Let's put this in Layman's term, have a solid potential to get what you want out of that introduction.
Example: For my last trips to Ukraine and , it was to " close the deal" = get married. It fail.
For my next endeavors it will be to establish a relationship = connect, meet up and " lay in the hay".
People,
Now why people come to FSU to meet up with escorts/ protitudes? It blows my mind!!! Wouldn't be cheaper to walk into Your local strip club and be a hero?!
By the way, how do you know it that woman wasn't at one time a prostitude? Have you at one time pay for sex?
"Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."
R4G are you f'n kidding me? $25 doesn't even turn the lights on. Do you know how expensive office rental space is in the centre of Kiev? Guys don't want to go the suburbs. They want the office right there in the centre.
I tell you what you do Rick. You open an office and see if you can charge $25.
Yeah these agencies are charging more because they are recognizing their worth. Many relationship, marriages and families have been born as a result of their introductions.
Sure not all agencies are good but you have to try a few to find out which ones are.
kaiserdag let me get this right. You want the agency to make a guarantee that you'll get married and if you don't you will want a refund for the money you paid for the introduction?
You remind me of a guy who paid for an introduction. The girl didn't like him so he not only asked the agency for the money back for the introduction but for the money he spent on taxi, restaurant, etc. He wanted the agency owner to give him this.
The guy was batshit nuts cheap. No wonder he couldn't get a woman.
Introduction! by default put you in the fail zone for anything that is not transactional. And the transaction is usually you paying for whatever you do.
Ukraine women are digital (1 or 0), they look at foreigners as either a provider or a lover. As soon you show up via introduction, website , agency etc... you are a provider.
If you want to be a lover, you need to go and do it on your own the same way you would do it at home. I should add, it's not by announcing that you are looking for a wife that you will qualify as a lover.
TomZ wrote: "R4G are you f'n kidding me? $25 doesn't even turn the lights on. Do you know how expensive office rental space is in the centre of Kiev? Guys don't want to go the suburbs. They want the office right there in the centre.
actually no Tom, Im NOT kidding. My friend has an agency office 2 blocks up from the McDonalds on the Maidan. Doesnt get any more center of the city.
She charges $40 for members of the agency(6 months+) and $50 for those with less than 6 months. If I asked it would be $25
She offers old school type matchmaking from $350-600 also.(its been a couple years since I inquired on price for someone) She takes your truthful answers and makes a profile. You choose 5 girls and she chooses 5 girls.
information is exchanged to all prospects involved to see if all parties are interested. eventually through communication(up to 12 weeks) the list is reduced to 5 quality prospects. Once you arrive, you will get 5 introductions in office, all for the flat fee. It was from that process i got 2 very good
girls. One was the doctor who eventually returned to Ukraine and another a shop owner of which i screwed up by not fully engaging because of my young part-timer of 4 years.
The fact remains that even in Kyiv $100 is extreme for a single introduction. I guarantee you with the current economic situation the only ones charging that are the ones that need your $100 to survive another week.
Scanning through some of the dating sites, I do see one with a $100 USD introduction fee (includes one hour of translation time) with a lady of your choice. The other charges (translation time beyond one hour, lodging and restaurant reservations, travel assistance, etc.) are optional.
As far as office intro's I know little. But last time a few years back it was $20 intro at café or where ever meeting was arranged. In an office they were $40 and THE SILLY IMBRA PAPERWORK.
I do remember a couple years ago I stopped into an agency in Odessa. I looked through a few pic albums and asked about one girl. I was told it was a $100 intro fee!!! I asked if that included dinner!!!)))) Ridiculous!!
Now that mind is working again.....I visited a lady's(friend of a friend)agency in Odessa. I think many clients are on HRB. She told me intro's to girls were $50 and $40 if spoke already on HRB site. Another 'matchmaker' lady ( good friend) in Odessa charges $60 for intro's and $70 if girl is from another agency( but on her site).
"kaiserdag let me get this right. You want the agency to make a guarantee that you'll get married and if you don't you will want a refund for the money you paid for the introduction?"
1.. nothing is guarantee in this world and even less in Ukraine.
2.. when I said earlier about the "REFUND" I was bringing up a point. Accept, that once your money leave the wallet, it will not RETURN.
3.. I will not waste time arguing a lost case. Having common sense and situation awareness; even though, is rare this days is still very useful.
I haven't got the opportunity to walk into an agency. But a $100 charge to meet up at least 5 ladies and guarantee they will show up for an interview, sounds like a good idea for my plan B or C.
I went to explore the POSSIBILITY OF not the GUARANTEE OF serious relationship leading to MARRIAGE.
beemer18 "I do remember a couple years ago I stopped into an agency in Odessa. I looked through a few pic albums and asked about one girl. I was told it was a $100 intro fee!!! I asked if that included dinner!!!))))"
ha ha that's funny.
That'd be like me going into a shop to buy a shirt and asking the sales clerk, If I buy the shirt does it include dinner?
I think Rick must be referring to DB and Oksana. She's been good, she's a little more expensive than that now but perhaps knows Rick well. 1 meeting this week, nice date, nothing further, but would be happy to recommend.
TomZ - If N finds out you are a wealthier client she tries to coerce you into a marriage guarantee of a substantial amount.
kaiserdag - I couldn't get any more details other than - We have a special meeting room. We will bring the lady in, if she likes you it can continue outside.
the price is whatever they think they can charge. I would venture that not many would pay the 100 and take there business elsewhere. I imagine a good number of men have already spent more with an agency before they arrive. For example on this site you pay to contact and so forth, a portion of that money goes to the agency then when you arrive they will still charge an introduction fee.
This forum made me curious and I have gone against my original statement in the post.
So I bit the bullet and paid the 100 Euro. At least then I can give real feedback right?
The front girl tries to sell me other introductions and a week package. No.
She is beautiful but not dressed for a date (like someone genuinely interested would be). We talk for 10 minutes and it is agreed to walk down to Buddha Bar and have an early dinner.
It's pleasant. I don't even ask for her number at the end. We spend 3 hours at Buddha Bar, she's mostly sucking on a Hookah. I'm downing G&T's. It was a pretty unpleasant day in Kiev so it was a decent way to spend the evening.
Elena's office is at 23 Sofievskaya St. Its about a block from daisybride
TomZ, you are thinking of kiev connections owned by Brett (American) in the same building as notaries. not far from Maidan, about 6 blocks. Around the corner from Beer Dream. He has girl working there, Tanya. really cute! I think they do matchmaking in same system as Elena does for about same price.
I may not use the agencies but I know most of them ;) I lived in Kiev for a few years.
TomZ - exactly right. I did not like her enough to ask for her number or follow up. And yes, I or anyone else here would never have a chance with someone like that back home. It's why we come to Ukraine right? To bat out of our league.
R4G - I thought that was just a model agency? Yunona?