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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > How to avoid being scammed by a Russian Florist Author Post Norwegian Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/8/2005 12:27:17 PM   I found this, it is an article by a Russian Florist. Read carefully, I think he have a point... The question was the same as the topic, and he replied: The answer is very simple: just deliver her flowers. I am completely serious! Let's see what happens. All these tricks are based on the fact that the man (M) can not locate his correspondent (F). He knows her e-mail address in some free internet service like YAHOO, or uses e-mail forwarding services offered by the agency where he purchased her address. He has seen her beautiful and attractive pictures. Maybe even pictures of her family, child, and cat. He has read her letters. He maybe even has her postal address and phone number, but has never used them. And when M has finally been robbed by F and begins to analyze their communication, he finds out that he can not even tell, is she a real person or not? He sees that it could be a male, an old ugly monster, or a group of young pranksters. Almost every city in former USSR has a flower delivery service. If you order from such a service the delivery of flowers for your correspondent you would never fall into the role of victim I described above. Obviously, you should not to use the flower services offered by the agency from which you have obtained her contact data if you have some doubts of its reliability. As a rule, flower delivery services offer the photographing of the addressee with your gift. Order this service from them. After your order is accomplished you will know FOR SURE that: • your correspondent really exists and the pictures she sent you really belong to her; • the contact data she gave you are real: her phone number belongs to her and she really lives at the address which you have; • she really has an attraction for you and you have gladdened a nice pretty woman with your gift. I render flower delivery service in Minsk and during Valentine's Day and the Russian holiday on the 8th of March 2000 my service discovered 6 scammers. I just could not find the ladies to whom I should deliver flowers from their gallant men. The phones and addresses of women which my clients gave me did not belong to the women they had been writing. One lady disappeared after she knew that I had to take her picture with delivered gifts. At least I will take his advice. Norwegian Norwegian Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/8/2005 12:29:43 PM   About the choise of title on the topic... Ok, I know it sounds like the florist is the one that will scam you. My english isn't the best, and I discovered the writing error a little too late... sorry wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/8/2005 2:30:49 PM   Norwegian, if you pick a reputable flower deliver / gift delivery service, they won't scam you. I've used such service in the past and I was satisfied, it does work for this purpose and sending flowers is a very nice gesture. Norwegian Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/8/2005 3:21:52 PM   wtrav, The article is a little misunderstood.. The topic should have been: HOW TO AVOID BEING SCAMMED, written by A RUSSIAN FLORIST... He says it is clever to send flowers, you can even get the florist to take picture of the person you send to when they have the flowers. That way you can compare the photos you received from the woman with the one from the florist... Norwegian Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/8/2005 10:58:47 PM   OLGA or someone, Is it possible for someone to correct the subject of the topic? My english made it look like something else than it was supposed to... Read the message above please... Some moderator must have the opportunity to fix this I hope... OR do I have to re-post it to get it correct? I think his advise is really good... Norwegian jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/9/2005 2:53:25 AM   Two concerns regarding Russian florists (or more properly - Russian gift delivery services). First - I have found that the flowers are not always fresh. You pay a lot of money for these services - and yet girls complain that the pedals are practically falling of the roses - and they do so completely within a day or so. Second - Delivery time and date mean practically nothing to these companies. I ordered a delivery on International Womens Day a month in advance - paying a $15 premium to be certain that the gift was actually delivered on the right day. (Its a very popular holiday for flower delivery.) A week later I received notification that the flowers had been deliverd and my lady confirmed that she had received them. Forget the requested day I had or the premium I paid - there was nothing much I could do. As you probably know - Christmas is January 7th in the FSU. So I ordered two gifts (champaign and chocolate) to be deliverd on 10:00 am on that day. Of course it wasn't. I spoke to her later in the day and she had received nothing. I then wrote to the delivery company expressing my disappointment and telling them that if they could not deleiver them on time - they were not to deliver them at all. And refund my money. Today, on January 9, they delivered, and notified me. I am going to try and get my moeny back. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/9/2005 3:38:58 AM   Okay - another problem with dealing with a foreign (FSU) gift delivery company. I companined to them a few hours ago - about their late delivery saying that I wanted my money back. I told them that they delivered on the wrong day and that they only actually delivered after I wrote my first letter expressly telling them not to (the first day after). They just wrote back to me telling me that they don't care if I never use their service again - and that they will be happy to refund my money, but that they will then have a courrier visit my lady and her mother (who live alone) to get the gifts back. Of course, any reaonable person can see it is a threat against the personal safety of one I care deeply about - because obviously they have most likely eaten the candy and drank the champaign. Obviously I told them not to do that and that I would not order the credit card company to withhold funds. But I certainly will never deal with these people again. Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/9/2005 6:13:17 AM   Norwegian, stop pining for the Fjords - this system does not have an edit-function hence when you hit enter your entry will be posted verbatim. Then again, those who read more than only the title will know what's meant, and indeed using such a service may aid in convincing the sender that the recipient is like they claim to be. It would seem you've discovered this recently but it is practised commonly, and you may want to know that services exist which do quite a bit more upon delivery than taking a picture. Full background-checks cost more but are for the very wary, and in fact the delivery itself then is almost an excuse for ringing the bell. Jet, in the above your MBA shines through if you don't mind me saying this. You surely did not expect to have your delivery made on, except for the date, 10h00? Look at it from their point of view - loads of deliveries to be made, in fact an exceptional amount, and then you specify a time? Irrespective of your forward planning & payment, they simply cannot cope on days like that. Yeah, I know, not fair, bad business practise and all that, but reversing your CC-debit also goes a bit far, especially when the delivery has been made (yep, too late, but made). I've used various services and am - in priciple - happy with all. My only grudge is that some advertise that deliveries can be made anywhere, and this bit turns out not to be true. Some, apparently remote, locations are either simply not delivered to or the surcharge for this is exorbitant (like $120 extra), especially when only an additional distance of 100km (from a listed location) is involved. Oh no, not a single farmhouse but a complete village, not even too small by the sounds of it, however no deliveries. I've even tried to contact the local florist but of course no luck. The sites listing the towns they deliver to have sometimes a query-function regarding non-listed towns, and these produce varying answers. But the bigger cities hardly pose a problem, but then stick to companies you either know or think you can trust. So far Flamingo has done what I've paid for, by the responses I got properly also, and when I had a problem with that one location I got my money back. When I complained (here, this forum) that their website added extra cost for special (busy) days on the final page, a thing I considered to be unfair as the advertised prices were quite different, they'd promised to have this changed and presumably have done since. I'd say you've been unlucky Jet, but I'm sure you also will agree with me that at least your idea of sending a gift will remain. Maybe try another company next time? jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/9/2005 6:30:16 AM   Thunder: The day and the time were both options on the ordering website. Often when it is a popular day (like Russian Orthodox Christmas or International Woman's Day) there is a surcharge this time there was none. Regarding location - she lives in the capital city of Chisinau - and right on a main steet. Very easy to find. Its not as if she lives in the backwoods somewhere. I would say that my MBA might be obvious by the fact that I expected them to use good business sense. If you screw up an order and the customer demands a refund - give it to him. You will make up for it in goodwill, customer recommendations and future business. Instead my lady was basically threatened (they would send someone to "get it back" when these were consumabales that were already eaten) and I was basically told to shove it. OF COURSE I will not deal with them again. Norwegian Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/9/2005 8:58:34 AM   Hi Thunderdome, I see, well actually I did not expect it to be possible to edit, but I sort of hoped it, to give the topic the right meaning. I will try to re-post it with a new name for the topic, I think a lot of people just read the head line and moves on to the next topic. Let's hope this post dies fast and quietly. Thunderdome, yes you are 100% right, I just found this out. I will not hesitate to use their services for this purpose another time if I don't feel very sure about the girl... :) Thanks T wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/9/2005 9:12:38 AM   I never had any delays sending flowers to my wife, but the first time although I ordered nineteen red roses, they took the initiative to replace them with white roses because they were fresher (!). The flower delivery service said nothing to me about the change in color. I discovered when they sent me the one photo that was part of the order. I was so glad to see her genuine smile bursting satisfaction that I didn't complain right away to the delivery service about the change in color. After a few days though, I complained to them and they actually said that they were doing me a favor because had they sent red roses they would not be fresh. If the order is express they can't always find the right color and if that is the case, they typically will send another color roses. So, basically flowers mean nothing to these people, they can alter the message that I want to send from passion to innosence and friendship and that's perfectly fine for a Russian gift delivery service. When I discovered white roses had been sent and in order to avoid embarassment I downplayed it to my wife and said that we hadn't met yet and I wanted to build on friendship ... later when we discussed this after I met her, I told her the truth and she said that she was puzzled by the white color and what that might meant, but she loved the roses anyway. deanis Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/9/2005 3:28:30 PM   Personally I would never send a gift of any sort until I have met the girl in person. That being said. When I arrive in any city of the FSU I create a support network of sorts. Usually an interpreter or someone who speaks good English that I have befriended. When I want to send flowers to my girl I hire my interpreter or friend to do it for me. Send them money Western Union and its a done deal. I know my delivery will be made and I know that the flowers will be hand picked by someone who respects me. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/9/2005 5:31:27 PM   deanis: With a $20 service charge on any part of the first $100 through Western Union - that's already quite a hefty service charge. (Send $50 and pay $20 more for the transaction and you are getting hit with a 40% surcharge.) I have to admit - I am not a network builder - yes, you heard me right. I'm a misfit MBA who entirely lacks the skills to arbitrarily build a support network for a romantic endeavor. And far from not having met this girl yet - I have spent five weeks with her and am in the process of bringing her, my fiance, to the US. wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/9/2005 5:58:22 PM   Deanis, how are you man? are you gonna settle or what you drifter:) When are you going back to Ukraine? wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/9/2005 5:59:51 PM   To my knowledge deanis is the most experienced member of this forum in FSU women, FSU trips, etc. with a history going back six seven years. deanis Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/10/2005 3:06:07 AM   LOL Wtrav! Not the most experienced. But I do have some miles behind me now. First trip was to see one girl in Russia in August of 2000. Second trip to see same girl in August 2001. Then St. Pete April 2003, Moscow June 2003, Yalta July 2003, Kharkov September 2003 (Your thread on this city was a confincing factor)thank you. Then Kharkov/Kiev January 2004, Then the big one, Kharkov/Kiev all summer 2004. I'm doing good Wtrav! I'm still searching for the girl of my dreams but I'm also having fun doing it! I'm hoping to return to Kharkov in May. I plan to hit some other cities while I'm there this time. Maybe Dnipropetrovsk or Poltava. My new email is deanis1010@hotmail.com. Give me a shout Wtrav! I have some good pics for you! How is the married life? I envy you guys who have found the one! wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/10/2005 8:09:42 AM   Deanis, your a precious, stylish old corvette instead of a fancy, brad new oldsmobile, happy to hear you're doing great :) I'll give you the yell soon. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/10/2005 10:20:01 AM   Trav - the email address you have listed here (tht appears beneath your name in the left column) is still your old one - that doesn't work anymore, Would you mind either rewriting it here, so that I can write to you - or send me an email and I will reply. I'd like to send you a picture of my wife-to-be. After all - you were here when I started this things so long ago. I know you gave me your address once before but I have no idea where (which thread) it is in. wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/10/2005 12:49:13 PM   jet, I misplaced yours as well as I did deanis' in the past. Now, I began storing them on a pidiei. Mine is: dvyl100@hotmail.com. What's yours? I don't know why sometimes the address shows and sometimes doesn't. Should I take a chair, sit and hold tight? am I gonna be blown away? wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/10/2005 12:50:46 PM   jet, scratch that about your address, now it shows up, I wrote it. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > How to avoid being scammed by a Russian Florist
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