glad,
I venture to guess that ranji is really really really angry about something somewhat connected to our quest of finding a good woman, but I doubt that he knows clearly what the hell it is that makes him so sore at us.
Ranj, most people do not want obedience, for that you can buy a dog. And asian girls are not all obediant, maybe the traditional view of an asian girl, it is 2004 you know. Most here want a understadning girl who is willing to work for the good of a family unit in stead of listening to all the modern feminists who says she should be a super mum which must have a rewarding career and outs her family second to her own needs and statis.
And as far as I know Asian girls and thei behavior also change, they start taking part in sports and I think do rather good:) And also don't forget that girl who took part in the beauty contest...I think it's a very good sign:) I'm not a feminist...but I hate the idea when a girl is supposed to keep silence when men are talking, and whose only goal should be sitting at home and that's all....I think that a girl should have other interests, follow the news and things that happen in the world, and not be a dog (as ID good said) for her husband, but be a partner in family life:)
"...Ranj, most people do not want obedience, for that you can buy a dog..."
ID,
I don't think so, lol...After all, aren't the ones who follow the western feminist modern mantra of male castration often called 'bitches'???
Complete and permanent obedience and submission is a gift, usually exchanged between people who represent a tiny, itsy, bitsy, small segment of most modern western societies.
This gift does not match what most western men seek in regards to traditional family values and lifestyle.
You have the western feminazi spin propaganda to blame for the exaggerations and flat out lies that aims to convince you that a woman who succesfully takes care of her home, husband and children is nothing more than a kitchen/bedroom slave to her man.
"....asian women are not obedient.
but western men think so..."
Ranjit,
Among my clients I have quite a few couples with a US man married to an asian woman for well over 30 years.
Most of the husbands are retired military officers and well educated people.
I know each and every one of these couples very well.
Every cent they have earned or spend, most of their habits outside the bedroom, their goals and dreams and the things that make them tick.
None of their asian wives are household ornaments.
What you or other western feminazi garbage fed people call obedience is nothing more than complete devotion of each individual to reach the common goal of prosperity, happiness and overall well being for the family nucleus they created by performing their roles in a compatible manner.
Go ahead, call it obedience, slavery, kitchen submission or any other full of caca term you want....I know it's none of that.
GLTALLTOAD
the men you tell about perhaps meet woman in her own country.
Some men want mail order bride on internet who is obedient as they think asian is , but with white skin blond hair blue eyes.
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It not a matter of "obedience" that drives western men to look for Eastern European women. Its more of a matter of respect for traditional roles. Few of us (certainly not me) are looking for a woman to be our obedient companion. That is the false argument advanced by spoiled western women who wonder why so many men are looking elsewhere.
There are traditional roles that may very slightly from culture to culture, but similarity is that men are men and women are women. Neither is better or worse but they are most certainly different.
In the west a woman can play any role she wants. All things are available to women and they dictate the how and when and why a man might be useful in their lives. Women like to play male roles and it is up to the man to guess when (if ever) she expects a man to be a man. It IS social castration - and it is not politically or socially correct to question it. While women my welcome this confusing new position they have enjoyed in the last few decades it is quite frustrating for men.
Eastern European women are NOT obedient. If you expect that you can give a command and they will follow with no questioning - you are in for a surprise. But if you expect them to link your arm as you walk down the street, to have you hold the door for them and for them to be pleased when you buy them flowers (even though like a western women they can always buy flowers for themselves) you might just be gratified.
I write this to you from Latvia, where unfortunately, it seems that western contamination has begun to creep in. I am American, but I am aware that Western European women share some of the same problems of feminism. And it seems that as Latvia reaches to western Europe with its thriving economy and values, not surprisingly it has turned its back to every aspect of Eastern Europe (Western Europeans, Americans, even the Japanese don't need a visa to get into this place, but Russians and Ukrainians do) and the culture is shifting just as fast as the economy and landscape (which seems different practically from morning to night with all the new construction).
This culture is country is changing already. If westerners really want to find the women that those of us on this forum seek - take fair warning - they may be best found in other FSU countries.
you are right. The Baltics developed dramatically during the last 10 years. I was there last year and I consider it to be even more impressive in Estonia, famous for the young successful business ladies and also for the cohorts of finish guys arriving each weekend there and drink all available alcoholic beverages.
Anyway, Riga and Tallin are both nice cities, many old buildings.....and nearly western prizes.
As far as I know Estonia has one of the highest internet rate of whole Europe.
In my opinion the attitude of local girls are anywhere in the middle between, lets say, Ukraina and an average western country.
But, hm, every woman is different :-)
WT:
I will risk the corrupt police. I will wait the long periods of time required for visa approval. Kind of like climbing the highest mountains and swimming the deepest seas in a sort of way, to find the lady I am looking for.
That means I will most likely go to Moldova or Ukraine or Russia next - if things don't work out with one I already know.
Baltic States dont CHANGE, they DEVELOP! Im absolutely chocked somebody think its bad we got out of soviet crap. And insted of finnish drunkers we have british stags now in Estonia making troubles.
I`m Ukrainian, my mother tongue is Russian. So, because from these first lines you are pleased to be tolerant to my modest English. This is my thawing hope that my English is a little better then your Russian or Latvian, or Ukrainian. Am I right?
Hello, Gentlemen:)
Funny to read yours forum!
Hello, Jetmba - American man from Latvia:) and Worldtraveller.
So sorry to hear your disappointment with Baltic ladies...
And still it was pleasure to find your sincere opinions.
I want to share with you an experience from last year that came back to me reading your forum - I mean the memory about foreign men who’ve visited Eastern Europe in hopes of finding someone to love and cherish. I really feel for the many men who’ve put their dreams online, in the same hopes.
…On June, a year ago I met an interesting intercooler going by train from Riga to Jurmala (from work to home, the way usually take me about 30 minutes). Walking through the railway station I bought for my daughter her favorite English magazine In Style. Then sit into train and started to read it. There are not too much passengers and I plunged deeply into an article.
Suddenly I heard a voice:
-Madam, excise me, please, let me sit down beside of you?
-Yes, please, - I saw a smiling noble-looking man in the age about 55-60+ years old.
-So nice to met an English speaking intercooler! Do you like the magazine?
-Yes, I bought it for my daughter.
-Do you want to know what do I do going by train to Jurmala? I go to my first date with an Especial Lady.
-Oh, how interesting… Do you met your Everlasting Dream?
-I`m American, came to Latvia some days ago finding the Woman of my Dream. Before taking the trip I had write to seven Latvian ladies, I dreamt seriously one about two of them…
-And then what?
-I know that I see you at first and the last time on my life,- I caught his glance in my left hand, in my modest ring with a little brilliant, - that`s good that you are married…
-Yes, that`s good that I`m married,- :) he did not knows that in Russia wedding rings are golden with no stones at all and we wear it in the right hand the only :) My ring I wear for just my pleasure. Then he asked me about the stop he needs. - You have to leave the train in two stations after mines. So, I should go now. Good luck.
-Madam, please, I have two spare hours before I meet my lady. I would like to invite you for a cup of coffee or to a light dinner.
-…, - I felt that he needs some of my advises. His experience was interesting for me as well and I said: "There are no as good coffee or bakery, as a pleasant restaurant here. So, I would like to share with you a walk along the beach exactly to the place where you plan to meet your lady", - this moment I saw happiness into his eyes.
Going through a small market, he bought two kilos of wonderful strawberries and we go to the beach. We set down to sand, it was lovely sunny afternoon. We eat berries like two children, joking and smiling each to other. There was not any distance between us, we both felt absolutely comfort talking about bagatelles. And suddenly he stopped the funny talk:
-I met six of seven women I planed to visit in Latvia. Sorry to say but I went through huge disappointment some days ago… I understood that I made a strategically mistake writing to all these ladies... We told about anything except the most important for ME things. They know about my house, my savings, my Past… Even NOT ONE did not asked me about MY dreams, about WHAT do I try to find in her country, WHAT do I want…
-Tell ME, please, what are you looking for, tell ME about your dreams and wishes.
-Please, don`t look at me like an older man… If would you can feel how young is my heart… I want to be very open and sincere with you, I need your help, your advise. I`m looking for a feminine, sensual, sexy, fun-loving, loving and active woman who is adventurous, open and honest, who enjoys being treated like a lady, and who is as passionate as myself and who appreciates someone who is understanding and supportive of her life and desires.
-…,- it was a huge pause and his deep sight.
-What are YOU looking for are you dreaming, wonderful lady? What are YOU waiting for?
-… The SAME… Please, be sincere and open with the lady, say her the same words, the same passionate intonation. I`m sure THE way IS right. All the world breathing and living by the name of LOVE.
We told about sex, about intimacy by very open and really clear language. He opened for me so many sides of the nature of man… I was endlessly grateful to my fate for the instant meeting with the gentleman.
Here is the end of the story. Many times on my memory I back to his questions, his thoughts, his emotions.
… We came to the place of his meeting with the lady about 15 minutes before and I gone away...
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