I have been on the site for some months now, guess what? It is very hard to stay online receiving answers from men asking you to make sex with them.
Men I have had the chance to talk with are rude, Almost want me by force with really nervous manners to give my contact if I feel afraid and I would like to think because I dont like his manner of approach then, directly I am a scammer. You know what? I prefer to be called this way. Then give my email to someone like that. Who knows what can happen next. So it is preferably to stop talking with.
I do agree in the site there is no way for a man or a woman to pretend that they know each other except by meeting face to face. Well I prefer to wait and see how the man behave I am prettty sure that a nice man is easy to recognize.
Janne I am guessing from this post and your other post you are using Anastasiadate or Dream Marriage? In most cases it's fake correspondence so you are communicating with a site operator and you're paying for it. The other option if the ladies are real they still want you to communicate through the site because they are being paid.
Anastasiadate places help wanted ads "Get paid for chat" to attract their female members and they don't care if they have boyfriends or husbands or whatever. It's what's known as a scam agency.
You are absolutely right about genuine girls wanting to protect themselves from sex pests and scammer paranoids. It is the latter's problem, not the girls' if they suspect everybody and want contact details from the first message. In the dating site I use many girls put it in their profile that they will not give their personal contact details to anybody who asks for them. And this is an agency where you do not pay a penny extra for access to the girls or correspondence or chat online.
Some girls have shown me the appalling messages that they get from some men: calling them prostitutes, sending them hardcore porn pictures, pictures of their member, etc.
The thing is that men in these forums lead others, especially newbies, to believe that all the problems are with the agencies and bad girls; some men here say that they are ALL scammers, when they do not see that they themselves are part of the problem. I wonder how many men in this forum, who are always saying bad things about FSU women, have done the things I describe above.
I never give my "official email address" to girls, I give them my hotmail address.
I suppose FSU girls are smart enough to do so as well !
So I dont buy the idea that they are worried about "stalkers".
I have had email since 1994 and find it hard to believe that FSU girls in 2014
still would have a problem finding a computer to send email..
Janne - yes all the girls have email, Skype w/video, Facebook, VK, etc.
Don't you understand? The agency is telling them to only communicate with you via the site so that you buy credits to communicate with them. They are also being paid from what I understand $8 per hour which is good for Ukraine.
You have been told that it is not that they do not have access to a PC to send email. It is a simple matter of if they do not want to give you their email address, tough for you.
If they see you do not respect their wishes and concerns from the beginning how do you expect them to want to get involved with someone who does not respect them? You have to EARN their trust. And, in fact, it is a good thing as the genuine girls are not afraid to lose your contact, if you are difficult, which the scammers will not do. The latter will want to keep the contact, at any cost, and promise you things like sex the first time they 'meet' you so long as you are there to extract money from you.
It took me months to get the girl I am talking to to give me her contact details. Once she decided to do it, she gav me her email address, skype, phone number, home address, the lot.
I am using not Army of bride. Only registered there but that is not the matter.I am pretty sure I guess I am not an Oracle that even in Anastasiadate there are such men . Guess why ? The nature has the answer.
It is very great that you have the desire to create a second email. This is your choice.
See, it is already proving how you are not even serious when you are giving you so called <<Email>>
Because I guess by given your second email you are still putting the girl in some kind of test seeing if she can deserve to contact you by your own personal email next. See , we ( men female) all need to get a ray of trust no matter which situation in life. Guess why? Because we all in the Earth, are different, and have heard, endure, or suffer or have one of our relative or friend, suffering from one or other stupidity that someone else put them in. It is called instinct.
You are free to decide to give your second or your third email to the girl you would like to correspond as the girl is free to wait and get to know you to give you then, not her third, nore her second not her third but her only and One number phone and email, Guess why because after she got in trust and faith with . We girl I mean girl I have grown with, where I am from the way I have been educated don't test anymore. But somehow there always bad moment when we get hurts but once we trust we are able to accept the bad because it is already part of the partner. Because like I said before : we are all different in the Earth
“Why do the not wish to email directly?”
Email is old school, and not safe (could be used to send you email spam or marketing ) no we have whatsapp or Russian FB messenger.
Also adding to the gentlemen above me:
You could be hitting on a pretty and smart woman under 30 with or without a child. Out of your league? She gets hit by older and younger guys from other countries as well, like Russia, turkey and those Arabic countries. For them, Ukraine is a cheap paradise. And for those women is raining men.
Last April, while in Ukraine, I noticed cheap Chinese smart phone and tablets for less than $100.00 USA, so if they don’t want to video chat outside the agency channels is because they are not interest in you.
Janne you miss the point. My wife would not give me her e mail address until I had arrived in Ukraine and spent a few weeks and found we were compatible. That is the beauty of fiance.com (where I met my wife), they dont charge you a per letter fee. I mean its what ? $250 for 6 months? You will spend that every week when you go about bringing your fiancee back to the states. If $250 each 6 months will kill you, you are wasting your time imagining you can afford to complete this endeavor.
I see a big difference between how people think in different parts of the world.
None of the girls I know here (at my job for example) have an email address that reveals their full name.
They have emails like "Linda85@..." for example.
There is no reason to have the full name as email address !
Telephone numbers are different. If a girl gets stalkers phoning her night and day it can be a nightmare.
That is why girls give their email address to guys they meet, and not their phone number.
Emails are easier to block or just ignore.
So I am not buying that FSU girls need to communicate for months via Agency before they "trust"
a man enough to use email...
The words from TomZ makes more sense, especially since I notice that girls find it very hard to give a good explanation about why they cannot use email.
I guess agencies are becoming more desperate since people all over the world are using smartphones, and dating services are free of charge on Internet (sponsored by advertisements).
We have "dating agencies" here as well, on the Internet. But people use them for FINDING people, not communicating.
Once two people have made contact, they exchange email addresses and communicate outside the dating site.
"250 for 6 months?" At only one FSU dating/ agency site !!! That is absurd! Doesn't matter if you got deep packets. With diligence, a few responds could be achieved, and by the end of your monthly subscription, a few connections out the agency or dating site could had been stablished. If no positive results had occurred! ,,, move on to another site and try again. This is a risky business, so do like a portfolio mgr and spread your chances. Once at the time, player...multiple sites at once is also absurd and those girls could be in multiple sites too.
Trust, is earn but watch out for those playing "hard to get" they are time wasters period.( sshhhhhh maybe she is already committed but keeping her options wide open ).
If you want to find a girl who will just do as you say, go and find a Filipina or Thai girl. Other men in this forum, and elsewhere, say they go for them as they obey you without questioning you. Although I doubt all of them do it.
moyarishka : each agency or 'website' as some like to call them is different. Some are dishonest, some are honest, some operate somewhere in between. It's hard to generalize and say all agencies are like this.
Wifeseeker (and some others..):
Why on earth would I pay to write letters, when email is free ???
To ask a girl for her email address is not like asking her to be my slave !!
All I want is direct communication, knowing that there is no agency filtering my messages
,and the simplicity of using email instead of having to log on to a site just to send a message...
I understand that agencies are figthing to survive now when people can use online translation and dont need an agency as a middle hand between people.
I have asked girls about how these agencies work, but they seem afraid of telling.
And at the other end there are men who are afraid of challenging the system, and happily pay 100s of dollars just to write letters..
So now it is because you are tight fisted and cannot be bothered to go to the site to meet your ladies. I can see now how much you will bother to go and see them in their country. Listen to yourself again: the ladies have to put themselves at risk to suit your needs. Is this how you intend it to be if you marry one of them?
And you do not even know there are many types of agencies to suit from squanderers to the most tight fisted. I have paid only a monthly fee in my agency and I can send and receive a zillion messages through the agency messaging service. I never pay extra to read or write messages plus they have instant chat.