I'm not sure about duplicate letters or being a translator in an agency, I just know how hard the job of a translator can be...when you first work day and night to gain the reputation...it's a hard job, when just in one simple mistake your reputation may be ruined and you have to start it from the very beginning.
Even if a translator translated the document or a text as it was written in the original, you may be accused in the wrong translation just because from the very beginning the original text was a little bit doubtful. And I know how hard it's to concentrated after you did much work, and you still have much to do. So I think it was just a mistake of being unattentive or something like that.
I'm not protecting anybody, I'm just saying how it can be.
"And please stop with the "starving to death" and "no money for rent" crap. " Wildcard and how are you supposed to buy food or paying for the flat if the fees from translation are the only source of earning money. There are may be months when there are not much work, and I have to think out any ways of making some money, or using them the best way during the whole "black" period...
you talked about the letters, I mean how many letters and I must say I think that is dumb. Because, for example I started writing to my girls and she had about 80 letters I think, now she is up to about 280. She joined October 2003 so 80 was not bad. Now we will meet on the 1st August and if all goes well we ride of into the sunset and all that. But nas, what if things do not go well and we still decide to keep looking. She will have about 300 letters and most of them from me. Dose that make her a bad person? I do not buy this shit about a girl being expected to find someone withing a certain number of letters or a certain time. They have good luck and bad luck, just like us but according to some on this site, to many letters = scammer when there is always more than one answer to any question. Life is not a mathmatical problem where 1+1 always =2. How many letters shows up next to your name?
ID I wasn't saying too many letters mean scammers my friend, it just makes me question the integrity of the letters. I myself will not define a person by the amount of letters they receive. But if an agency does a letter blitz, how do the girls feel trying to respond to these?And how does that really help the girls. That was my point and maybe I didn't make that clear.
And if you want to know how many letters are next to my name just ask
its 72 if you want the breakdown where they are from I can gladly give that.Over 65% are from two ladies. Next question?
My point and I think it was missed when agencies do these things it ruins the integrity of the search for both the man and woman. Also I'm tired of hearing quys whinning about the women here.
So Id when you want to piss in my cornflakes just bring the sugar my friend.
JeffM Well put in your last post. We all pay to be on this site, so it is ultimately our responsibilty to protect our investment.
I myself will not hold any woman responsible for my stupidity. Along that line I won't defame a young lady for my irresponsiblity. That is what annoys me to no end here.
I just wonder how many guys have blown smoke up these girls skirts only to leave these ladies totally frustrated and disappointed?
I don't know about most people, but I take character assasination as a serious offense. Especially if the girl you refer to actually did remove her name because of this situation. Then she was greatly harmed and deserves recourse.
I don't know Olga, or the director, nor any of this sites clients, I do know this, several weeks ago I found a recomendation to this site, within the pages of a scammer's black list. I was in the middle of a scam over visa and airfare monies a woman was asking me for. I joined this site and was talking to one of the staff on the 24-help line. This girl that was scamming me was not from here she got my e-mail from American Singles. The woman here at this site spent four hours with me over two days tracking down things in Russia for me, making phone calls, and generally proving to me I was being scammed when I really did not want to admit it. I found a site with her photos on it and that led to several more sites with the exact same story and copies of letters just like mine she had sent to other men. While looking through photos for this women I recognized a woman on this site that had several photos in the scammers list. I sent this information back to the administrator, they pulled her ad like the next day.
Being the dating service, translator, Dear Abby, marriage marm. and detective is hard work. What is needed is communication, complaining is not communication it just sort of sounds like communication, if you suspect something call the administrator right away.
Perhaps none of you want to take the time to actually read.
I did not make my initial post until AFTER I wrote each of the girls questioning why I received the same letter from each of them. Neither the girls nor their agency took the time to respond. Since NOONE wanted to respond or take the time to explain, I posted here to keep the unsuspecting next Joe Blow from wasting their money, time and energy like i did.
I am also not demeaning anyone, and I am not flying off shouting at the world. I simply and camly stated that in the absence of a response from the agency or the gals that this may have been an instance of an agency posting pictures of women that may or may not exist. If I am wrong I stand corrected. This still does not explain why after a couple of weeks I still have not gotten a response directly from the agency that represents the girls in question. That is their choice to ignore me, not mine.
I also did not say that economic conditions are not harsh, especially for the women. I simply stated that I did not appreciate being told that these women are starving because I singled them out for an agencies actions. Their lot in life has not been changed because I singled them out in a single post in this forum. In fact I may have actually done them a favor by pointing out their agency isnt working for them the way it should. Maybe 400 letters for example in the one gals case were 400 letters that were just like the one I received.
I also stated that if the agencies payments were withheld because of this single instance than that would not be fair either. However, If the agency had their payments withheld because this was common situation than they obviously deserve it. They would basicly be cheating these women they represent because they are not doing their jobs properly and their incompetence should not be rewarded.
Lastly, anyone that wants to make a comment about this can certainly do so but keep your mouth shut when it comes to trying to attack my charachter or my intentions. For one thing I have been all around the world including the FSU. I am also not naive. I employ over 700 people. I know a little bit about business and even more about people. I am more than fair when it comes to dealing with people, and I care quite a bit about people and their feelings. With that said I am not an idiot either and I will not be played or manipulated by some of you or by the people involved in this situation.
I did nothing wrong in this case. Every single person in my situation was given an opportunity to respond directly and chose not to. I dont need 4th, 5th or 6th person parties interjecting hyperbole and sarcasm into this matter. Im also getting pretty pissed off at those of you who think its ok to sweep shit like this under the rug.
I paid to join this site. Thats right I paid! None of this came for free. I also took the time to write these girls. MY TIME! Not yours. I was sincere in my actions and expect the same in return. What I got back for my efforts was nothing short of insulting and demeaning. And to date I have not received an apology (or explanation) directly from the agency involved although you people here seem to want to speak for them.
The only ones here in this forum that have the right to flame me is either the moderator, the 2 gals, or the agency involved.
Wildcard you said "Neither the girls nor their agency took the time to respond". And did you try to resend the letter??? It's just that Internet here in Ukraine may not work. Once it was that 3 regions had no Internet for 2 or 3 days. So this may be not because they ignored you but maybe they just didn't receive the letter???
I sent each girl a seperate letter. This was not the first response from each girl. In the past each girl read my letter within 24 hours and responded within an hour of reading my letters. I did not resend my letters. This site can verify whether or not the letters were read as they routinely send emails confirming it. I will also go through my emails to see if I have a confirmation.
It certainly appears that the agency may indeed be at fault. Either the agency simply posted photos of girls that were not "real" meaning they were unaware that their photos were posted on the net, or what I consider just as bad - the agency did not even inform the girls (out of embarrassment or outright negligence) that they screwed up and mishandled their accounts.
If you do not want to be "flamed" stop posting and crying about you personal aituation. You asked people to get involved, you invited dialog on the matter, no one else, you
You live up to your name Idiot, and as you can see below you moron this is not an uncommon event. Why dont you go crawl back under your rock or perhaps you may be one of the idiots working at the agency cranking this shit out.
I just received letters from 2 additional women that are word for word identicle.
In this situation I had exchanged 3 letters with the original girl. The first letter I received asked me to email her at her home email rather than the site. The 2nd letter than asked me to use a 2nd home email because it worked better. Of course none of the 2 original letters from this girl really answered any of my own questions.
It was then that a different lady sent me the exact same 2nd letter that the first lady (also requesting I use the exact same 2nd email address). I have deleted the girls names and email addresses. I also sent these girls a letter asking why I got the same email and never received a response. These girls were on American singles (a sight I no longer use)
Here is a cut and paste:
Greetings Frank.
It was pleasant to receive your letter:)
Do you know, are difficult to write for the first times..... but I will try to write... I am very glad you answered to me again...it seems to me what we are beginning to trust each other...
I want to tell that I recently read there is a deceit on the Internet where Russian girls want to receive money from the western men under various pretexts and for this purpose specially correspond with them, and men which got acquainted with such girls have spent a lot of time all for nothing and cannot trust any girls any more....You are the good man and I don't want you you will get in this situation...be careful with it in any way. First of all I want to tell that I liked your letter and want to repeat I like your profile.Your letter is filled by honesty and kindness, it inspires to me some hopes... You are nice man and it's easy to see...do you know this?
I began these research just recently as I know that our men for the most part do not possess the kind of qualities that are most important to me and in addition they like drinking and waste their life-time Here is present unemployment drunkenness and roughness, so is unpossible to find real man, real husband, which can love his wife and provide her happy life, happy future of his family and happy relationship.....In the any relationship (and the more so in correspondence)I never will ask anybody about any money and even if somebody will offer money to me I not take.Money always spoilt relations.
I want to tell also money is not main thing to me I simply want to find the husband and I want to write to you the detailed definition of my nature and mine soul. I am not looking for rich man i only want kind and loving man with me to create a happy family and I know I can be a good wife. It is true that is not the best life here and probably women search for themselves for good conditions for life, but I think, that any person would act also.... But I want, that you knew my true relation to this. I only want good relation and kind person to me. I want worthy relation to me, return I shall give also fine relation and my love....
My ambition is to create a strong happy family building up on mutual understanding, love and happy,and because I think that the woman should be independent of the man, namely itself to have good work, to receive good results of work, and to have an opportunity half-and-half with the husband to contain family, to educate children to give them a good education and a good life.....
You also should know, that I live in country where each day there are many divorces each minute.I radiate from, that my children should have the best life, than I. When I will find my love, I agree to moving to another country.If to speak about our relations, I very want that we with you prolonged our relations, as I feel your desires and agree with your ideas , which is Important to me. ...
What your attitude by everything I told you?
If the tell in few words, the most valuable features in a man for me are reliableness, attentiveness, kindness.My dream is to have a beloved husband,who would be a friend and a lover for me.....
These values is the main for me because I am the christian and sometimes go to church. I always to ask God that everything must good and everyone must be healthy. I know, that he hear me and will be good for people which trust in him. Each person in the world should live well and happily regardless of the fact that kind of person or religion he adheres. Do you agree with me? I want to know your point of view on this question too
I want to know you better so also I want to ask you about the reason you started
search for russian (ukrainian or belorussian) girls.(I told you my reasons to search for foreign man). Please be sincere. I will understand you perfectly. You are interesting men, it is the truth.:)I have met people in Internet before, but I didn't meet anybody like you. The first reason, because your letter very strongly differed from other letters. Your letter was sincere, warm and resolute.
I would like to know what happend with your relations before? How much serios relations did you have and what happened? I guess I wrote the big letter to you today.Hope, everything is Okay with it and you like a big letters:) I think, that you are the man, which very seriously concerns to life and has a firm vital position therefore I want to correspond with you. You sent me your letter on my email xxxx@xxxxxxxx.ru but I decided write you now and in the future from my this email zzzzzz@mail.ru because it works better. Please, write here Here is my photo.I will send more in my hext letters. Waiting for your letter impatiently.
Olga,
It's time to delete whine babies like Wildcard out of the forum.
Idiots like him will never assume responsibility for their own actions or idiocy, and never appreciate the value of the service this site provides.
Wildcard,
I strongly suggest you take your $29.95 elsewhere for a few months and compare the quality of service and product you get.
YOU are the moron, not ID.
You're just pissed he detected you, lol...
Nasfan,
I'll bring splenda topiss in your cereal bowl, sugar has too many carbs..;))
Who the hell is whining except people like you. I post a topic that Im sure as hell new people to this site should and/are interested in and you make me out to be the bad guy. Since when is posting a topic of a possible scam, or a bad agency a bad thing?
You say I am pissed that an idiot detected me? Detected what? That I question the intentions of a group of people that obviously didnt value my time, money or efforts in corresponding with 2 women I found interesting? So instead of trying to help which is what a forum is supposed to be for a couple of you jerks decide to lay into me? Go Bang yourselves you self rightous arrogant pukes.
I read a lot of posts on this board especially you toad. All you do is bash people. Maybe your the one that needs to be deleted here.
There were 2 people here that tried to help, - Olga the Moderator and Pitchka. Thank you to those 2. The rest of you can go bite me.
Olga and Pitchka are females, and as such felt the overwhelming need to mommy you, moron.
I'm not your mother.
I'm more of the of father you should have had.... but didn't.
I'm here to kick your whinning ass in shape to help you act like a man.
Stop whinning like a god damn primma donna.
Sorry wild but you have been detected, not by me but by all the scammers who think you look so stupid that they constanty bonbard you with letters. If you took the real time to real toads post you would find, yes he does bash stupidity, but he also has shared much wisdom and offered some good advice to people with real questions. I fail to see what help it is you need. You posted 2 girls numbers here thinking you were helping us, instead you just made a fool of yourself. One should know when to quit but you obviously do not. And I do live up to my name "idiotdetector". It seems more people here agree with me wild and if calling me a moron is the best tacticle comeback you have, best leave arguing to the big boys.
By the way wild, I never said anything overly nasty to you. I just disagreed with you posting 2 girls number here without rely discussing it on the forum first. I felt you were jumping the gun and most people are not so quick to post numbers here and I consider it rude realy. I also told you to stop crying not just about the girls, but about people flaming you as you put it. The only people who have that right are the moderator or the 2 girls you spoke of. Well this is a free forum and you invited discussion on the topic. You do not get to chose who can reply or what they say and you call me a moron :o/ what a jib