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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Upside down thinking Author Post GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2005 12:30:05 AM   Most of you who have been reading my diahrrea of the mouth for any length of time know what my opinions are regarding the american way of life and in particular the state of mind of the average (5'4"/170) american woman...what she thinks, wants and expects from their relationships with the men in their lives. In this forum I am brutally blunt in a venting manner because the audience is primarily male....you rat bastards can take it the cynicsm, sarcasm and somewhat absurd exaggerations....(I hope) When I explain my opinions to Lena I go out of my way to present them in the mildest manner possible. Still she blows up with her favorite phrase to describe american women mentality..."that's upside down thinking!!" I ADORE this woman...:))) toad Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2005 2:37:45 AM   Yesssss.... and that very LAST bit, my dear Gustavo, is cristal clear from your posts - but NOT in the way you think it is! Et bravo, make no mistake. Some sideline-observers here have noted that the content of some posters here, several but you amoung them, has changed over the past. Changes range from lesser this' & more that's, but, when down to nitty-gritty level, they have become more friendly, less evasive and also, in some cases, more and longer. Want names? C'est tu Brute, et Izi, and good ol' Dale, a certain petrolhead, Jet seems also as happy as a pig in shit, and a few others show some metamorphosis to a lesser extent. All of these have become a bit more personal, less direct or hard, let's call it more politically correct & gentlemenly friendly, this merely caused by the presence of a nice woman in their lives. Who do you think you are, you bunch of sissies? This is a MALE forum, so start flaming here, punch someone, be rude, act like a guy instead of addicts - surely it's a well known fact that a nice woman is addictive? ;-)) As a footnote: all the women in question have made this forum a nice one, and the contents have changed in such a way that even new guys remark on this. So treat them well, imagine what they can do for an individual :) QuietCharm Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2005 5:13:57 AM   Ad Nauseum, Toad. Always funny reading your hypocritical, repetitive prattle. Let's see. DONT send money to FSU ladies. Yet, both you and Jet have taken enough 'inexpensive' gifts and provided enough info to clearly show your ladies you have pots of it. And you think that isn't influencing their thinking? Reminds me of when you got frustrated, when these unsophisticated paupers could not relate to your hedonistic lifestyle. Well. Telling them all about it is a bit of a clue that you have lots of lovely wads of cash to dispense, wouldn't you say? So, readers. As Toad says. DONT send money under any circumstances. Just let them know through letters and phone calls that you're swimming in the green stuff. And what does our cunning young femme fatale realise? This old paedophile, is so blinded by the taste of youthful flesh and his own bullshit, separating him from his moeny is going to be a breeze. And the pre-nup? Half of nothing, is nothing, baby. And which 'you' does she love? She will no doubt be grateful to you for your 'diplomatically' expressed views... Lol. I nearly choked on my corn flakes... An act on your part. Useful, until you achieve your macho aim of conquest. An artifice more the behaviour of the women you hate so much. But then hypocrisy is one thing you do excel at. What a pleasant surprise she will receive once the initial euphoria of being in lust wanes, and the shopping bills are delivered by truck, and you show your true colours. (People usually can't keep up a pretence for longer than 6 months). What a softie you will be. How much will it remind you of your hatred for women? All that rage spewing out of you when you realise 'your' Lena is no different to the rest. Especially once she sees how the rest of American female society behaves. Now, she scoffs at it. But in year or two? What then, Toadlet? Ban the TV, movies, friends? Keep her away from those corrosive influences? Then there is Jet. His hot eye-candy can't wait to get her bikini out and go to the beach. Every male shark in the area will be lusting after her and how is that going to make our hero feel? Good? or insecure? Do you think he will keep this woman once she gets to know her value in the market place? Troubling thought don't you think? And what happened to the possessive 'MY' Lena. That was hilarious the first time I read it. After how long? A week together?! You funny old fossil, you. The rhetoric has softened TD? Quelle surprise! I fully expected our resident expert, having actually ventured into the FSU, (one visit, one woman) to come back even more full of his own righteous self-importance, dispensing wisdom to his minions. Spawning a plethora of new fridge magnets. And you tell us he's gone soft? Damn. How will we ever cope without his continuously stating the obvious? Jet, too. Renovating flats, paying for flights. They must be rubbing their hands in glee. I can hear the declarations of love now... [Substitute Russian accent for Bangkok]... 'Love you, long time, baby'... plastering liberally administered lipstick over flushed cheeks, while right hand slides down beer belly to rub groin.. Oh, Do you, princess? Really? Y'know... about your mother coming over and staying for 6 months next year... shaggy47435 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2005 5:30:57 AM   Quiet Charm I see your still oozing in it...lol jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2005 6:38:55 AM   Quiet Charm: You must have been feeling quite sarcastic the day you chose your screen name for this forum. I have never met anyone lacking in both characteristics as you are. I remind you that I have spend less than $500 fixing up my fiance's flat over two years. That is HARDLY a king's ransom. And if you think that it is an indication that I am swimming in wealth - I wonder which side of the former iron curtain you grew up on. Do you search the FSU for the wonderful qualities of the ladies there or because you are such a cheap bastard thatno western lady can stand you? Perhaps you should CHANGE your screen name to one that more accurately describes your personality. I think that CHEAP BASTARD is still available. As for me taking my lady to the beach so that she can show off her bikini body. The woman happens to have one (a bikini body). It is a fact. And it seems that I have two choices. I can either attempt to have her cover it up constantly - perhaps becoming Muslim and insisting that she dress as the Muslim women do revealing only her eyes (which are, unfortunately, seductive too - so maybe even not those) or I can allow her to show off her body and SEE how she acts around western men. She has ALWAYS drawn a lot of attention from men of all types as she is very beautiful - but in the seven weeks that I have spent with her I have never known her to show even a tiny amount of a wondering eye. She is more loyal that any western woman I have ever met, bar none. And when she is with me - I am secure in the fact that she is WITH ME. Maybe it is YOUR personality that precludes you from the possibility of a similar relationship. You need the women to be far away and devoid of any other opportunity for you to have a glimmer of a chance. You should tell you women this - though I am sure that many suspect it on first meeting you anyway. Will my fiance be exactly as I expect her to be in the US? I have no crystal ball and cannot tell for sure. That is what the 90 day fiance visa is for. I will consider the possibility as she does and we will reach a mutual decision. I will not hesitate to end the experiment prematurely if things seem to be going awry and she is aware of that. I assume that you are only over there for captive conquest (sort of like shooting fish in a barrel) or that if you ever intend to bring an FSU lady back - you will look for the ugliest and least appealing available so that you will not have to risk losing her in your native country with your "sparkling" personality. as far as your contention is concerned that she can put on a convincing ACT for 90 days or six months - I guess that your perception as far as personality concerned is as obviously flawed as your supposed "charm". IF she could manage to FOOL me for that long then I would deserve what I got - as the dolt that I would be and you obviously are. But there is no way that can happen. Satisfied Thunder? I can still write with a sharp edge. I just need a corresponding fool to bring it out in me. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2005 7:20:00 AM   Oh... and QT - her mother will not be able to join us for the six months you mention, until at least five years have passed. I cannot petition to bring her her as "mother in law" does not quality as a sufficiently close relative form me to have that right. She is certainly NOT my parent, my son or daughter, my husband or wife or my sibling. My FIANCE will have to petition to bring her over. But even in two + years - she will ONLY get her green card and be a "Permanent Resident", not a citizen (which takes two more years). As a Permanent Resident she still does not have the right to petition for her mother to come - she will have to be a full citizen to do that. As I mentione it will take two years after marriage for her to become a full-fledged Permanent Resident, two more years for her to becoe a citizen, and AT LEAST a year (more likely two) for her to come over to live with us. Just curious. Do you EVER know what you are talking about? izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2005 8:26:23 AM   Firstly I really like that expression of Lena's. It is a good way to describe a western woman's way of thinking. Although it isn't fair to plaster them all with the same brush. I have know a few especially Latin woman that want to pull together with her husband to create a future. Not just family wise but also financially. As for QC's post. I see his point of view but I don't agree. I myself have been once to see one woman although I very much don't consider myself to be an expert I also have given advice to new comers both in the forum and outside the forum. I don't know Jet personally but I do Toad. I am glad I kept an open mind and did not alow his online brash overconfident personality to sway me into thinking that he was like that all the time. He is not. QC, although I can see much logic in what you say it is hardly fair. Each one of us is in his own little 'battle' to try to find someone to love from FSU. Good things happen, bad things happen. There are cultural protocols to follow. Giving gifts is one of them. It is the same in many cultures. When I left Malaysia everybody wanted to give me a gift, I still have so many bloody keyrings I don't know what to do with them. I know that the gifts that I gave to Marina did not impress her in the slightest. She liked them but the issue was are we right for each other. Lastly there are too many examples of much younger women marrying guys 20 plus their senior to dismiss it. Sure it is highly suspicious by western standards and I don't think I would take a shot at it myself but who am I to say that they are secretly plotting to take advantage. I DON'T KNOW. I wish them both good luck. Of course being 70 years old with a 19 year old might be a trying situation - FOR ME. Other people roll the dice and take their chances just as I have done there are no guarantees here. You literally put your money down and spin the wheel. Yes I said money. All this takes money. If you haven't got any don't participate. The women don't want a destitute waif, they want a man that can financially support them (and possibly their child) or they aren't going to go with you. If I was them I wouldn't either. Giving gifts and helping in renovations or any other thing provided you know the woman personally and feel sure about the situation is a way to demonstrate that you have the financial muscle to support her. Age be buggered they will all want that. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2005 8:27:29 AM   One more comment. QT - you write so well that each time I read your letter I discover new and fascinating nuances. Your reference to he sliding her hand down my "beer belly"? I have none. Absolutely none. Is it THAT on yourself that makes it so useless for you to decide to develop an appealing persoanlity? Is it you own extented abdomen that upsets you and makes you travel to the FSU hoping to find a woman who will look beyond that and your ohviously cheap nature - but WILL hear you speak English (which is seems might be the only thing that appeals to them about you) so that you might have a chance at one? Again, just curious. izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2005 9:13:11 AM   Jet relax just a little buddy. I know you have been offended but I would lay money that QC is acting as devils advocate here and is not LITERALLY aiming at you or Toad per se. I know he mentioned your names but I think it is a way of pointing something out generally. Anything he says about Toads online personalty is like pissing on a rock it isn't going to offend the rock. I can promise you that QC does not have a beer belly although I do have a middle age spread and am very concious of it. Marina said I was stupid to worry about it. It was given me by God and Dominos Pizza. No amount of dieting will make it go away and short of starving myself I am stuck with it. Genes I am afraid. Fortunatey it is not too bad:))) Could be much worse. My hair transpalant is kicking in nicely though. Did you hear that NOR !!?? Soon I will have a mop like the Beatles !! :)) I would prefer not to scrap and look at what QC has written constructively instead of getting into another online flame out. This forum has again welcomed many newcomers lately and there has been a shitload of good information passed around with no bitterness (much anyway). Is it possible to continue this? Bygones be bygones ? jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2005 9:34:58 AM   I understand what you saying izi - but I get sick of defending myself and the age difference. And the money I send on her - she uses for useful things like imoproving her apartment. Long ago (remember I've known her for two years) she asked me what I paid for seven roses and a bottle of champaign to be delivered to her. When she found that it was around $90 she had a fit. She told me that the gift I was giving her was worth about $12 and the gift I was giving the delivery company was about $78. And she asked me never to do that again. I haven't. So that less than $500 represents quite a bargain. Toad HAS a bit of a blustery personality, I admit, which seems to put a person off at first sometimes, but he seems to be a great guy when you get to know him. Your revelation that he is over 6' 6" didn't surprise me a bit. The personality he exhibits is one that people who are tall (physically large) often seem to develop. Quiet Charm - on the other hand - just seems arrogant and out for a cheap exploitive adventure. Arrogant guys generally hate blustery guys - because they feel that they are somehow being denied the admiration that they think they deserve. I understand that QT was trying to make a point - but it seemed that jealousy was also rearing its ugly head - or maybe admission that he only pretends to be looking for a long term relationship. It is not my intention to participate in a flaming war. But if fired upon - I will CERTAINLY shoot back. Annika77 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2005 10:12:36 AM   We stand four square behind the comments of QC. Dutch fans! izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2005 10:32:15 AM   A very balanced response Jet. I don't blame you for sending money to your lady. It is very easy to just say don't send money but there are all kinds of circumstances here that have to be taken into consideration. It is a case by case situation. I sent money to Marina and I absolutely do not regret it. In fact I feel it was my responsibility because I loved her. I wanted to protect her and make her life more comfortable until we could be together permanently. Unfortuantely it wasn't to be but I would do it again in a heartbeat. She said something to me once (not that long ago) about knowing that the American standard of living was higher. In other words she didn't need me to demonstrate it. There is a big difference between helping someone and showing off. QC is suggesting showing off. I think you were helping. 2 different things. Your lady knows full well that you are incredibly wealthy compared to her. She sees movies and reads magazines she has known you personally for long enough for the 2 of you to decide to marry (possibly). Therefore she understands fully that financially she will be more comfortable in the west. She isn't going to be swayed by a couple of dollars flying over there by Western Union. To start with she is indeed parting from her beloved mother for quite a while. That is a sacrifice indeed for someone who is so close to her mum. It says a lot. I also endorse your comments about the immigration process. I have personally been through it. 6 months from time of marriage to first interview. Another 2 years exacty until (feb 1 1993 to Feb 1 1995) to be a permanent resident alien. Free of a sponsor. Another 3 years until I was eligible to become a citizen without any help from another person. 5 years from date od issue of first greencard. Then she can sponsor her own mother to come. Meanwhile it isn't recommended to travel within the first year at least. It is not forbidden but a little dodgy. Therefore the whole thing is ridiculous to say that this is about money. I know, you know QC does not. QC has his own thing going on. I understand it. It is just another lifestyle. He is a smart man and I respect him. I wish he had not taken a shot at you and Toad but I am getting to a certain point where I don't care anymore. I either ignore it or just disappear for a while. I am fed up arguing with people. It achieves nothing and just irritates the hell out of me. Rent free space in my head and all that stuff. I am always willing to cange my mind. I listen to what is said here and I am willing to admit a mistake and change. Publically!! Some would say it demonstrates naivety, childishness. I say I am just flexible and willing to learn. Therefore I look at what QC has written and try to extract the good out of it. Be honest Jet you don't really in your heart believe he is jealous do you? I also don't think he is explotive I certainly don't think I have seen ay evidence of it. He has had the opportunity to get laid a few times and gone for it. I would have done the same thing. It is very human. Talking some girl into giving it up and then running would be exploitive. I think I have said more than enough and I will now shut up. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2005 10:48:17 AM   Izi: You are a good guy and obviously a peacemaker. I appreciate your efforts. I am less appresiative of comments made by blowhards who neither know me nor my situation and who take a few details, misapply them and then build a ludicrous argument. I don't particularily respect QC in any way. He writes a coherent sentence and takes trips trying to collect as many trophys as cheaply as possible. I note those details about him but they neither command nor deserve respect. I will let the matter rest now as well. I have more important things to do. izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2005 11:01:39 AM   QC I actually do have fridge magnets :)) I love 'em:) nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2005 12:02:05 PM   Jet, You don't have to defend yourself. Screw Them if they don't like your age difference, that's between you and your lady and no one else.I always like these posts when someone assumes they know the motive behind a mans search for the lady in the FSU or why we clicked with a certain woman. Anal bombasts like this one just makes me chuckle and then you get Annika with her two cents which makes about as much sense as pissing in the wind. What is this "We" shit. Annika who cares you are what you are a disgruntled female with issues in your life.My way of seeing this all is age is not an issue. I didn't set out to find at twenty year old, it could have happened but it didn't. What attracted me to Larissa was her mind. She is incredibly intelligent and has a heart of gold. A wit and humor I enjoy beyond belief. The upside down thinking here is to categorize one's motives without knowing the person, the circumstances and background of their relationship with the woman. As the issue of flaunting money, who cares. There are two rules to money. Rule one you either have it or you don't and Rule two if you do have it someone else has more, so who cares. As for Toads diatribes, what's the big deal? What the hell makes the difference if he's been there one time or 20 times? I am amused with the great travellers telling me how many times they have been over and come back empty handed. It sounds to me at times like lack of preparation or lack of communication with the woman, or maybe they just are anal retentive. Why travel 5000 miles to get laid when I can do that right here. No it's a little more deeper and involved than that. I have found in my life the impossible I thought. The almost perfect woman. One that wants love, affection,attention, admiration and willing to give it in return with no strings attached. Our commitment to each other is to love one another everyday like it will be our last. An ideal that is passing very quickly in the states. Love for the sake of love. What motivates a woman to leave a country, family, friends and a lifestyle that she has known for the last 43 years of her life? So the upside down thinking here is trying to assume what motivates each one of us to find our perfect mate. QuietCharm Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2005 12:12:47 PM   '.you rat bastards can take it the cynicsm, sarcasm and somewhat absurd exaggerations....(I hope)' Apparently not.. Must be my upside down thinking. Funny how it only applies to American females and not the males. Let's see. Toad is not arrogant but a bit blustery? Hmm... and his height makes his behaviour acceptable, indeed, to be applauded? While my 'arrogance' is to be despised since it stems from a need for admiration, which is being frustrated by Toad's presence? Phew. That's good. Now we know how to behave. Step up on the scale lads. Tallest can be the rudest. Shortest, pipe down. Very Darwinian. You mentioned the admiration thing long ago when I posted my report about the trip in the van. It puzzled me then as it does now. You also use the term envy. Well. Whatever tickles your MBA. You obviously have a need to get my personality fixed in your mind. Hope you think you know me. You are right about the name, Jet. In this forum, it's a hopeless aspiration and I can see it needs a lot of work. But yours? How sad is that? Having to put your academic achievement within your name? One might think you were courting admiration or recognition? Right again. I could never afford to maintain a female from some of the poorest countries in the world on my mere pittance of an income. That's why I make do with old gin-soaked slappers and you rich guys get the hot chicks. How cruel of you to unmask me. But things are improving I'll have you know. I'm real excited about my new joint venture. It's a UK-Moldovan business called flatoutfitters.com. Money to be made, I'll tell ya. I can see the age difference widening before my eyes. Just kidding. ;-)) People are free to spend their money how they see fit and you must have considered whether it was the right thing to do. It's your call. $500 is nothing to you but you know very well, its a fortune in Moldova. This isn't about me being a cheap bastard but being f***ng bored with instructions on how not to create dependency by those who are in actuality setting yourselves up for it. Nobody but those who are already happily married to FSU women are credible in dishing out advice on this or any other forum and even then it's usually subjective. Some of the practical stuff is useful i.e. what time the bus leaves and how to get a visa. The rest about knowing the mind of a female and how to behave toward them. This coming from failures, setting themselves up to make the same mistakes, is misleading and generally wrong. I am happy to be a cheap bastard. Helps me flush out those seeking a meal ticket. Early retirement is great. Get to travel the world 'exploiting' the third world, while most of you flog yourselves to death to fill your homes with consumables. So go ahead and pay $60+ per night (now who's being exploited?) staying in crappy, soulless hotels, barfing at the overly rich or pathetic food. Give me a homestay with home cooking any day. It's obvious that in a land where men are sexual predators women know how to reject unwanted attention. How else would your girlfriend behave? You think she would look back at someone checking her out, in front of you? C'mon. No woman is that stupid. I have mentioned the marvellous qualities of FSU women on this forum many times. So let's not be silly about my motives. You have found one that you are happy with. Nas is right. Perhaps you could benefit from a bit of arrogance and tell anyone who comments about your relationship to piss off! Like me. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2005 1:03:01 PM   QC: As per your direction: Piss off. Nas: I liked your comments. Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2005 1:09:04 PM   Way to go QC, flame them, flog the baastids, spare nobody! Throw a bone into the kennel and see who comes out on top ;-) Ever considered the top-dog position yourself? Bitching-wise you stand a good chance, especially when you choke on your breakfast. So, you have a problem with that age-diff eh? Tell us how old, sorry young, this woman in your van was, the one who took your money? ;-) Now there's a bone for you.... GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2005 2:07:12 PM   OK, Despite the unwarranted personal attacks and ill wishes, the essence of some of QC's comments, suspicions and negative expectations make absolutely perfect sense. QC, Last time I checked, neither one of my nuts was a crystal ball capable of predicting whether my relationship with Lena, yes MY Lena, will grow to be what we both want to make out of it. I have done enough due diligence evaluating all the pros and cons that I'm more than comfortable when I say that I'm willing to TAKE A CHANCE with her...a big chance. Some men are still willing to take chances, QC...nothing risked, nothing lost sort of attitude. ............................................... This is a woman who does not need moi to get a work permit, green card or a way to the magic kindom of mickey mouse and the eternal sunshine. Like many other companies in Russia, the one she works for is in dire straits and many of its competitors/biz partners are trying to recruit employees from it. Year to date she has received 5 firm offers from 2 US companies, 2 French and 1 Spanish to hire her full time as liason for their russian business interests. I have been in contact with the US reps to help her evaluate the offers and later negotiate a package if this is something she could do from California. She does not necessarily want to live in the US, nor does she have to, when she could easily live in France or Spain, 2/3 distance closer to her family and the life she'll be leaving behind. toad wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/5/2005 3:51:18 PM   QC you're on the verge of being margimartinalized:) though you've got quite a different attitude than God forbid I won't mention the name that may well keep your user name active for a while. Time will show how these relationships will end up. I hope everyone sticks around in their own way to report a few years from now about these relationships and marriages and then we'll know. Up until the verdict is in, none can make judgements about age and gifted money and all that. The point is these guys met their women and feel good with themselves and their relationships and this radiates to these ladies. Some people met them in the first trip and it was love at first sight, others were a lot more methodical and compiled profiles to pick the right one, others went there and met many women among which one or two clicked, others made multiple trips and didn't click but had guts and didn't give up. Hope things will go well for everyone. If you read the postings, everyone who have chosen their lady have the right intentions and they also seem to have their expectations on their footing. Enjoyed your writings QC, you have a gift to making your point, right or wrong don't know - for sure different, with an entertainment feature built-in. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Upside down thinking
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