I will try to keep this post short. I have been a lurker here for a couple of months and have seen some good advice given and lots of spirited conversation.
Anyway, I thought that I had found the one for me in the Ukraine. I traveled there several times, met her family and friends and it just didn't work out in the end. So, that being life I will now move on.
I have just started some correspondence with a woman in Moldova. My knowledge of Moldova is almost zero. I have been to Estonia, Poland and of course the Ukraine.
Have any of you been there and what are your perspectives about the country, safety and people. Of course in any FSU country I follow certain rules and conduct for safety. I am just wondering if Moldova is the same, worse, etc. My previous girl from the Ukraine made me feel like it was a very bad place to go. I want to go to the capital with her and she didn't like the idea at all.
I had no problems in Moldova, people were lovely(police can be a little strange) and the love of my life was there. It was fine, just respect the rules of the country you visit. I was advised by people there, that as a westerner I should not go out alone, I ignored this and have to say I had no problems at all.
" that as a westerner I should not go out alone" I have had the same advice given to me regarding St Petersburg, had no problems, as long as You blend in and don't wind up blind drunk in the wrong street you're allright, but that would be the rule of thumb anywhere;-)
My experience was a little less positive than Trads. No offense trad, but sometimes when one is falling in love he sees the world (or Moldova) through rose-colored glasses.
You also had what seems to be an advantage of being a little suspicious and wary on your visit. The relief of not experiencing the problems I had (alone) may have contributed to your current feeling.
I had no particular concern either about "going out alone". In fact my major problem occured when I was with a Moldovan woman who is quite beautiful by even Moldovan standards (and that is saying A LOT) whereas I am clearly American and considerably older than she is. Even if in private times the differences between her and I only made the situation more incredible. But this was not an opinion shared by the officer who stopped us and harrassed us for much more than an hour increasing his demands for a pay-off four-fold and eventually even requiring an (unkept) promise that my lady would have sex with him in order to avoid keeping me in the police-station locked up overnight - until a member of the American Consulate could bring a certfied copy of my passport and secure my release. He specifically stated that he was upset that "all the goodlooking ones were leaving the country and there were none left for the guys in Moildova to date".
He then called her four times in the days that followed, expecting to take her up on the promise he required that she make. I consider such behavior from an officer to be a little more than "acting strange".
I AM NOT (unfortuantely) in love with the lady I was with. Things simply did not click for us. So I lack the rose-colored glasses.
Other than the experience I had with the police officer, the general possessive nature of the lady I was with (who allowed me to be away from her exactly three times for a grand total of four hours - during a 22 day period) and her mother who was also difficult (again no glasses) - my trip to Moldova was fine.
Of course those exceptions mentioned above are pretty big.
Jet, I thought the police were a little strange, no more, however I take your point that your experience was more than a little strange..You are also quite right that because I fell in love with the lady, my view of Moldova is more positive than it would have been otherwise.
We can both only relay our experiences, and for whatever reasons, mine were positive
Thanks for the input guys. It seems to be much the same there as in any other FSu country. Just be careful as I would anywhere else in the world. The police, well they can be a little strange anywhere I guess.
Seems like I will just take care as I would anywhere else. You guys are right the woman in Moldova look beautiful. But, I can say the same for the Ukraine and Estonia as well:-)
There seems to be a consensus among many that Moldova is bit more dangerous to westerners than most FSU countries.
I don't recall the web page - but there was a rating sytem I saw recently applied to all of the countries of the world and various scales were used to determine specific things like "likelyhood of dying in a car accident" of course there was Average, Income Per Capita. and there was a general score for "corruption" which was a compsite of several factors. Moldova scored #6 in the category of corruption - beating out such favorites as Uganda and Albania. It scored far higher than any of the other FSU countries. Though honestly I don't recall seeing Chechnia being rated at all. And I am sure that Chechnia is worse.
I have been to Ukraine as well - and my experience with the police was nothing at all comapared to my experience in Moldova.
I intend to see one of my girls again - but I have already told her that we will meet in Odessa (we've met there before). She understands and fully agrees.
Trad - good luck in Italy. And certainly congatulations on the success like we ALL hope to find.
I hope to find a similar pair of rose-colored glasses (and the accompanying feelings of course) any day now.
I'm not sure about how it is in Moldova I have never been there, but I think that if you're careful and follow the common rules that even I living my whole life in Ukraine in one city follow, then you will be safe and nothing bad will happen:))
Shoreguy I need to ask you for one thing, please stop writing "the Ukraine", Ukraine is not a republic of the USSR when this article was needed to show that it is the republic...now Ukraine is an independent country and the article "the" is not needed any more:))
You make an in your face slam dunk a work of art my dear!!
Shoreguy, don't take it heart, I was corrected the same way. Actually it encouraged me to learn a bit of Ukraine, their history and such. Of all the former Soviet States, Ukranians are by far more proud of their heritage and dislike of soviet occupation than I ever realized.
Made me kind of wonder why most of ICBM's were in Ukraine, I surmised that maybe Russian soviets did not care much for Ukrainian people and if an attack came on the Soviet Union it would not be of Russian soil but Ukraines. Since Ukrainian people had muchs disdain for their Soviet occupation it was not great loss to Moscow, kind of removed a thorn from their side.
Ptichka what is your take on this?
One a biased note, The women may be beautiful in Moldova, but my vote goes to Ukrainian women, I find them to be extremely beautiful and the ones I have spoken with in writing and on the phone have very sweet dispositions.
It's just that Ukrainian history includes many many centuries, and as the recent research say...it's history is even longer then we thought before. And people are proud of out culture, and history, proud to be who we are:)) At least IMHO:)
Mike you were really correct Russians never cared much about Ukrainian territory and people living here. There are many people, mostly elderly people, who are sad because of the failure of the USSR, but they can be understood very easily, and mostly people were very very happy when USSR broke. The attitude towards official Moscow is somewhat strange...we just can't not see all the mistakes and bad things that are done...some really silly things, and some really bad things that bring much sorrow...I guess that even those who wanted to be in union again with Russia change their opinions at the moment, IMHO.
I consider the situation in Moldova to be a bit more dangerous than in Ukraina, for example. As doing business there since several weeks I have to say, that for example the whole police is corrupt.
What happened to jet can happen every day again to another western foreigner. Me personally I hadnґt any conflict with the local authorieties during all the years. But this may be an exception as a close friend of me also from a western country was meanwhile hazzled several times and even invited to the local court.
All in all they only expect, that you pass them some money :-)
I've heard it said, only partially in jest, that Moldova is so poor that they don't actually pay the police. They give the officers a gun and a badge and say "You're on your own..."