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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > TO THE NEW GUYS!! Scamming defined..... Author Post Buckeyeman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/2/2004 8:09:13 PM   Here is an excerpt ( I wont say where I got it, some of the guys already know LOL). This may help all you new guys asking questions about scammers. The red flags are: The "woman" falls in love with you very quickly, within 3-5 letters; A new picture (more and more provocative) is sent with every letter; She talks a lot about issues of honesty and trust; She does not answer your questions, or answers are not included in the main text of the letter - seems as though somebody just added them to a letter that was prewritten (you might think it's because of the language barrier). Letters arrive regularly; often the same time of the day, every day or 5 days a week; She wants to meet you as soon as possible to "prove" her love to you, and the best option is her visiting you; she has a way of getting a visa to your country without any problem, and it covers even USA and Canada where to get a visa for a single Russian female is virtually impossible (usually with the help of relatives or University); She draws attractive pictures of what you two can do when you meet... very romantic! If you hesitate or try to do things in your way, she becomes very upset/angry, and claims that if you don't trust her it's better not to meet/correspond at all and end the relationship. The common phrase used by scammers is "Your acts tell more than your words". Those are DEFINITE red flags, and if your situation develops like this, forget about this "woman". Some men told me that they cannot forget the woman and will go on, getting her or breaking their hearts. They forget the fact that in reality THEY ARE NOT IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE WOMAN. They are corresponding with a criminal whose sole aim is to rip them off. All is false - pictures, letters, words and feelings. If your correspondent behaves in such a way, IT IS NOT A REAL WOMAN. It is a scammer!!! There are some corresponding danger signs that you should also watch out for. Those signs do not make the picture on their own but often accompany scams: The woman is VERY attractive and younger than you; She is surprisingly mature and all she wants from life is a happy family and children; she is not interested in things that are typical for her age like discos, parties, dancing, fashion, night clubs, career, and of course she is not interested in your money; She is usually a student or has a very modest income; she is seldom a professional or business owner, she is never successful and does not live well even according to the Russian standards; She is frequently using words such as 'dear', 'lovely' along with your name or without it throughout the letters, sometimes in every second sentence. She does not have children and has never been married. "Light" scammers may list 1 child under 10 years old; but it is very unusual. There is something miserable about her situation that makes you feel sorry for her (her father left them when she was a baby and her mother struggled to bring her up; her mother/child is very sick; she had to move to a strange city where she does not have friends, her parents are dead, etc). SO new guys, read this and Study iT!!! sanchopanza Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/3/2004 6:01:03 AM   Actually. those are bad signs and 'red flags' but how is 'Scamming' defined? * asking for money? * wasting time? * or??? Buckeyeman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/3/2004 6:47:35 AM   Ok, ok, not the best title for this thread...writing to men falling in love(?), then asking for money for visa, sick mother, etc. and then disappearing into the russian 'abyss'.... sanchopanza Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/3/2004 7:00:26 AM   Receiving money under false pretences? "Playing around" without serious intentions not 'scamming' as long as no money changes hand??? dreamfinder Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/3/2004 8:57:44 AM   "Looking for your dream date? Click here! Stop waiting, start living! Join today and discover how much you are WANTED! Dedicated to helping you meet your life partner or friend - be it next door or across the world! Meet beautiful Russian, Ukrainian, Asian and Latina women for love, romance, dating, friendship and marriage Do yourself a favor and see why these ladies are so desirable for love and marriage due to their traditional values and natural beauty!" Hey, men, it is not an invitation to bride-per-post (or something like that), so what do you define under "serious intensions"? Not just marriage, for sure. And no asking for money... Buckeyeman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/3/2004 11:07:03 AM   sancho, true, as long as money does not change hands, you havent been scammer per say. But why play around, like you said. Are you serious about finding someone, or just writing for fun? Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/3/2004 3:38:39 PM   Sanch, I'll receive your money under whatever pretences you may seem fit, unless we're talking small change here. Just tell me how & where I should park the wheelbarrow :)) Buckeyeman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/3/2004 6:39:19 PM   Same goes, here TD. If you are interested in finding someone who will say all the right things and you will give me money, I can do that!!! :-) wessman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/3/2004 6:47:00 PM   Buckeyeman i want to show you something. Buckeyeman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/3/2004 8:35:49 PM   Wess, show away!!! Does it involve rubles? :-)) southernman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/4/2004 2:46:02 AM   Scamming? 65% of american business. Tell you anything to get your money. False advertisement!! False intentions!! LIES all LIES!!Scam is not in my dictionary but this is what I do have. Scamp::a worthless fellow, rascal. scandal:: anything that offends morals and leads to disgrace. shame, outrage,etc. caused by this disgrace. malicious gossip. scandalize:: to outrage the moral feelings of by improper conduct. Sounds like where the word would come from to me. If you were scamed would you anounce it publicly. No, you have been disgraced, outraged and shamed by an immoral worthless rascal. snookman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/4/2004 5:07:41 AM   Buck, the nail hath been hit squarely upon the head. about 85% of your topic is where my situtation was headed, i took your previous advice and confronted the issues. no response yet but thats O.K. maybe they have not come up with a packaged letter trying to redeem themselves yet. wessman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/4/2004 10:38:26 AM   There is more than money involved, when it is said and done and you finally realize this women has put you together like a ham sammich, even if you get off the bus before she gets a token you have hurt feelings, wounded pride, maybe you feel like a real sucker for buying into the big B.S., then of course if she was smooth and it took weeks to figure it out then you have developed this attachment thing, there is a certain amount of pain, anger and resentment involved with the scam It is not just dollars and cents guy's, not if we are truthful. I write a lot of letters to women that I know I am not going to meet, fall in love with, or go visit, I write letters to woman because they are nice, have a different view point, offer a new way to appreciate some things and just for the fun of it. I know though that nothing is going to come of it. Maybe some of us are more sensitive, I know the Macho men will insert gullible there, but some of us after weeks of writing and trying to connect, when the rug is yanked out from under, hopes of all sorts are dashed. So there is more to it than the money. I might not know how to describe it so well but there is a plethora of crushed feelings and emotions scattered in the wake of saddness and disapointment. Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/4/2004 11:22:33 AM   And there is much hurt from the girl's side, when girls are played tricks on, with asking for money and without it...I heard many cases of such tricks...what is the saddest thing that in one case the girl almost killed herself, luckily the doctors were in time to save her, one girl stopped all her attempts for finding a husband. And I'm sure that there are many cases of such tricks, so I think that maybe we should talk about 2sided scam, what do you think???? Buckeyeman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/4/2004 2:10:55 PM   Ptichka, Good point. Of course FSU women are never asked for money, but many , many give their hopes and dreams and hearts into finding a worthwhile man, and of course, being a numbers guy, about 4-5 % of all men who write ever make the trip to see a FSU girl in person. SO, when I traveled to meet my fiance, she couldnt believe it really until I landed on the plane and saw her for the first time. It is a dream for many women to meet a nice guy from abroad, with all the problems many of them have with FSU men. SO , Ptichka, I see your point as well. Too many times guys write for the thrill of it all, rather than the serious intention of actually meeting a future wife. Snook, I am glad to see you confronted the issues. You may never get a response. THe key is you did your part. IF it is part of a scam, the scammers have moved on to someone else, they look for easy prey, not ones that confront them. Good Job:-) Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/4/2004 2:17:47 PM   Buckeyeman you wrote "Of course FSU women are never asked for money,", but they are asked for money...really, one of my friends told a story her friend told, when she was writing to a nice man, and after several letters, he wrote that he needs some money to finish education, that some sum will be provided by his sister, and the rest that girl he was writing to could send him, and when he will finish his education they will get married and be happy!!! Buckeyeman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/4/2004 2:55:42 PM   Ptichka, you would have to agree (and I do see your point) that a case like this is very rare. It would be probably 1 woman for every 100 hundred men that are asked for money. WOuld you agree with this? :-) Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/4/2004 3:04:47 PM   I don't know...you see I don't have any statistics, and I'm not into this business, so I can't say anything for sure. Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/4/2004 3:17:38 PM   Ptich' Ever heard of 419 Scams? Advance Fee Fraud, the national hobby in Nigeria, spread by the internet worldwide and having reaped billions. Having matured from amateuristic spam into blue collar professionalism, up to a level whereby two South American Banks went bank! 419 works like this - I've got a fortune stashed somewhere, and I need money to get my hands on it. You give me that money and I'll give you a substantial share, normally in the region of several millions. Still very much alive, and amoungst others whole forums have sprouted around this subject. Don't have the link anymore but there's a site where several stories stand out. If you believe it all then a 10-year old boy got $5 from the scammer 'to gain his trust'. The story has it that he was the first to get money out of a 419-artist, and apparently there's some ego-battle going on who will shake the biggest amount loose from one of these scammers, normally poor 'employees' of syndicate-bosses for which the smallest amount is a high one. Whatever the case may be, your story just let me think of this kind of 'competition'. Who in his right mind tries to shake some money loose from someone hardly known for owning riches is beyond me, but do keep in mind that amoung those also scammers are present, in your location apparently abundant. Looney's are found everywhere, and it just might be that some wankers are having fun trying to see who will get the most out of these women, and now I'm talking financially speaking only. It goes without saying that more could be squeezed out of someone genuine, but gullible it remains. I am unaware of the existence of such nerdish 'competition' however would not exclude the possibility of it being true, for I simply fail to see any other reason why someone would address Russian women specifically. Personally I'd go for Ukrainians. So btw, could you lend me $10 ? ;-)) Ptichka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/4/2004 3:30:25 PM   Thunderdome of course I know about Negirian scam, who doesn't know about it???? Got myself several letters of it. But you see that story I told you was a completely different one, that person showed that he liked that girl...it was like those scammers letters posted here somewhere on the forum but from girl's side. And don't think that way, if a woman from here falls in love, she will sell everything she has to help her man!! And this is for what that man counted, luckily she wasn't in love yet. 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