Well you know I aint riding no fences on this one. Marriage has nothing to do with laws or courts or the state in any way. Marriage has been a covenant between men and women since before civiliation. As a matter of fact marriage is what civilized us. Marriage started groups of families living together, then communities, then towns.......and it worked just fine until Western men forgot they had balls and let femminists take control. If you want your future bride to sign your pre-nups, ......then your are showing your allegiance to the femminist movenent.......!! It's a quick fix for your benefit, while you leave the real men to struggle against those who attack the covenant of marriage. You see, in true marriage pre-nups are a moot point. If you need pre-nups in your marriage, then perhaps your not really married after all.
I am, indeed, the ultimate feminist, lol
I am by my own accord the most staunch supporter for equality for those women who want it...
A while back I listed all the things I believe men and women should share equally if they're to consider 'equal', as the feminist movement demands....
among them I listed the right to work the same long grueling hours as men do if they want equal pay....the right to open their own damn doors and be equally capable of getting their western fat ass in the car...the right to lift exactly the same amount of heavy objects at the office or place of work....the right to have the current lopsided legislation in favor of divorcing women revoked and rebuilt from scratch to show equlity and accountability, specially for women receiving alimony and child support.....and many more.
Marriage WAS a covenant in the US...unfortunately only in very few places it is still treated as such. LA for instance (Louisiana, not Los Angeles, Ca) still treats marriage as covenant institution.
But western women know this and they file for divorce in TX.
Man, I am a pragmatic man, practical and realistic.
I will not spill sour milk of what brought us to the deplorable state of marriage in our western countries, but I'll be damned if I will let the current feminazy laws take one more undeserved penny from my kids future.
And I heared that marriage (at least here in the East) returns to what it used to be, to the agreement between a man and a woman to live together in love and sorrow, raise children and so on and so forth!!! And one more thing there are still doubts if to count the marriage made in the church by the priest to be the marriage by law, but as far as I hear the new Ukrainian marriage codex says it's the real marriage. And if again my memory doesn't play an awful trick on me, the man and a woman have to live together for 2 months (without regestering their marriage) and they are thought to be a husband and a wife....so it's like that.
And as for pre-nups, how will you say to your fiancee "honey please sign this document, so I/you will get some money in case I ruin some of the agreements, like I/you will put on some weight"....but some women after giving birth to a child gain lots of weight, and they keep it for a couple or more months, and some women are not able to lose their weight after giving birth to a child, because of some physical changes in the whle body....so if it is a medical problem that can't be solved...so what will you do then??? Just will leave your wife because she didn't keep up the pre-nup??? Or what??? I just don't understand that at all.....sorry.
GL, I Know what you're saying. I'm just making my point. That a true marriage is in the heart of a man and a woman. They can pass as many laws as they want about it, even allow gays to "marry" but it will never affect the reality of marriage unless the indididual wants it to have an affect on him or her. ...In other words....you do not have to let the state have any control over your marriage unless you or your wife agree to it, yes and that means even taxes. .....Now...my ex-wife agreed to it....and cleaned me out.....! But I haven't given up..I know there are a few like minded women out there somewhere ..... I mean like me..not... my ex wife.
What happens to Ptichka`s friend could easilly have been prevented with a Pre-Nup I agree, BUT it wouldnt have been !!!
Pre-Nups are for the protection of the one with the money !!
They are a sign of greed and selfishness, and certainly in the case of Ptichka`s frioend would have helped her Not one Jot !!!
I would Never hand a woman I love any documanet that states if we spolit up she gets diddly !!!
And I applaud Ptichka for her intended action if any man ever did this to her.
NO woman is an object to be bought or sold, and a Pre-Nup is exactly that.
"Behave, stay in my bed and treat me as I want to be treated, or wi will divoce you and you will get squat !!"
Pre-Nups are not for decent people, they are for greedy, selfish and nasty Western men.
Any man who insists on one is acting Exactly the way he says Western women behave !!
And no woman in her right mind would fall in love with a man who has made it clear to her at Any time, that a Pre-Nup will be a requirement of marriage !!!
One last point, there have been 100`s and 100`s of cases where these disgusting documenst have been throw out of court when they have been reffered to in divorce cases, because the vulture lawyers, who chraged the earth for doing them, got it wrong.
Pre-Nups are for losers, because if they have to have one, they have Lost already !!!
Someone check it's pulse! I think this horse is dead. Now for a laugh, being Irish Catholic, I found this interesting profile on Catholicmatch.com Have a good day all. By the way Tim I work, I just have the luxury in this digital age to have a mobile laptop for my work.
This is her profile
I think she's really a protestant from Belfast, I liked the phrase kind and carry, made me think of cash and carry.OOOOOOppppps
Hello. My name is Olga and i`m looking for a real man for marrige or serious long relations. Your profil really liked me much and i would love to meet with you, to develop our relations more closer. I dream to leave my country and to connect my life with an interesting, kind and carry man. And you seemed me such. I will be honest with you, i have some savings for the trip to you, but they are not so large. If you not against we could discuss our possible meeting. I`m serious in intention to meet with you and hope you also would love it. I very would love to start new life with you, to love you with all my heart and to feel your carry and protection. I hope my letter will interest you, because i very would love to be near with you one day. kiss you Olga
As I understand it, the marriage vows say, till death us do part, how can you say these words and then ask for a pre nup, the two are incompatible, if you want a pre nup, change the vows and say till we divorce, this will then be consistent and you can have your pre nup.
It's really that simple...if you don't believe in marroiage for life, get a pre nup.....as far as I can see a pre nup is immoral as is divorce, unless one partner has really pretended to be something they are not and are abusive, then you need to work at your marriage.I am a pretty modern western guy, but vows are vows, maybe this is why although I have a daughter I have never been married, when I say those vows, then I intend to carry them out....I agree completeley with you ptichka, and you as well Tim
turn on the tube and what do I see
A whole lotta people cryin' "Don't blame me"
They point their crooked little fingers ar everybody else
Spend all their time feelin' sorry for themselves
Victim of this, victim of that
Your momma's too thin; your daddy's too fat
Get over it
Get over it
All this whinin' and cryin' and pitchin' a fit
Get over it, get over it
You say you haven't been the same since you had your little crash
But you might feel better if I gave you some cash
The more I think about it, Old Billy was right
Let's kill all the lawyers, kill 'em tonight
You don't want to work, you want to live like a king
But the big, bad world doesn't owe you a thing
Get over it
Get over it
If you don't want to play, then you might as well split
Get over it, Get over it
It's like going to confession every time I hear you speak
You're makin' the most of your losin' streak
Some call it sick, but I call it weak
You drag it around like a ball and chain
You wallow in the guilt; you wallow in the pain
You wave it like a flag, you wear it like a crown
Got your mind in the gutter, bringin' everybody down
Complain about the present and blame it on the past
I'd like to find your inner child and kick its little ass
Get over it
Get over it
All this bitchin' and moanin' and pitchin' a fit
Get over it, get over it
Get over it
Get over it
It's gotta stop sometime, so why don't you quit
Get over it, get over it
Just Thought I would add the complete lyrics to Get Over It
Marriage has become the only contract I know of that you can break without having to give a valid reason...or any reason. Try telling your cell phone provider that you have changed your mind.....see how far that gets you.!!! ...........and there's a lot more at stake with a marriage breakup.
I used to believe in them. I never had to use them cause Ive never been married. But if I had to take sides I have to say that its not a good thing to do. When I get married, shes going to be everything to me or I wont get married at all. In this case I get married, I will never cause any pain to her by making her think I am such a person to think of money and possessions. Whatever is mine belongs to her as well...
Shes a warm one alright !! But I bet her savings wont be even enough to get half her ticket, and the next request will be "Can you send money for......." :o))
"As I understand it, the marriage vows say, till death us do part, how can you say these words and then ask for a pre nup, the two are incompatible"
Amen to that Trad !!! Nail on the head, firmly beaten it is !!!
Why shouldnt a marriag evow "Till death do we part" (Silly moo !!!) carry the same weight as a Pre_Nup ? It made by two people, with free will, yet when a divorce is wanted, that vow before all others get forgotten !!! The Pre-Nup which is cold and calous carries more weight in the divorce court !! Thats f*cked up !!!!
I have been married 3 times, its cost me a house, 1/2 the contents of another house, and thousands upon thousands of pounds over the years, but I still wouldnt have sh*t to do with Pre- Nups because I really believe they are nasty, cold, calous and basically looking on the blackside before the marriage even begins !!!
I could not genuinly marry a woman because I love her and hand her a contract telling her I dont trust her !!!
If I dont trust her I wouldnt marry her, end of !!!!
There is also a lot at stake when two people enter into the bond of marriage too, and pre-empting the future divorce is matrimonail suicide !!! I agree with you that getting out of marriage these days is Way too easy !! It took me 7 days to divorce my Russian X, from star to finish, and $600.
She took Nothing with her, but the whole episode still cost me about $25,000 with the wedding, trips, etc !! But I still wouldnt ahve dropped a Pre-Nup on her and I wont with the next one either.
If I am big enough to take the plunge, and she is willing to locate to my country, then screw it, Ill take the chance and take it in the chin if Im wrong !!!
If she will elave her country for me, and it doesnt work out, at leats we have both tried, money doesnt matter, life and love and the chance to be togeter until I die, is what I want !!!
I agree with you Tim. But I have another scenerio for us to ponder.
What about a 75 yr old woman and a 77 yr old man getting married. Each has kids from a previous marriage. The woman has money that she wants to make sure goes to her kids after she dies. If she marries this guy and she passes first, he could leave his money and hers to his kids only. Maybe she should have him sign pre-nups prevent this. I might make an exception in this case........!
No need mate, she makes a will after the wedding that states her cash goes to her kids, non contectable and perfectly acceptable, but only cash she brought into the marriage of course !!
Anything they make jointly, or own jointly goes to All the kids, again make a will.
My Dad is remarried, he has made a will that states we, his 3 natural kids get much of his worth when he goes, his wife gets the rest and can do with as she wishes., but she doenst get any more than 1/2 what they are jointly worth, just as in a divorce.
The house will not be sold, but when she goes his will and her will stipluate that the house wil be sold, and 1/2 its value comes to us. The other half to her kids, thats fair as they bought the place together from the procceds of a business they ran together, long after my Mum died. all fair and above board as far as Im concerned :o)