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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Travel Safety Author Post Ditto Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/21/2004 3:22:54 PM   I have seen a few posts about tips for staying out of trouble while in the FSU. An acquaintance passed on some 5th hand knowledge about men with beards and mustaches being hassled by the police. I searched and did not find anything, so I thought I would ask if anyone has any info one way or the other. I am particularly interested in Ukraine. jdb66 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/21/2004 10:13:46 PM   I do not know about Ukraine, but I keep a short mustache and beard and had no issues in Eastern Russia. I did however notice Irisha shun darker skinned men with dark beards as being beggars. (My beard is red and skin fair.) Marsh Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/22/2004 4:47:31 AM   Ditto, I don't think you will attract attention only because you wear beard and mustaches. It's nonsense you "will be stopped by the police". People look the way they want. Calm down! The times of Peter the Great vanished into obscurity. You won't have to shave off your beard to be allowed to come into the Ukraine. Ditto Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/22/2004 5:40:36 AM   I figured it was a non-issue, but I had to ask. I hate surprises. Marsh Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/22/2004 5:52:43 AM   Even pleasant ones? idiotdetector Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/22/2004 6:12:27 AM   Not to be racist but maybe a long beard would give the impression of a muslim. When I went to Russia, most people openly hate muslims and generally all people of middle eastern appearence. They do have such people there and are generaly considered people of bad charactor. Beggers, thiefs, criminals. Russia has no equal rights or equal opitunity policy that I am awear of so if you are trying not to attract trouble, looking like this is probably best avoided. Nisse Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/22/2004 6:16:26 AM   Had no problems even with a ponytail and a mustache, no beard though;-)) Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/22/2004 7:02:51 AM   Ukrainian people treat foreigners well, though they are maybe racists, but the majority liks foreigners. But even if they don't people will never show their attitude towards foreigners. OK the muslim type is not popular, because of our boys being in Iraq, but nobody usually pays much attention to beards and mustache. Actually having a mustache was thought to be the usual thing for men in Ukraine, a feature which shows that this man is from Ukraine, OK it was a couple of centuries ago, but still mustache is thought to be nice, if a man who has it looks good with mustache:) Ditto Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/22/2004 9:34:41 AM   I will never be mistaken for a Muslim. What hair I have is brown with red highlights. The beard and moustache are definitely red, except for the grey. scottlf Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/22/2004 10:59:41 AM   Mainly about Iraq? I would have thought there was still plenty of bad feelings over Afghanistan years ago. Of course, I don't know the religuous history of your area that well, but I imagine the same history that Serbia/Bosnia went through has some presence in Ukraine. Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/22/2004 12:06:16 PM   Scott what was in Afganistan is a bad mistake, and mostly people realize that, of course there are men who went through that (the majority of them got used to the normal life again and what they wish is to forget what had happened there with them; or course some didn't forget that and don't like people from Afganistan too, but there are not many of them). Sorry Scott but I didn't understand the comment about connection between history of Servia/Bosnia with history of Ukraine, if you could explain that, I would be able to comment the words:) scottlf Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/22/2004 12:29:19 PM   To my knowledge, the history of Islamic expansion in that part of Europe can be related to the spread of the Turkish/Ottoman empire. Since a large part of Ukraine and other eastern Mediteranean countries were controlled by the Ottomans of that time, there was a push to place the Islamic religion as the only recognized religion. I would think the effects of that history would be felt to present day. Like I said, you probalby know far more about this history than I. It was just my understanding that there was an Islamic presence in Ukraine and other local countries during that time period. Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/22/2004 12:34:23 PM   :)) Now I understand Scott what you meant:) Ottoman empire was present in Ukraine in 12-13 centuries...and it never reached success to kill the spirit of Ukrainian people, though Ukrainian people paied money to Ottoman empire and gave food and products, Turkish people understood very fast that Ukrainians are not very weak, and can be a rather bad enemy...as a result of a long history of wars, and piece...Turkey and Ukraine treat each other very nicely, and we trade, and there are no bad visa limits between 2 countries, there is a ferry between Ukraine and Turkey. :) scottlf Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/22/2004 12:42:32 PM   My point was more that I expect the primary roots of any Islamic residents of Ukraine were probably from this period of history. I respect that Ukraine has historically handled this well. Serbia/Bosnia may have had other historical issues that were their primary cause to violence, but I was not aware if any such similar hostilities were in existence in Ukraine. Thanks for pointing this out. Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/22/2004 12:48:51 PM   You're welcome:) Scott if we were hostile to all people who were presented in Ukraine, we would be hostile to the half of the world:) And there can be found roots of many East people, when you look at one Ukrainian or another carefully, you may see the signs of many people and nations combined in one person:) Ukraine has a long history, and luckily it's a good and piceful history, no matter which problems faced the country:) scottlf Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/22/2004 1:19:05 PM   Yes, the history is complicated enough you have to sort it by region and type in some cases, like Crimean history with the Greeks, Tatars, etc. Political history is long and complicated Economic history is long and complicated Religuous history is long and complicated I ran across this on Religuous history, and I can tell it is a short summary. http://wrc.lingnet.org/ukrarel.htm Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/22/2004 1:43:06 PM   Well Scott it seams to me that the history of Ukraine was written by a Russian author, because everywhere where it's possible and where it's not possible even he places Ukraine with Russia. And actually Kiev Rus had a much longer history, before Vladimir, he was famous because he chose Christianity for Ukraine. But do you know why??? He had a choise of Christianity and Muslim religion. He chose the first one, because: it was possible to drink alcohol without any limitations, the ceremonies were held on native language of the country, there was a wide trade between the 2 countries, one of the rullers, Great Olga, was christined in the 9 century (though she was not able to spread Christianity all over the country). And before Vladimir, Ukraine had a long history of idolatry, which we can't forget about also:) And before that there were nomads:) scottlf Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/22/2004 1:56:48 PM   If I recall correctly, there were two christian sects involved as well, Roman Catholic and I suppose what we now call Orthodox. Since Vladimir had no desire to share power, that ruled out Roman Catholic. In fact, supposedly the Orthodox church was very open in contrast to the requirements of the Roman Catholic church. Ptichka, Thanks for sharing your side of this. I generally love to learn history. Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/22/2004 2:16:31 PM   You're welcome Scott!! We're all here to share our views and points:) I'm not very sure about difference between the Roman Catholic Church and Orthodox Church, but I know that at least in Lugansk, there are many religions presented: Ukrainian Orthodox Church, Russian Orthodox Church, Catholic Church (if I use the name in the correct way, sorry if not), Greek Catholic Church (which is one of the religions widely spread in Ukraine), Baptist church, synagogue, Armenian church, Islam church, even witnesses of Jehovah are represented in the city :) scottlf Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/22/2004 2:33:50 PM   Time for some excessive cutting&pasting and references. http://www.emayzine.com/lectures/byzmuslm.html Ess entially Vladimir shopped around for official religions and rejected Islam due to the prohibitions against alcohol, he was against Judaism because Yahew was a weak god for he allowed them to be booted out of the holy land and he rejected Roman Christianity for the pope thought that he was supreme to secular rulers. Some religous history references: http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Russian_Orthodox_Church As you also stated, the Orthodox church has many branches. For the Catholic church to have ONE leader, there can only be one Catholic Church, then. I did find what I THINK is a good overall contrasting article on Orthodoxy and Catholicism. http://www.ocf.org/OrthodoxPage/reading/ortho_cath.html The article states that the differences are many and detailed. I can't cut and past any specific section and do it justice. For those that hate all these external URL references, that's just the best I can do. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Travel Safety
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