Once I figured out that you guy’s knew what the hell you were talking about here I started paying attention to this forum. When I was a kid my dad would never ever stop and ask for directions; when he got lost, we would drive around forever till he got lucky, sometimes. I have a hard time asking for help. I think if I surf a bit or play detective I can find the answer.
After I realized as you guy’s have said, “there are scammers every where and to get over it and move on”, things have shaped up. I have made some contacts and have one serious prospect that would like to meet me. You also said make a back up plan, set up a trip and meet several women. I thought I would meet a girl and just send for her but you were right about that too. Don’t ever send money to women I have not met, never ever, sound and useful advice. Some of this advice was related to me directly and some was learned by the help you left for others. I am appreciative.
I need some help. I do not understand how things work on the women’s side. Is there an office in every city, do the women actually go there to write letters. Most of the women I have been writing to need a translator, who is paying for this. What does it mean when it says agency e-mail and outside e-mail? Do these women know I have written like say 10,000 letters (this woman has received 143 letters) can a woman get and compare my letters to other letters from the administrator at a local office? I have been using a few free sites that have been very good but there seems to be information being shared.
I mean specifically could say a girl in Kiev named Olga go to the office and ask the administrator to show her some letters that I had written to say Larisa, so she can compare notes. These may sound like dumb questions and it is true I am not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree as I often missed school driving around lost with my father.
So I guess FSU does not stand for Florida State University, this was good news as I am a Gator from Gainesville. I heard that the Noles are tearing up the grass surface at Doak Campbell Stadium in Tallahassee this summer. Well that’s what I hear in Gainesville they are taking up the grass and putting down artificial turf to keep the Cheerleaders from grazing! LMAO!! But really what does FSU mean Federation of Soviet Union. What else can you tell me that I need to know.
Wessman, you have come to the right place. See my thread also called To the Newcomers....
It is highly unlikely that a girl could compare notes. I have made the trip and found my fiance. While over there in Russia in july, my lady took me to her 'marriage agency' and I met all the girls inthe office that work there, translating letters, etc. I even asked the manager for some information about my lady and she flat out refused. Saying it was confidential. Yes, many of the girls without internet access (on their profile, it will say private email? no) go to a local office (there are literally thousands in the Former Soviet Union (hence the name). They read the translated messages, usually machine translated, and write back, and again, machine translated. You can kind of tell, by the wording, etc. that a computer program did most of the translation.
Wessman!! I wrote to a lady that had said she was going on a trip the agency responded for her to me that she was out of town and would respond on her return. They look out for the girls, many times calling them to tell them they have a letter. Some may have email at work but can not give it to just anybody. I was emailing a lady at work and she saud she could get in big trouble, much like here. I am a bulldog by the way. Nice to know you. Want to wager on the game this year. The Gators of old always manage to put a cramp in Georgias' side. It was a good SEC this year. What do you think? Anyway, back to the beautiful ladies. I believe sometimes the agencies send letters at ladies request. A template letter from the ladies file. It is known that some of the agencies are on probation for writing to men instead of the lady. This may be why the letters seem the same. Contact Oleg the mediator of the forum or fiance( contact us) and let them know. I had 2 ladies send me the same address and it was one the agency allowed them to give because they are a bit unsure, just like you and I. Any time it seems odd post it. If you have a question or want some imformation, Post it. Keep on the firing line with the forum and you will be fine. Best wish, If you look in the FSU you will find a lady to love and maybe she will fall in love with you. Never send money, go to meet them. You may consider having her come here after you are comfident with her. Give her the chance to see how you live before you make marriage plans. It can be very difficult to make culture change. Some people are better at it than others. One of the guys is thinking of moving there to be with his love. Things to think about. Go dogs!!!!lol
There are some beautiful women in Russia from what I have been looking at here lately, and you are right about falling in love with a woman in the FSU, but for some reason I am leaning heavily on the girls in Ukraine. I bought an internet clock and set it to the time in Kyiv. I am really talking to several women in Ukraine; one says she is the director of a tourist agency. See how I am "she says she is" it is the trust thing man, sort of like thinking them dawgs are going to do it this year and then they choke, I heard the Ad hired several physicians this year and even cut back on some assistant coaches to make room for these doctors, they are teaching every Bull- Dog player the Heimlich maneuver. LMAO!!!!
Anyway I am going to do my own little tour I hope, I would like to line up two women that I am sort of serious about, then one I am just nuts about, and then go and meet them, I want to have a back up plan just in case there is no chemistry or they can’t deal with a spas mastic Cyclops.
So you are saying; go there and meet these woman, settle on one, and then I have to bring one over here for a visit to see how I live. After that, I need to bring her back again later to see if she thinks she can deal with adjusting to the cultural shock. Man! Southernman, that sounds like a lot of time, work, energy and money, Wow! Maybe I should just go back to my old ways and find some Bi^&% and buy her a house. Ya know I used to get married; now I just buy em a house, because they end up with the house in the end any ways, and then I get that strong urge for romance and sex out of my system, a good resentment usually does that for me.
This is just an observation, I look at the photos of American woman and compare them to the woman over there and there is a huge difference in the size of their breasts, the only thing I can figure is a shortage of silicone over there or perhaps they do not use steroids and hormones in the milk.
So a lot of poor humor here on my part I am sure, but what do you think of this. Does this ever happen? A guy is writing say thirty letters a week, he is having a hard time keeping up and gets confused and ends up pissing half of them off.
This is just a hypothetical situation; eight of the other fifteen girls think this hypothetical guy is just a jerk. Of the seven left, four of them get honest and admit they have children and cancel themselves out. Of these three left two of these just want to scam this guy out of some money. This leaves just one left but these two really have a thing going on. Can’t I just have her get a visa and I buy an airline ticket that can’t be cashed out. She can come here and if she wants to stay I know what to do then. Marry her immediately and get an adjustment status change from INS for about a grand and ride off into the sunset. I married a foreign woman before and once you get her here in the States, all you have to do is get married. All this money to travel and immigration attorneys is crazy. Well that is my best plan. If she get here and can’t deal with the Cyclops she can use the other half of her ticket and go home. Still she had a nice vacation. Are there woman in Ukraine that just hate it and want to get out. I am getting carpel tunnel syndrome.
Being a butt man myself, The women's breast size has no factor in my attraction to a woman. The women's weight proportionately will affect the size of her breast if that interests you. Do not expect to find a 100lb. woman with size 40 DDD breasts, unless they have been surgically altered. Some women might be blessed that way but it would be rare. Actually it is the least of my concerns. Also the women from Ukraine are beautiful as are the women from Russia, Belarus , Moldova, Estonia, and the rest of the FSU I have left out. It's been said a million times, Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!
Wess, my advise to you is to really do your homework and learn as much about the agencies and the few bad apples "ladies" that are out there to take your money and break your heart. There is much to learn and there are many many websites to enlighten you about many of these situations. You are correct about never, never sending any money to any woman that asks you. A sincere woman will NEVER ask you for a dime. As for agencies there are very professional ones and there are so called "one man operations" out there. Here at this site they are watched closely and must do good business practices or they will be punished by fiance.com. You can always email the staff here if you have any doubts or questions about a girl or her agency. Try not to post anything here in the forum about a girl or her agency, its best to keep it confidential with the people that run this site. Now from what I have learned is ladies that use the same agency can and will talk to each other at times and share some stories. Remember ladies around the world are similar in some ways and they do like to talk and gossip =) So if you are talking to more than one from the same agency be careful, they might find out you are talking to more than just them. When I was in Russia my woman had absolutly no intention of bringing me to her agency, I don't know why but I didn't press the issue. In fact after our first meeting she cut all ties with the agency and preferred to not use them anymore for anything.
I went only for one woman, but that was my preference. If you go to meet more than one , from my experience DON'T let them find out about eachother!! Just try and imagine how you would feel if your woman came here to see you but then told you she had other guys she will meet while shes here, I think you get the picture of how you would feel about that. Now as far as bringing her to you first... chances are just about zero that will happen, believe me. Plus any good woman will look down upon this as a good and honest man will want to see her homeland and meet her family. Meeting her family is VERY IMPORTANT!! They will want to meet the man that wants to take their daughter far away from them, its very much a sign of respect for her parents. Well thats all for now and I hope it help a little bit for you and anyone else out there that is new to this.
Wes, it is an expensive endeavor, my friend. I calculated I am about 7000-8000 bucks into my wallet now after months of writing and now having just gotten back from my trip (includes mail, phone calls, flowers, engagement ring, flight, hotel, spending money, etc.) Another website (i wont say it, some of you guys know which one LOL) says count on 7000-10000 from start to finish for finding and marrying a FSU lady. And, I havent even got her visa yet. Then I will have a plane ticket, some stuff she will need when she gets here early next year, etc. You gotta plan on at least this much. But brother, I think it is worth it. Like you said, the comparison of ladies here and there is just not the same. Sure, there are plenty of pretty girls everywhere in the world. But I gotta tell ya, What a bummer coming back from Russia in the summer and the beautiful ladies and the sexy, classy outfits to american women in baggy shorts and tshirts...I miss Russia already!! Luckily I am going back in early december for a visit while we wait for her visa. Of course, then, all I will see is the womens beautiful faces due to the cold!
So, I guess then it is pretty hard for a girl to get a tourist visa for a couple weeks to visit Disney World in Orlando. Is it the same in all of these different countries? Are some countries less of a hassle than others? These Moldavian women look so good and seem so sweet. Who knows where to go for the least hassles to get a girl out of her country?
Does the bearing straight between Alaska and Russia freeze all the way across in the winter? Maybe the sharks would be less of a problem crossing than a pack of hungry polar bears. Ten grand to get her here, then I will have to take care of her too, of course she will be young, I will have to take care of her along time, and then I have been asking for a woman with a child, man I need a shrink. Maybe my friends are right, just call the escort service. I would stick close to home to find a woman, I know there are some good women here, seems they all have a girl friend though!
Wes, almost impossible for her to get a tourist visa from a FSU. Trust me, I have done the homework on this. Your best bet is to visit her, and then apply for a fiance visa (k-1) and wait like I am waiting, up to 6-7 months from filing....Ah the wait....I hate it but all good things come with time.
I have no idea of the paper work. What kind of paper work do you have to provide, do you have to provide financial afifidavits with the visa application, It happened today I have been writing this girl that I picked out on day one, it did not get off too a hot start like all the scammer girls I have been writing so I thought she was not so impressed, all the time she was reading between the lines, she sent me a great letter today and informed me of her intentions, she is not in Ukraine though, the Russian Heartland.
I have no idea of the paper work. What kind of paper work do you have to provide, do you have to provide financial afifidavits with the visa application, It happened today I have been writing this girl that I picked out on day one, it did not get off too a hot start like all the scammer girls I have been writing so I thought she was not so impressed, all the time she was reading between the lines, she sent me a great letter today and informed me of her intentions, she is not in Ukraine though, the Russian Heartland.
Wes, basically here is the deal. Keep writing until one or two emerges from the pack. In the beginning, I honestly wrote to 50-100 different girls. I can type pretty fast! Then, after a month or so of writing more or less exclusively to a couple of girls, you may narrow it down to one, like I did. Then, you make travel arrangements to go see her (or them, although it has been written if you go to see only one, you have a better chance of success with her-it is in the Russian culture). If you hit it off, which more than likely you will because you will have written many letters and learned a lot about her and vice versa. Take the opportunity to call her. If her english is bad, use this site's translated phone conference call service. It impresses the girls very much. It costs some bucks, but it is worth it to hear their voice, laugh, etc. You can get immediate answers to your questions, etc. I probably wrote 60 emails to my fiance and called her about 6-8 times before going over to meet her. It was worth the time and money spent on calls, etc. Also, when you get somewhat serious with one or two, make sure you use this site's service to sent flowers. The reaction I always get is worth it. three, five roses makes a good impression and costs about 45 bucks. Always send odd number of flowers as even number is used for funerals, etc. in Russia. The site will take care of that for you. THEN, like me, if you propose and she accepts, you have to apply for a k-1 fiance visa. The paperwork and legwork are enormous. That is why I hired a professional immigration attorney to do most of the work for me. Immigration law is all they do. Dont trust your family attorney for this type of law. Again, it costs some bucks, but again, worth it. THEN, AGAIN LIKE ME!! You wait for the visa to come through. In my case, since I live in Ohio, I am looking at 6-7 months once all of the paperwork is sent to the USCIS (formerly the INS). Depending on where you live in US, it could be slower or faster.
The real women's letters will be much more cautious than the full steam ahead of the scammers. THey are only human and need to find out as much about you as you do about them. To get a letter from a considerate, kind man is very important to them. I know because of my girl but also when I was in Russia, I met the staff of her marriage agency and several other girls looking for husbands abroad. They told me the same thing: A nice guy who is willing to be a man and who is kind and considerate of their needs is highly sought after. But statistics show only 4-5% of all foreign men who write ever make the trip. So the ladies are somewhat cautious about showing their real feelings, because they too know it is rare for a man to actually make the trip. For the longest time, after I told my fiance I was getting plane tickets, passport, etc ready to come see her, she almost didnt believe me! It is all of their hope to have a nice guy come to meet them, but in reality, thousands upon thousands never even meet a guy from the USA (of course depending upon what part of the country you go to - Moscow, foreigners are no big deal. But in Rostov-on-Don where I went, even at the nice hotel where I stayed, the bartender who spoke pretty good english(a rarity in this area) had never met an american!)
Cool Buckeyeman thanks for the word, what did you need for the visa, only four or five percent make it over there hmm! Ok so I better get prepared. Wess Ya got a team up there this year! Gators might show up this year they need the luck though. If they suck, look for Spurrier to come back. Hey I appreciate the help really!