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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > 10 Red flags when meeting Ukrainian women Author Post Armin(Bonddd) Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/6/2015 6:16:54 AM   These are some essential things and as for me they are obvious. However, all the time I meet men who don't see anything wrong in usual scammer technologies and are trapped and scammed. The things below don't mean that the woman you are corresponding with is a 100 per cent scammer. They mean that such a woman is definitely worth checking. 1. You received a letter first from a hot chick where she wants to get to know you better. It happens when you are registered on a dating site and your email can be given to individual girls who will start the hunt. The content of such letters is usually very similar to each other. 2. She is young (up to 25), beautiful and intelligent and she claims that all the men in Ukraine are useless freaks and alcoholics. And she can't find the normal one in Ukraine. 3. She doesn't want to give her skype, telephone number or email address (if you are on the agency site). 4. She says she doesn't have a proper Internet access (while communicating with you online), she says she can communicate only from the agency, friends', internet clubs, she doesn't have a computer and so on. 5. She says she doesn't speak English and offers an interpreting agency to translate the letters. Usually the company she offers charges 3-5 times more for translations than for example my bureau can offer. It means she gets the half of the money. 6. She insists to meet her only with her interpreter. It means she gets her interest from the interpreter. 7. She wants to study English and says there is a very good teacher. Check the price. Usually they give you 3-5 times more expensive price. 8. They don't want to meet in the city they are from. It means they don't want you to know where they actually live. 9. They don't give you links to their profiles on social networks or they say they don't have any. 10. They say they have fallen in love with you and they want to have sex with you after only a few letters between you. So guys, as soon as you see any of these flags, just stop, think a bit and check the girl. That will really save your time, money and nerves. kaiserdag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/6/2015 12:20:59 PM   # 2 not all true. Scammers can in all ages and educational degrees. Pictures could be real or stolen. When any woman talks/ writes sh!t about man to you... You better drop it like its, and run for your life. Trust me bro;) kaiserdag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/6/2015 12:36:30 PM   @ armin Wondering why you titled this "...Ukrainian women"? That's a red flag on you :) kaiserdag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/6/2015 12:45:25 PM   Sorry for posting again but I just want to drop this here. It applies to reading profiles and websites claims. “Foolish is the man who never reads a newspaper; even more foolish is the man who believes what he reads just because it is in the newspaper.”—August von Schlözer, German historian and writer (1735-1809). TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/6/2015 1:53:22 PM   Good advice Armin. The key is NEVER SEND MONEY under any circumstances with someone you are corresponding with. This will filter out the scammers. Never send gifts, money, nothing. Nada. Then when you do go see her, if she is real, be cheap on the meeting. This will filter out the pro-daters. Which reminds me of this girl I met in Kiev. She led me to an expensive restaurant near Maidan. Before we went into the restaurant I said to her, you can order whatever you want from the menu but what you order you have to pay for yourself. You should have seen the look of shock on her face. It was priceless. Needless to say we didn't continue the "date". Yes, I am cheap when it comes to these matters but it has paid off for me. I've avoided both scammers and professional daters. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/6/2015 10:07:39 PM   If I had posted what Armin did, I would be inundated with accusations, that I think “ALL” Ukrainians are scammers. K-dag,,, They do come in all ages, cities, and looks. A pretty girl thinks she can wrap a guy around her finger,,, while a poor looking girl can give a guy the impression that she is a safe bet. I thoroughly check out a girl before I write a letter. The thought of spending weeks or months writing letters to learn if she is sincere or not, doesn’t appeal to me anymore. kaiserdag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/7/2015 3:23:05 PM   After all this time, here is my opinion. There are many things going on and not enough time to play games. Mostly everyone is hooked up with somebody. She is chasing a guy that is probably married or have 20 others girlfriends or the other way around. You on the distance, you are 1/1M guys after 1 lady. Most people rather communicate with someone they met in person or through somebody. This show mentioned on which different ciscurtances they had met. Got a buddy who did a South African tour. Now he got a pretty got excuse to visit that continent again. I saw ithe pic and she is fine! Armin(Bonddd) Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/17/2015 3:36:30 PM   These are only some marks that show the scamm. There are much more. All the men need to identify is just some common sense. Armin(Bonddd) Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/17/2015 3:38:39 PM   ere is the way it usually happens when a man starts his search of a young and beautiful Ukrainian woman. First you google for a dating agency site or you find an advertisement or the advertisement finds you. No doubt you will come across the most popular sites which are the biggest scam residence. No matter whether it is free registration or you pay something, anyway you will pay for letters and video chats. As soon as you are there you will start receiving letters (you will have to pay for them) from fabulous beauties at their 20-s. All of them will be mad about you from the first sight and you will start spending your credits for sending forth and back similar writings about love, feelings and genuine intentions which are worth nothing. If you are smart enough you will leave them if not you will be scammed badly. OK, let’s imagine that you quit the agency site. When you register on the dating agency site they ask for your email address. Be ready that your address will be given to hundreds of gold diggers after you quit and you will start receiving letters with the text like: “Hi Darling, my name is …. and I found your address on the Internet. I am 20(21,22,23,23,25….) years old. I believe that the age isn’t something that can prevent people from loving each other bla-bla-bla… Let’s learn more about each other, I want to see your photos, here are my photos (a row of pics with a stunning model type beauty), I am looking forward to hearing from you soon.” Well, why not to trust them? You are only in your 40s, 50s, 60s and she is a gorgeous young model. Of course you have been made for each other. And they are writing in English. You start a close relation in your letters, but suddenly you receive a message, either from her or from an interpreting agency, and you find out that the poor thing doesn’t speak English and all the time she has been using services of a translation agency to communicate with you. And now she has run out of money to pay. Apparently you will offer to pay translation fees. Now you will get a receipt from a translation agency with some price. It will not be very expensive for you. Well, $100 or $300 or $500 a month. It is not too much to pay for true love, is it?The estimate your income and form the price individually. And no matter that such an agency has never existed and the fees they demand are 10 times higher than at a usual interpreting bureau in any Ukrainian city. We have never in our practice found the agencies mentioned in the issued receipts. However, the new, more and more intimate photos of the girl with standard phrases will make you pay. Next stage is education. Doesn’t she speak English? This is not a problem. There are dozens of English schools in every city. She will tell you that it is impossible to use interpreters all the time. She knows a very good English school or an English teacher. It won’t cost too much. Of course not, it will cost only 5 times more than good teachers and schools charge. Recently I had a client whose girlfriend asked for ˆ1.000 per month for her Norwegian classes. The man got a receipt from that most expensive school in Ukraine. After the check we found out that there wasn’t neither such school nor such teacher. We found a car repair garage at the address given in the receipt. Moreover, there were no teachers of Norwegian at all in that city. Money requests. Your girlfriend tells you that the situation is Ukraine is so bad and she is almost starving. She has a sick grandma, father at war, little sisters with no breakfast before school. She hardly earns $50 a month working hard at her job. She can’t afford even a night out in cheap cafe. Poor things. Although the situation in Ukraine is not so easy, most of the girls we checked had latest I-phones, wore designer cloths, visited fancy restaurants. Nobody is starving in Ukraine even in the war zone. But of course you will offer her your help. So this is the way when the woman doesn’t need to ask for money, she just puts you in a situation when you will offer it by yourself. This trick is for very intelligent women. Those who are not as clever will start asking giving the reasons above and more than that. What surprises me is that the men receiving women’s photos in latest fashion, wealthy looks, expensive furs, from good restaurants, in nice houses, still can’t just turn their logic on. Women of these looks just can’t be starving. Lies in details. It is not so difficult to see whether the woman lies or not. Everything is in the details. She gives you lots of them. Doesn’t she speak English? Check it! I had a client whose girlfriend told him she didn’t speak English at all. I went on her social profile and saw pictures of her as a teacher in an English class. I showed him the photos. He said he had seen them already!!! She told him she was a teacher of something but not English. But that was a classroom for English language which was obvious. The blackboard was filled with English phrases. The walls were in English posters. How a man could be so naive, not to say stupid? I found her students in her friend’s list and they confirmed she was their English teacher. So this is what we do first, we check the details. It might be hard for you. But for us in Ukraine everything is obvious. And here comes the last trick. They just deny. A scammer will never accept she is a scammer. Whatever you find out about her. Once we showed a man his girlfriend kissing passionately another man. With lips and tongue. He confronted her. She told him it was her beloved cousin and it is a usual kissing between cousins. And you know what, he believed her. The scammer know one thing – more obvious the lie is, easier they can convince that it is the truth. Sometimes men just can’t believe that a girl who has written him so many warm words of love can be a fake. They will introduce you to their parents, accep Armin(Bonddd) Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/17/2015 3:43:16 PM   Sometimes men just can’t believe that a girl who has written him so many warm words of love can be a fake. They will introduce you to their parents, accept your engagement ring, meet your family, plan future wedding. Who will care about the details after that? Who will see the lies so close and obvious? This is what happened with one of my client. He ended up scammed and frustrated trying to punish the girl who scammed him, his parents and his belief in women. By the way, never try to punish a scammer legally. You will spend years of useless efforts. I have never heard of a successful result. Just quit and don’t repeat the same mistakes. Take care guys, and check the woman before opening your heart and your wallet for her. For more articles and information visit our blog ukrainepa.wordpress.com dcguy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/17/2015 11:12:53 PM   As I have said before, I am not here to buy anyone's affections. It is always best to determine if the lady is genuine and serious. You can often verify the lady through online searching or through direct contact. As for being serious, that is often hard to determine without setting up "wiretaps" to the locations where the lady goes to on a daily basis or hiring a PI to tail her wherever she goes. One can easily become capricious in a relationship. It no longer "feels right" and we no longer are on the "same wavelength". No one is held responsible if it was just a game from the onset. Just like the shill adviser who says to to "invest for the future" and reap huge profits, but the only one benefiting is the adviser. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/18/2015 3:03:19 AM   " often hard to determine without setting up "wiretaps" " Learn Russian or Ukrainian,,, and don't tell anyone! And practice keeping a straight face!! Australia Man Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/29/2015 10:42:47 AM   another red flag to look out for is if you go to bed with your russian woman and wake up with a knife in your back and a rope around your neck -this is a definite sign something is wrong TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/29/2015 4:15:53 PM   Armin - you are in the business of making money from foreigners and so are the pro-daters. You just don't want them to make more than you. That's why you're writing about it. Remember - these are your own people who are doing this. Frankly speaking I never met a Russian or Ukrainian I could trust. Their women are good looking. That's the only thing they have going for them. The only commodity they have to offer. svenden Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/3/2016 11:23:31 AM   a Ukrainian girl initiates correspondence with you, sends you few letters (usually from 3 to 6) and then you receive a letter from a "translation agency" saying that the girl was paying them for translations, but her account is closed now, as she cannot afford paying anymore. If you wish to continue correspondence, now YOU pay. And give you details how to send them money via Western Union. This is always 100% scam. NEVER EVER pay for it. dcguy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/3/2016 8:54:37 PM   I came across one free dating site where just about every contact wanted my personal email address because they do not want to use the dating site email system (which has its limitations like cannot send photos). They then send messages saying how you are so "ideal" for them. Then they post racier photos with each message. When they send you a message with a photo where they are half naked, they then say that they no longer can afford to pay the translation agency for the correspondence. They do not want to stop the correspondence and ask for your help. Then you get a message from the "agency" saying that the woman's account has been suspended and that they need you to pay to continue the correspondence. On this dating site, nearly 100% of the profiles that contacted me followed this scenario. Some of the rates to continue the correspondence were somewhat high in cost. It seemed that as the photos got racier, then it was time to inform you of the "sob story". I stopped visiting the site for over a year and I still get "flirts", but no messages anymore. I think both men and women profiles are fakes on this site. I also registered with a fake name and information just to test it out. 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