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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Going to Odessa in 3 weeks. Need advice. Author Post Mark30 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/5/2005 3:19:10 PM   I am signed up to go on a tour with A Foeign Affair and I leave in three weeks. This is my first trip abroad and I was needing some serious advice. I have used three different sites to correpsond with the ladies. AFA, Fiance, and AnastasiaWeb. I have been writing for three to four months now and I have about 5 ladies that are serious about meeting me. Here are my questions: 1. What is everyone's opinion about meeting girls at socials? Are the girls paid by the agencies to show up? Are their professional daters/prostitutes there? 2. I am bringing in one girl from Mariupol. What is the best method to pay for her trip and insure that my money reaches her? 3. Am I completely insane for trying to "date" 5 girls in a 10 day period? Is this feasible? 4. All other advice would be welcome. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/5/2005 3:54:59 PM   Some guys praise socials others wouldn't use them. Though from the guys I've talked with they say the socials are pretty free of the prostitutes. Why in the hell are you bringing a girl from Mariupol to Odessa?If you are doing socials? Why don't you just go to Mariupol and visit her town? It's not that far away from Odessa. 5 girls in ten days? That's pushing it to me. Maybe two girls in ten days, everyone has their own agenda. Later Mike felicedate Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/5/2005 4:21:23 PM   Mark go for it! Until you are married the more the better! At least you'll have something to tell your grandchildren about when you are 80!:-) Really, why not? You know, when it clicks - it clicks, when it doesn't - it doesn't. Both times I was meeting m future wives everything was decided during the first 2 hours, it was enough to tell that the chemistry is present between two people, that those two people are intellectually, mentally and temperamentally compatible. I am a married man and I don't care for dating any longer but I still remember the crazy days when I managed to date 3 girls in 10 hours!:-) VNVnation Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/6/2005 6:03:03 AM   Are you corresponding with real girls from Anastasiaweb? See this thread for some other experiences with AW: http://forum.fiance.com/forum2.asp?Main=ShowTopic&topicid=1869 Or just search any other RW forum and you'll see numerous threads about how guys were scammed by them. But to answer your questions.... I went to one social last summer and would never go to another. I think the whole thing is degrading for both the men and women, and it is just not conducive to meeting someone that you think you might marry. I have become good friends (through writing on fiance.com) with a girl from Kherson. She and her friends went to one social and she had nothing nice to say about the experience. I don't want to say more about what her view of socials is, since you are about to go on your trip. But I will if you ask me to. I don't know about sending money to a girl in another city. Some local agencies will handle this sort of thing for clients. Or, like nas suggested, you could fly from Odessa to Donetsk, and then take a taxi to Mariupol. That might be better than "bringing her in." At least you'll get to see her home and see how she lives. Dating five girls in 10 days is not insane. I dated five girls in one day last year. In my experience, even after a few months of writing you'll both know if there is chemistry within a few minutes of meeting (or a few hours if you are slow like felice). Most of the time there isn't. Then you move on. I read somewhere that, on average, guys using MOB agencies have to meet 25 girls to find one that they want to have a relationship with. In my case it worked out to around 30-35 girls. Other advice? Meet the girls you're writing to but also consider using a local agency. If nothing works out with your girls, use the local agency and set up 3-4 meetings a day. Maybe you'll have better luck with the socials than I did, but I've not heard of one story of a guy who met a girl at a social and later married her. And do you really want to marry a girl that has so little self respect that she'll go to some party with 150 other girls and stand around hoping to talk to one of the 15 guys there? Sorry that I wasn't more enthusiastic about socials, but I really think they are one of the darkest aspects of the international dating scene. VNVnation Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/6/2005 6:03:53 AM   Wow, I didn't mean for my thread to come in bold type. How did that happen? Maxirat Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/6/2005 6:30:49 AM   Your bloody amazing !!!!! Well I think he would have got the point of that post !!!!!!! danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/6/2005 8:56:23 AM   Don't send any money, do a web search for taxi companies in Odessa, I used one previously, try using www.ukrainetour.com and there are plenty more. When in Odessa arrange, and pay personally for, the taxi particularly if you've been writing with ladies from anastasia. Whilst you might be able to aford to lose USD200, can you face the disappointment of twiddling your thumbs when she doesn't show up. Last time at Odessa Airport, in May and during flight connections, the taxi drivers harrassed and harrassed me, following me around etc. 'Net' doesn't seem to have the desired effect but they seem to understand 'Fock Off'! jmoluv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/6/2005 3:19:38 PM   VNV, You are so right about those socials. They are the most degrading and most disgusting way to meet someone nice. It is such a humiliating experience for both the men and the women who attend these very dark events on the other side of the world . I can feel your pain when you were in a room with 150 women and only 15 men . My heart also goes out to the women who were there also . My understanding is that the International Red Cross will set up after on of these events and will have a team of physcologists ready to assist men and women who have become traumatized by such a bottom of the barrel event. danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/6/2005 4:59:30 PM   VNV & jmoluv, I agree with you entirely, like going to a cattle market auction! One thing, over the years, that I have noted on the websites is that many guys, it seems, simply can't step out of their own front door without the assistance of an agency. They need an agency to meet the lady(s), they need an agency to organise their visa, they need an agency to organise their air travel, they need an agency to organise their accommodation, their transport etc. etc. etc. For focks sake, don't they realise that these agencies charge commission, to the highest commission payer, the deals they offer are not the best available, they are very expensive, and if you 'do it yourself' you will do it a damn site cheaper and, at the end of the day, perhaps not meet the 'professional daters'. Organise a visa: Go to the relevant embassy website Air Travel: Plenty of websites or go to Google and enter 'discount air tickets' Accommodation: Google again, enter city name followed by apartment, hotel, accommodation or go to www.besteastern.com Transport: Google yet again, enter city name followed by taxi This ain't exactly rocket science! castawaysailor Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/6/2005 5:20:31 PM   Martin, good point about arranged travel. I did combination of using an agency to help with the required invitation and transportation from airport to city (300 km) and hotel but did my own airfare, planning schedule, events, etc. N()R Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/6/2005 5:22:24 PM   I totally agree with you guys! You said it right Martin... Cattle market... I haven't been to a social, but that's the impression I have of it. But i guess it works for some, but I am sure it would not work for me... For me it is important to meet in the most natural way possible, and women lined up doesn't seem very natural to me... The woman I am seeing I met in a store, we were both customers, and I just started talking to her.. I could not find what I was looking for, and just asked her if she knew another shop selling these items, she did and followed me there since I didn't know my way around the city.. and of course... this was a friday.. I had to ask if she had plans for the evening... and the rest is pure magic!! That's natural to me... We fell in love, and this saturday she is moving here for a trial period to see if she likes it here at all. I am so excited about it! At least meeting like that I feel it is more true, not some arranged thing... We hit it off because we liked eachother, no other reason. She lives a great life in Tallinn, and really don't need my money or stuff like that. I totally agree with Martin on the google topic! It is really simple. Anyone can do this, and it is much more fun as well. I love to travel and arrange everything myself, then I can change my plans whenever I like, do whatever I like and things are happening by themselves, not because some guy like my money and know a lot of women ready for marriage with someone they don't know at all... ok, maybe I am a bit big-mouthed right now, but this is just my way of doing things. http://fuckinggoogleit.com/ nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/6/2005 6:02:03 PM   Uh, fellas, JMO was being sarcastic, he is a supporter of socials. Jeff I wondered when you were going to chime in!!LOL Martin I agree, You save a lot of money doing the leg work yourself in many areas. The one that really amazed me is sites like Orbitz,etc, that are deep discount brokers, well I went direct to the airlines for my flights, got them cheaper and the funny thing was the taxes were also less than orbitz and many of the other brokers were offering. N()R Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/6/2005 7:17:05 PM   uhh... I was also sarcastic.. lol... anyone believe that?? lol... Maxirat Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/6/2005 11:10:54 PM   Google - all the way - best thing since "sliced Bread" danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/7/2005 7:28:34 PM   Google is fine, just make sure that you don't book an apartment that is in Odessa in the States, bloody Yanks and all that ..... just joking guys! jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/8/2005 11:34:16 AM   Again, don't knoc Social unless you've tried them. And even then - remember that its always possible that something is wrong with YOU. As one of perhaps three members of this forum (jmoluv is another) who has tried a Social - it is anything BUT a cattle call. Because FSU women are ANYTHING but cattle. It is TRUE that the experience is likely to be more gratifying for the average male participant than the average female. That's why it the average male who PAYS the big bucks for his participation. But if you are not stupid about the whole thing - just going for the first woman who will sleep with you or something like that - and then forgetting all others - its a great way to mett wonderful FSU women! Is it a little more expensive than just going and hanging out in grcery stores hoping a woman will follow you out? Of course it is. But for those who have never traveled much - especially to the FSU it is great. ANd NOTHING like a singles bar. Seems to me that alot of people who knock them are using the old "sour grapes " idea (look up up the Aesop's fable). If Socials are a little out of your price range - they must be no good. Have that (or any opinion) if you would like to. But also know that I spend around $4,000 on a Social about two years ago and it was the best $4,000 I EVER SPENT! N()R Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/8/2005 12:35:05 PM   Jet, I guess that one was at least partly intended on me... And I probably deserved it. To be honest I agree with your point, "never talk about things you really don't know anything about..." I guess I fell into that trap.. But, I have to defend myself, I said : "It might work for some people..". I have never been to a social, and it has nothing to do with money. But I cannot help having the impression it is a line up, and that it must feel a bit un-natural... Thats the impression, but I am willing to listen to you guys who actually have experienced this kind of dating, and I am willing to respect your point of view. But the way I see it right now, I don't think it is for me, but I could be wrong... (ACtually now, nothing is for me.. I have to stick with the princess I already got..). So tell me, how does it actually work? danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/8/2005 12:56:55 PM   I prefer to meet a lady 'au natural' rather than pay a vast amount of money to attend an 'auction' and then, as sure as eggs are eggs, I'd make the same mistake, as I did a few times in my earlier days, whereas I'd pick the younger and prettier rather than the more sensible option. No, I have never attended a social, yes, I can afford to should I so wish to do so but it is unrealistic to generalise an entire sub-continent of females as 'anything but cattle'. Yes, there are many 'special' ladies in FSU but one can not compare, as an example, an Uzbek lady with an Estomian lady, they're from 2 different continents! I've met some special ladies and I've met some real 'tramps' and let us not forget what is, perhaps, the FSU's biggest export and I'm referring to prostitution. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/8/2005 7:54:24 PM   I wonder when Jet was going to pop up. Hey if you want to try a social fine, try one. It will work for some and not for others it boils down to the person. I'm a very extroverted person, but it wouldn't work for me, maybe because I'm overly extroverted. I would be the last guy standing in the corner with a drink in my hand. Maybe if things hadn't worked out for me I would have tried one, who knows, it's just not my style. What works for me, does not work for you and vice versa. Later Mike Deano Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/18/2005 1:40:59 AM   Well, I'm curious about the end of Mark30's adventure in Odessa. He never responded to his own thread to let us all know how it all turned out. I wonder whose advice he ended up following. I just got back from Odessa myself. I spent a month in Ukraine and ten days of it was in Odessa. This is my 8th trip to Ukraine. Frankly you guys were giving him some bad advice in my opinion. Mariupol is not close to Odessa! It is at least an 8 hour train or bus ride. There are no direct flights from Odessa to Mariupol. For A foreigner who does not speak Russian domestic travel can very difficult and dangerous. It is much much easier to have your lady from the smaller towns to come to you. She can take the train or bus for as little as $10 USD to almost anywhere in the Ukraine. She also would be very excited to come to a fun city such as Odessa or Kiev. Get her away from her friends, family and work. Get her away from all the distractions and she will be focused only on you. I usually send $100 Western Union to my girl whom I have invited to meet me. This shows her you’re serious about you intentions to meet her. Yes, it’s a risk. She may scam you and not show up. So, you lost $100. It's a days pay for any of us who can afford to go there. The only real loss would be your time waiting for a girl who doesn’t show up as Martin_Uk stated. But if you did your homework prior to this meeting then 99% she will show up. I'm at 100% myself. As for social. I've been on three AFA tours which include three socials each. AFA does there best to make it comfortable and fun for the ladies. But typically the girls go to one social and then never again. Simply put the big complaint is not enough men there. I met a lot of pretty and very nice ladies at the socials. None captured my heart but they were legit girls looking for a good man. 10% will be scammers or working girls. AFA is pretty good at keeping there socials clean. Socials can work for some men. And the tours provide a good support group for the newbie. You then can create your own support network of interpreters for future trips. For first timers I recommend the tours. By the way I'm a vet of this forum. 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