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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Racism and xenophobia in one of Nikolaev cafes Author Post Armin(Bonddd) Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/21/2015 3:15:11 PM   Hi guys, if you ever been to Nikolaev in Ukraine you are bound to know "Sotka" shop and "Sotka" bar inside it. It is situated in the very centre of Nikolaev and most of the arrangements to meet in the centre are made outside "Sotka". The bar is popular as they smoke there (which is prohibited by the law in Ukraine). The meals are so-so and often of spoiled products. People usually go there for a coffee with a cigarette or some alcohol. But now it is famous for it's weird face control. The owner of the bar was once offended by a Turk. They say his wife got laid with him. So now any person of not Slavic appearance might be denied to be served and this is even written on their menu. Of course this is a criminal offence in Ukraine, but the owner is a former mp and has influential friends. Right now this story went public on the TV and online. There is hope the owner will be punished. So if you are against the racism stay clear of "Sotka". threading_signals Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/21/2015 6:08:19 PM   Not necessarily racism, which tends to be about skin color, but of being against a certain ethnicity. Unfortunately in the Middle East and other areas, being against certain ethnicities is often mixed with being radicalized against religions not their own. Studies on trust have shown that black people can be discriminated against by children. I won't get into the details here. Turks aren't black but due to their common religion, they're less gracious toward women, and thus married women as well. Studies on diminishing domestic violence has shown that teaching children of both sexes to get along with each other when they're younger helps. Of course, accidents and certain schemes can happen if people group together and are against another ethnicity. I personally sympathize with the owner, even though I'm asian, because the Turk did what was dirty. Then the question for me is, what if it was another non-Turk Ukrainian? But that is his home. He gets to choose in matters regarding kinship and friendship, not others who want to play eugenicist. I'll be weary of the Sotka area though. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/21/2015 10:39:29 PM   “The bar is popular as they smoke there (which is prohibited by the law in Ukraine).” Is that law enforced anywhere in Ukraine?? I can’t recall seeing any “ No Smoking” signs in the places that I have been in. Most places where I have had breakfast were smoke free,,,, dinner would have a few people smoking,,, and supper or at a bar had a majority smoking. MartinPC Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/22/2015 1:51:30 AM   When I walk in to a shop or market here often the price of things goes up based on my skin colour. When I was with my ex, particularly when we were buying white man's food (potatoes), I would hide around the corner whilst she went asking for price. About a month ago, when I had a girl here, when I asked the price of potatoes in the market the price was PHP120 per kilo, when she asked the price was PHP100 per kilo :) dcguy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/22/2015 2:10:17 AM   You can negotiate prices in most Asian markets. You should be able to do so in the USA too, but it is only used in certain arenas, like buying a car or a house. TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/22/2015 2:22:04 AM   "So now any person of not Slavic appearance might be denied to be served and this is even written on their menu." Do you have proof? Take a pic and post it please. Armin(Bonddd) Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/22/2015 4:44:22 AM   Smoking in public places is prohibited by the law since January 2013. Most of the cafes and restaurants obey but some don't. I Nikolaev they don't care about it in Sotka, City Center and Monarkh. In some bars they smoke water pipes (which is also illegal). Speaking about racism, there were complaints about being denied for servicing from Turks, Arabs, Armenian, Azeri and African guys. And the waiters insisted that they don't service people with dark or black skin. Isn't that racism? The scandal went public after a local deputy (who was of Armenian origin) was told that his ethnicity was the reason of not being serviced at the bar. After that reporters from Nikolaev and Kiev made investigations and revealed more facts. The proofs are in Russian and Ukrainian. The denies were filmed on the camera. If you understand Russian and Ukrainian here are some reports about it https://news.pn/ru/public/123116 this is from local online news website. http://ru.tsn.ua/ukrayina/v-nikolaeve-v-bare-otkazalis-obsluzhivat-nerusskih-kli entov-405225.html this is a TV report on one of central channels of Ukraine, there is a filmed proof where the waitress refuses to service the client because of his ethnicity. MartinPC Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/22/2015 4:47:49 AM   They banned smoking in public buildings in Netherlands but Amsterdam Airport lost so much business they said "f*ck it" and allowed smoking in designated areas of the airport. dcguy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/22/2015 1:02:03 PM   One of the profile on this site said that she smokes a hookah (a form of water pipe). I saw a Hookah store when I was in Florida last year. http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/quit-smoking/expert-answ ers/hookah/faq-20057920 durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/22/2015 4:36:05 PM   WHAT GOOGLE TURNED UP This November 9th posting, on a site that seems to be for news and events in Nikolaev: http://nikvesti.com/news/incidents/61213 This sites two postings, both authored by women, from another Ukrainian website. Here is my translation of the first-cited story, apparently from November 8: "Hello, I wanted to share with you the situation of racial discrimination in the Nikolaev Restaurant Sotka. Recently Sotka began face control. Today at 3 PM my husband and I decided to drink coffee as we have done before in Sotka, but the waiter refused service -- not exactly to us, but to my husband. When we asked why, we were not given an answer. Later on we understood from comments, that this was because my husband was Arab. We were dressed properly. And also I found online that this is not the first time this happened: just yesterday they refused to serve an American black man." The nikvesti posting goes on to cite the story that had been posted the day before (November 7): "For me a very unpleasant manifestation of racism against Afro-Americans in our city (she ended this sentence with an angry face emoticon) The incident took place in the bar Sotka, where my husband and his work colleagues went to celebrate an event. In their company was an Afro-American, a member of the firm. A guard approached him and asked him to leave, as he "did not pass face-control". The guy was dressed decently... Shame on the bar Sotka and its owners!!!" Rick4girl Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/22/2015 9:55:09 PM   shame on Sotka bondel Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/25/2015 7:35:42 AM   some shocking racism or is it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqqVHfK1w5c Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Racism and xenophobia in one of Nikolaev cafes
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