Talked to my lady by translator on Sat.-- $67.50 for 30 minutes---She seems nice and somewhat sincere. But she doesn't want her family or her 14 year old daughter to know she is writing an american and will be meeting him in Moscow, the 1st of August for a week.-----------ANY thoughts
Armando-Kazan sent out form letters witout the ladies even knowing who they were being sent to. I guess if they got someone they like, who writes them back , they would write the guy back. HOWEVER, the agency puts a lot of pressure on the girls to reply to all responses from men.-----My gal has to commute 40 miles to get to her agency in Kazan. I sort of believe she wants to write or she wouldn't make that kind of trip. She writes 3 times a week.
The first response I got from her(that she actually sent) said she had relatives in Moscow and could I meet her there this summer. I thought that was alful quick,lol------ Any thoughts
Then last week (we've been writing a month) she said it would be nice if she could stay at the hotel with me. I told her she could and she offered to be my tour guide even though she doesn't hardly know any english. It said she was fluent on her profile. She did suggest that we get an handheld electronic translator. When I said I probably couldn't get one around here she said she would try to pick one up------
Well, her birthday is this Sat. and I bought her two watches and earrings. About $260.00. the only way I knew to send them to her was UPS and they charged $118.00 to send one pound to Kazan and would only insure it for $100.00, lol.I sent her $30.00 for an handheld translator----Any experience with one of them?????
WELL i figure I'm 50 and I deserve a present. I got airline tickets, hotel res., passport, visa soon,and the number to a bunch of female escorts in case my gal is just a gold digger. If my gal is only interested in shopping for stuff for her and just spending money blindly; I'm sending her back to Kazan early and finding me an escort to show me the sites by day and by night. If you know what I mean.
I'm going to go the whole nine yards to make this work but if anything is fishy; I'll just turn it into a real expensive holiday.----------------ANY thoughts
I would never send such expensive gift to someone I never met but maybe you can afford to do it and not bother if You're being taken for a ride or not, good luck though
The whole basic premises of your trip to Moscow is flawed in my not so humble opinion.
I will NEVER take a trip to FSU to meet a woman, unless she is not only willing, but proud to introduce you to her inmediate family, specially her parents....and her mother being the most important.
I will never send expensive gifts like you have to someone I have not met yet...Two watches??? Tsk tsk tsk...
Being able to afford it or not is irrelevant.
you're already setting the stage for this to become your most expensive international vacation.
I would not blame your woman for expecting you to act like a sugar daddy with long pockets.
You're scamming yourself, mate...!!
I bought a handheld translator and used it in Turkey when I met a Russian lady called Tanya, she only knew about 50 words in English, we communicated easily, did not even need it much by the end of the week, I bought mine on the internet from an american company, delivered in 3 days, cost about 70 pounds(about $140)the unit cost goes down the more russian women you meet:))))am taking it to Chisinau next week
I have sore missgivings too Ben:
From what you say its almost as if you are "buying" your woman !
If you throw money at her like this now, then when you are there she will be much more extravagant !!
But I can assure you that if you act the way there you are acting here she will just think of you as stupid idiot with a big wallet that she can empty for you.
She will not respect you one jot for throwing so much cash around mate.
Sorry if I sound harsh, but there isnt really any other way to say it, and I can see you heading for a Very expensive fall !!
I make it clear from the start, that I have an average(maybe a little bit above) western standard of living, that money is not unlimited and will have to be worked at, in fact I tell them that I get less materialistic everyday" no one said on there death bed, that they wish they had spent more time at work) and I this increasingly so...I tell them I am no longer motivated by material wealth but by emotional wealth, so don't hook up with me if you expect a bed of rose, financialy.....come to think of it, I do my best to put them off....))))must be reverse physcology, seem to be fighting them off.also I think you neeed to explain when you meet, that you are on holiday and so more extravagant than you normally would be, that at home you do not eat out for lunch and dinner everyday......maybe this is why I have never been scammed
When a scammer FSU or western woman shows her true colors I invariably let her know I have a lot of money in the bank....but also that she is not getting any of it!!!
But seriously, Trad's approach is the best to find the honest ones who want love and family life as priorities, not material gains.
On the other hand no woman should be considered a scammer for wanting a well balanced situation where she feels loved, protected, honored and well provided for all in the same package.
Tim, thats great, I have met a scammer after all:)) I agree Toad, I am not poor, I have a slightly above average lifestyle, I don't expect a woman to come to poverty, but I do not want to attract one who thinks she is going to get an easy life with no worries, want a realistic one, and one that also wants to be part of building something, than arriving to it all ready made
regarding Ben's opener you've all reacted and had your say.
My turn now.
Dear Ben, I would not go to her. Such a nice guy like you does not deserve this lady, even if she is a scammer. You deserve your own kind, without any moral standards, and basically up for sale. Why on Earth you want to go to Moscow to pick up some hookers is beyond me, but why you mention this on a dating site pitches you as coming from Mars.
I've got zero respect for such attitude - why do you think any woman would have?
All of you were concerned about him spending too much, or trying to buy her, or being taken for a shopping-ride. It just occurred to me that noone commented on the character details displayed.
"also, why would you buy someone 2 watches?"
I did hear that on some bumpkin markets in the US you can buy two watches for $1 :o)
TD: You are right on the money,
but I was too polite to tell Ben that in my considered opinion, he is a dick ;o))
But you have kindly done it for me :o)
Maybe he thinks hookers are cheaper in Moscow than in Sh*tsville Arizona ? ;o)) If so then I think he is in for a huge shock !!!
Moscovite women can be Very hard, and I strongly doubt that the "Ivan run girls" are going to be sweet and kind sort of ladies, they wil be money driven hard as nails working girls, who will knife a punter for the contents of his wallet if they think they can get away with it. Personally Ben, I think you stand a fair chance of being sent home in a body bag, or on "Life flight" chopper !!!
Go to Moscow, lol...
The sooner you go the better for all of us.
Nothing more productive tha ngetting rid of the competition for the honest ladies' attention, lol...
Good luck trying to buy a Moscow hooker, Ben....and don't forget to bring watches...lots of watches, mate
LOL, LOL------ Man, what a tough crowd, lol. I bought two watches. One for daughters birthday and one for girls birthday. I spent what I have and will because it was my idea and I wanted to do it. I did the same thru 22 years that I was married to my wife. I do it with family and friends. The HOOKER part was a bad joke. Sort of out of dispare.American women being what they are and a guy has to go so far to find a girl--- However, when I was in the army I did meet a lot of hookers from many countries TIM. Being 18, in a war,no time, etc, you don't think much about courting. And russian hookers can't be any tougher than the gals in Viet Nam.------ I do plan to have a great trip even if it's just site seeing. Hopefully things will go as well for me as it has for a lot of you. I think I just had a BIG PANIC ATTACK, earlier.---And you guys might be chummy here on this site but tell me. Would you or could you go to the aid of a friend from this site should they get in legit trouble in the FSU or anywhere else.Been there done that. Thats when true character shows.-------------------- LOL, LOL, you guys are one tough crowd. I can't spell either. lol
UPDATE---LOL---My girl informed me today that she was talking with her daughter and relatives about me. She deceided this on her own without any impute from me. And it is costing her about 100 USD to meet me in moscow. Out of her own pocket. Found out she had had plans to visit relatives there in August for a while now. She just thought at first, it would be nice if I could be there at the same time. After a month of letter writing she mentioned it would be nice if we could be at the hotel together. For long walks and convience. Her relatives are long train ride from my hotel. Now, everything seems more reasonable to me. As for her being a scammer---I found out I didn't send her enough money to get electronic translator. She paid for half of it. I'm beginning to think I've got a reasonable shot at finding a good thing. As far as spending a lot of money on trip, her, ect. I have kids still at home. Don't get to go anywhere often. When I do I like to go ist class and pay for it later. Don't we all love credit cards, lol.
I have read all the past postings you guys have left and without them and your experiences, I wouldn't of gotten up the nerve to go. Thanks
AND TIM, I've been called a dick before, lol. But it was always by a woman! LOL---- Hope your up-coming trip goes well and I do find value in most of the advice you express here on this site! Thanks
"And russian hookers can't be any tougher than the gals in Viet Nam." Ben sorry to say that...but as one of our very famous humorists Zadornov said "Soviet people are a very special kind of people. It's not the nation, it's the way of thinking, and soviet people can think out things, any foreigner would never think about", and then he goes on telling things, which we here got used to so much that they are the part of our life, and we don't think they are extraordinary, but to the rest of the world they may seam like that.
Here we have to invent things, to think out something new (I'm not talking only about saving money, finding good cheap clothes, living without hot and cold water, and so on, but also in finding jobs, communicating with people, and so on and so forth)...so please don't be so sure in the statement you mentioned:)))