smallest sum of money to a country in conflict a federal crime. As expected with a bill related to terrorism, it would also further authorize the U.S. government to keep close track of who exactly is traveling to the countries in question and when they return. This law isn't just dumb... it's terrifying. And it is just another example of the advent of 'people controls'--the government limiting your freedom of movement and telling you where you can or can't go. Following the example of China and Cuba during the heights of communist rule. Right now they are using the excuse of Syria, counting on the tried and true tactic of playing on people's fear of terrorism, but this could be easily expanded to other countries of the government's choosing. In fact it's as simple as having the President assert that 1) "foreign terrorist organizations" are engaged in conflict there or 2) that "it is in the U.S. national security to restrict travel by any U.S. national to the country". The burden of having a US passport could be severely heightened overnight. Just on the say so of the President. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/1/2014 11:13:36 PM   https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr4223 This source claims a low chance of it being enacted,,,, but who knows these days?! I was hoping this was a April Fools joke. durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/2/2014 4:09:30 AM   Hysteria Alert (R) (TM) bowler, I appreciate your vigilance on behalf of liberty. However, the source you quoted is poor. For example, the statements that the bill "would impose steep penalties for giving material support to any group in that country" or could "make sending even the smallest sum of money to a country in conflict a federal crime" are flat wrong. The bill requires a license for a US national "to provide material support to ENTITIES THAT ARE ENGAGED IN ARMED CONFLICT in such country" (my emphasis added). This does NOT apply to your overseas girlfriend -- unless she is engaged in armed conflict! As a concrete example, the bill would not required a license would to send money to the Syrian Red Crescent (a charitable aid organization), even though it designates Syria as a country of concern. The argument that the list "could be easily expanded to other countries of the government's choosing" is worth pondering, and hopefully would be discussed if the bill gets any serious attention. How likely is it, that a president is going to claim that a country has foreign terrorist groups engaging in armed conflict there, if no such thing is happening? I wonder if that could get a bit awkward politically. By the criteria of the bill, I suppose that Russia could be listed, or at least might have been in recent years because of activities in the Caucasus. In contrast, even if Russia invades Ukraine and Ukrainians wage bloody partisan attacks against Russian occupation, that would not meet that language of "foreign terrorist organizations." If Ukraine becomes a war zone, travel there will get trickier with our without this bill. durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/2/2014 4:11:30 AM   PS On principle, I wish the powers of the US president were far less than they are today. There have been many unconstitutional expansions (going right back to George Washington!) but congress often bends over backward to puff up the president's powers even more. Madness. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Searching in Ukraine or Russia may require US Government License
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