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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > UKRAINE WOMEN ON DATING SITES ARE MATERIALISTIC & DO NOT WANT TO WORK Author Post Tommy2015 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/1/2015 5:09:47 AM   UKRAINE WOMEN ON DATING SITES ARE MATERIALISTIC & DO NOT WANT TO WORK (1) I not saying all are like this, but alot of the ones I met online are sure like this. I been chatting with hundreds of ladies from Ukraine over the last 4 months and I noticed many things, one thing I have noticed is that on average not all but on average they seem very materialistic and yet do not want to work, many talk of traveling and like to do a lot of traveling in the future yet they do not even have a job and the ones that do have jobs are making like $70 a month. I read on a lot of forums hearing guys who have lived in Ukraine a long time and they noticed similar and reported similar findings to what I am saying here today. www.naughtynomadforum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1396 http://www .romancescam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=58063 I know more than a few guys on this site who have complained about having girl friends who do not want to work and were materialistic as well. I mean what a lethal combination, to have and like all these material things, but not willing to work… How does she expect to buy them? So many of my pen pals girls are impressed with brand names and expensive things, and this is from girls who have no jobs or savings and do not know what their future will be like even. I was chatting with one lady on skype and she took along time to respond to my questions like a few minutes, but when the topic came to cars and what here favorite cars were things changed, I went to the bath room and while I was in the bath room I kept hearing beeping noises of new messages every 5 seconds which means she was suddenly sending me new messages ever 5 seconds, I thought to myself I wonder what she is so excited about, and when I got back to my pc, she was labeling all her favorite cars and the list ran from a movie star not an improvised girl from Ukraine… Royals Royce, Porches, Bentley, Ferrari etc… I was shocked to say the least. I noticed on many ladies vt face book website you can see the pictures they have saved while on there vt account, some ladies have saved hundreds of pictures and a lot of the pictures are very materialistic like tons of pictures of bmw, expensive liquor and wines, hand bags from Gucci, again all from girls who don’t have two cents to rub together. dcguy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/1/2015 9:32:26 PM   Looking for a sugar daddy and a "free ride" in life. Only those with Lear Jets and yachts need apply. I have come across numerous profiles that say "I want to travel the world with my husband". She will be "your perfect wife" because you two will live the idyllic lifestyle of the rich and famous. High profile couple with a glamourous jet set life. As I said, nobody wants to go downward, only upward. There are very few "Mother Teresa types". But, I have come across a few who do seem to have rather simple expectations in life like working in an animal shelter and doing volunteer work. I prefer to find someone who can be a "handy person" and want to participate in "fix it" jobs. The vast majority of the profiles do not seem to be a good fit for that. They want to be your "girl on a pedestal" or "Model wife". Many also say how sociable they are with many friends and with a "wordly" perspective. This is fine, but I am not into taking someone away from such a "perfect environment" because I could never provide a suitable replacement for such a person. Better to leave it alone. TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/1/2015 9:51:48 PM   "she was labeling all her favorite cars and the list ran" what she was really saying here is I want my guy to be financially secure. Maybe she wasn't literally talking about the cars but ... A girl is not going to want to up and leave her country for some guy on welfare or a minimum wage job. It really depends on the girl. The more ostentatious she is the more financially demanding she will be. Just keep that in mind when you're making your selections. If you don't have a high income - choose a simple girl. There are plenty of them in the FSU if you look hard enough. Rick4girl Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/1/2015 11:14:53 PM   Its difficult to find a girl through agency that is not materialistic. Who wouldn't want the finer things in life if possible? Its easy to spoil one of these girls but difficult to reign them in if you give too much too early. YOU have to dictate the standard. You must do it early on in the relationship. Personally, because I play with the young ones, it is easy to set up an unsustainable path of giving to get to the intimate relationship. My current GF wants to come to USA for college and guess who would pay? We arent to that level yet for me to make what is basically a "lifetime" commitment to her nor do I think she is to me Other girls may have unrealistic expectations if you don't spell things out in the beginning of the relationship. They automatically think that if you are western then you are rich. Tommy2015 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/1/2015 11:44:29 PM   art 2 I also noticed I chat with girls and all is fine, but as soon as I ask them about goals or what they would like to do if they come to my country they answer very defensively or do not even understand the question since the thought of working in the west does not even occur to many… A very small minority of the ladies that do want to work have very unrealistic goals about jobs, and want to be singers or models or are big time gold diggers. http://elenasmodels.com/Home/MemberProfile/?Id=E7302543&target =_blank http://elenasmodels.com/Home/MemberProfile/?Id=E6238841&target=_blan k I also noticed a lot of women wanting to meet rich men,…. The way they say it makes me sick to my stomach reading the profiles. http://russian-personals.com/profile?id=582994 This girl above had this on your profile, but then erased it all probably do to negative comments by men reading it. Self description: “Please read the profile!! ! I want to meet a man for life! A tall, well-groomed, rich (yes, the rich, very very rich). one who can change life and make me happy! I do not care that you have a good sense of humor, or are kind! important for me to be near by strong and successful man, whom I will love! Do not contact me if you can not to provide your woman beautiful rich life! we have enough of these men in Russia” I found like 50 profiles like the ones above, now they are the worst ones mind you, but I find many say this on their profiles then change it latter when they receive bad comments from men. I also find women in there 20’s are the worst. But if you go to women that no other guy would touch in Ukraine, really desperate women like women 35 to 50 with 2 kids that some of these women are more realistic and are willing to help their future husbands but I am 40 and a 50 year old lady in Ukraine looks like a grand mother already, plus having no kids myself why would I want to raise another mans kids???? I find women in Asia like Philippines are far better women, not materialistic, actually want to work, many have asked me if I could find them a job so they could help there families back home, contrast this to women in Ukraine, were one girl who is a book keeper and I became friends with, I told her that I could not fill one position in my company, and that I could bring her to my country and give her a job and I could pay her 50 times her current salary to help her, give her private free accommodation in her own condo as well and she seemed almost offended by the idea of it, I guess she wanted to come to the west and just travel and go shopping without working. I sure hope someone would offer me a path to citizenship in a nice country with higher living standards then my current country and a wage increase of 50 fold…. I would kiss their feet. There are so many materialistic women in Ukraine compared to Asian countries, maybe 20 fold more… Just tonight on skype my number one girl after an hour of chatting I asked a few questions and found out she does not want to work at all, and instead just wants to go for walks, go to gym, study Italian language etc… Some have even told me they do not even want to cook, and the guy can help even with this. I think this thinking of not wanting to work or doing the minimal for working goes back to soviet days, were no matter how little or good you did in a job everyone was paid the same anyways, so why even try? I know women who work in Ukraine, but for some reason the ones that look for foreigners on the dating websites seem to be the lazy ones. They complain their last Ukraine boy friend did not want to marry them and found another girl, of course not since they knew the girl did not want to work and if the guy is making $70 a month he expects his wife to help, once he found out she did not want to work he refused to marry her and found a different girl, and instead used her for a cum catcher)))) So now this lazy girl who can’t fool a smart Ukraine man now is looking for a dumb foreigner to enable her to retire…. If you ask her why she wants to marry a foreigner she will say, “Ukraine man no good and cheats with other women, drink to much” etc, she has to say something, she not goanna say “Ukraine men to smart to fool and know I lazy and do not want to work, so I will trick dumb foreigner to marry me so he can be my slave” In every country in the world 10% of the population is lazy and do not want to work, in the west a lazy woman can marry a doctor, can pregnant from any guy to get child support and also welfare or other such programs. Since there is no child support or welfare or social assistance in Ukraine for the lazy women their they have to do what they can, and marry a foreigner is the best since average foreigner that goes to Ukraine makes 10 times what an average doctor in Ukraine can make even. That’s why the dating sites are filled with lazy materialistic women, since it is there best option. Don’t forget if 10% of the women are to lazy to work, that makes millions looking for a slave man to take care of them if you look at the size of the population there is millions of Women in Ukraine looking for a way so they do not have to work, and that best way is meet a dumb foreigner. Plus a lot of guys get to Ukraine and meet ladies through agencies with their interrupters, be prepared to be sucked dry as they attempt to take you on shopping spree’s and fancy restaurants to bleed you dry))))) There adds on dating sites of Ukraine women should read “LOOKING FOR SLAVE MAN” I not sure if I even goanna go to Ukraine now, since I can go in oct for a few months and why go to a cold country close to winter when I can go to Philippines were it is warm and cheaper and the girls are more realistic and want to work with there husbands for a common future. This is just my observations. < TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/2/2015 6:50:23 PM   This goes back to my previous point. If you don't have the finances to support a "fine babe" then choose a simple girl. For example elenasmodels.com/Home/MemberProfile/?Id=E7302543 You want this girl to work? You send her to work every guy will hit on her and her customers will hit on her. So you should be rich so she stays at home with you and doesn't have to go to work. The last thing you want to do is bring back a fine "mail order bride" and have her swept away with a guy with better finances. Think with your head people and quit bitching because you don't have enough finances to retain one of these fine babes. I'm talking to you Tommy. Tommy2015 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/2/2015 6:50:46 PM   Here is one lady I was chatting with awhile, and this is what is on her VK page, you can see all her saved video’s and saved pictures on her vk page, what she searched for and what she liked and saved for viewing latter, and it all shows of wanting power and materialism, and all this from a wanna be model who is unemployed and does not want to work. By viewing the pictures she saved you can see what she likes and what is really in her mind, it shows she has hopes of the best foods, trips, jewelry, exotic cars, fine liquors, I never seen anything like this before. You think from ladies from an improvised country they would want the simple life or simple things, on no, In Asia ladies are not so materialistic. Saved video’s http://vk.com/videos112843659?section=all Saved Pictures http://vk.com/album112843659_000 Rick4girl Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/2/2015 10:28:38 PM   Yes Tom, that Yulia is a cutie but in Ukraine she is average. I dont think she seriously thinks she will be rich and famous but she must start somewhere. If she can be a middle class housewife who vacations twice a year then she will likely be happy. once you get through all the BS of the desperate girls and scammers then you have several to choose that simply want a more comfortable life and half of those are willing to work. Finding them in this current environment is your challenge! Good luck guys moyarishka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/4/2015 7:52:16 AM   Tommy2015, now show us your picture so we could understand why only philipines girls want you :) BILLY.HILL. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/4/2015 10:02:45 PM   X CREMENT That's not true of all Ukrainian girls. Do you have something against Ukrainians? In my experience, All Ukrainian people were much nicer and far more honest than Russian people, most Russians paint Ukrainians as liars and thieves (though not at the moment as Putin would have us all think they are there Brothers) Also, most girl like these cars as they do not see a lot of normal cars on the road there. Drive around, it's all Hummers, BMW etc bough with corrupt money, or rust bucket old Russian car which look like rubbish. Average people either do not have cars or just have rubbish cars. Last time I was there, maybe 2009, cheap quality cars were starting to be seen, but not many. northkape Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2015 7:35:29 AM   This is all BS In general you won't find harder working women anywhere in the world than those from the FSU (and especially Ukraine, in my opinion) I have been married for 14 years to a young beautiful Ukraine woman before divorcing, and now married again with another young Ukraine woman 5 months ago. During these years I have met and talked with at least 100+ FSU women who are married and living in the western world. Almost all of these, were hard working, ambitious women,,, often with good careers in their new country,, and several of them making more money than me. Except for a few cases were their men didn't want them to work, unlucky souls in my opinion, because these are generally women that don't want to sit at home. I looked at your Ksenia,,, http://vk.com/album112843659_000 Looks to me,, like a normal healthy young Ukraine woman... How can you expect any FSU woman, even older ones, to have the faintest idea about what is possible for them in a totally different western world at some point in the future. They are used to a life where you have to struggle hard to make it to the next day, a life with an always pessimistic outlook on the future, where nothing is ever trusted before it actually is in their hands. "Materialistic" phew!! maybe in the eyes of us living in the western world,, yes,, For them it is symbols of "glory" in an out of reach reality, things young women (and men) in the FSU fancy dreaming about. In my opinion, so many western men, simply don't understand the FSU culture and their difference in thinking about life in general. My former wife had a great career already at 23 (with 20+ employees below her) when we married, and a great career here in Norway after our boys were in kindergarten, today an auditor in the Norwegian Justice Department. For my present wife (33), I'm already helping her set up her own business, to open next week. (She was a self employed small business owner outside Kiev when we met in March 2014) Just had to get her familiar with driving a car here first. I paid for her to take a drivers license in Kiev last summer, but she had no actual driving experience outside of that. So I bought her an old USD 1000,- car, to learn with, that she is totally ecstatic about having. Having a car and the freedom it provides is opening a "new life" for her. I also gave her USD 200,- in cash and a credit card with access to my account when we arrived here in February. But she don't want to be given money, so she still haven't touched it. Instead she has done a couple of small customer jobs, earning USD 2-300,- which is all she has used for herself and her daughter at 13 in these 4 months. Luckily they are the same size and share wardrobe, and she is fantastic at designing and sewing dresses, making new clothes for both of them every week. Now she is dying to get started with her own business and earn her own money again. This kind of behavior is typical for all FSU women I have ever met with. Hard working, wanting to be independent, frugal with spending and love shopping for the best deal,,,,, 4re_geo Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/6/2015 2:47:49 PM   NK, I've read your story with interest. I respect a guy who provides his story with full disclosure including pictures. I understand that you're a stand-up guy and can take criticism, so here it goes. I think you live an illusion and there's nothing wrong as long as it makes you happy, life's too short after all. To an outsider, your story goes like this: you married a young Ukraine hotty, stayed married for 10+ years, had two kids, helped her get education, stand up on her own feet, learn the language, assimilate in your country, get a job, make money, and then she dumped you. Then immediately after she dumped you, you traced your steps back, went to Ukraine again, and got married to another young hotty. Time worked against you in your first marriage and is likely to work against you even more in your second. The clock is ticking. I believe everything you said about how eager your new wife is to stand up on her own two feet (didn't the first one do the same?), I just have a different interpretation and truly hope I am wrong. The urge to get a new business going and make her own income as admirable as it sounds is also a cry for independence. Independence is a good thing. But you're 60 something and she's early thirties. Do you think five ten years from now, she will settle changing your diapers? especially after she and her daughter have citizenship in your country and can support themselves? Sorry for being so blunt. As I said, you're a likable guy and I wish you the very best. TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/7/2015 9:53:37 AM   Hey at least he had a hottie for 10+ years. If he had done nothing he would have had nothing. This goes back to my previous point that WifeSeeker criticized me for. I said some people trade in their car every 3-4 years and get a new one. Then I said what's wrong with doing that with a woman? If the relationship goes sour just get a newer fresher one. Marriages very seldom last for life anymore. Or you don't even have to get married. Just have a girlfriend. dcguy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/7/2015 1:09:24 PM   "Marriages very seldom last for life anymore." If this is the case, and since the divorce rate is about 50%, that would seem to be realized. Then just about every dating profile is a complete bogus lie since that all spout spending the rest of their life with you. That is every profile everywhere (for those 50%). 4re_geo Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/7/2015 3:14:33 PM   TomZ: I fully agree with your statement: "If the relationship goes sour just get a newer fresher one". But why marry her then? and even worse why bring her to your country? Divorce can be very expensive. Better to have her as a girlfriend and keep her/them over there. He's in a sweet spot as going there is a matter of a short flight from where he lives. He went back and forth searching for a woman several times and retained girlfriends for short periods during the process. It seems that he's not after getting a "newer fresher one" after a while. His attitude shows he wants someone for good but he admits it may not last for ever. For some reason, he wants to have the same woman next to him constantly and is willing to accept the risks. It's a matter of personality. If this makes him happy and he's comfortable that he will likely be dumped again, then he does the right thing. 4re_geo Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/7/2015 3:32:32 PM   Tommy: I have the same assessment. A Ukraine woman may live in a hut and eat meat once a week, but in order to relocate she'll look for a substantial (underscore substantial) improvement in lifestyle. Going from her hut to an apartment, working all day and taking care of older guy's kids is not what they look for. Actually, if you ask them whether they would like to work, it shows that you don't have the dough to support them. You can't blame them. This type of online romance between a 20-year old and a 40-year old is more of an arrangement. She puts her stuff out there and tries to attract willing bodies, then she selects. By the way, the girl on VK is young and pretty. From the pictures it is obvious this girl might be good for an arrangement if you can go there often. If you like her, go there with some gifts, see if you like each other and if she would like a sponsor. You will have to send her money from time to time and bring gifts each time you go there. She may have boyfriends when you're not there, but when you are there, she will drop them and come with you and behave as your girlfriend. It's a mutually beneficial trade if you can make frequent trips. If not, I'm sure you can do the same in your own country. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/7/2015 4:23:32 PM   I see. The "expert" brags of a gf that will probably last only 3-4 years. TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/7/2015 4:50:42 PM   Hey better 3-4 years than your nothing ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/7/2015 5:08:39 PM   More lies from stupid. How is it that you know so much about me that is wrong? ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/7/2015 5:15:37 PM   Is that what qualified you to be an expert? A gf that lasts 3-4 years? How long has she lasted so far? Will you be able to see it through? Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > UKRAINE WOMEN ON DATING SITES ARE MATERIALISTIC & DO NOT WANT TO WORK
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