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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > What is wrong with American Women? Author Post odilon Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/17/2003 12:52:34 AM   I pose this as a question, but I think I know. One distinctive comment came from an acquiatence who had spent two years traveling in India-China. He said, "There is something wrong with American women.." I never got married too young because I was irresponsible, and knew it. Now,at thirty six, some grey hairs and failed business ventures, I find it so difficult to meet American women. And many of the relationships, not all, have some kind of self-esteem/who's in charge dynamic that I couldn't deal with. Feminism is not spoken in the lingo anymore...I never investigated what it really was all about, but does feminism bear some of the disruption in our sexual behaiver? Maybe pornography? I have been traveling for two years, and now I am ready to settle down. It is like I am an immigrant. Looking for a bride from over seas looks rewarding in terms of enlarging my own cultural understanding, making new contacts, engaging in advanture, and hopefully, finding someone who does not automatically suspect I am a loser because I have never been married and I have a few grey hairs... Maybe were spoiled? wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/17/2003 9:17:50 AM   The difference between American woman and Russian woman is that the second can love unconditionally while the first one rarely does. The following letter I received from my former fiance after I sent her a note to advise her of my decision to break up with her and pursue a relationship with another woman: "NAME, NAME I did not believed till last moment. I can understand that it was hard to be so long apart. It is understandable. You know I found out very quickly that you like to do something unexpected, to do sharp turns, changes. I have told you, I can understand many things. But it brings pain. I always liked this trait of your character, because I believed that what we have is unchangeable and it would be so wonderful to make changes with you, to change something around, but to keep one place in the world inviolably our family, our love. It is na?ve, I know I belonged to you and wanted to be yours all my life, just yours. It was crazy year, I have changed so much, you changed me, and you have showed me that I can love. I did not expect that I could love someone, like I love you. I am sorry that I did not showed you that enough to make you understand that or may be I showed it to much and you thought that it is impossible? You have hurted me, I needed you so much, but you have made another choice. You was in Ukraine, you was so close It is hard to believe and now I am not sure that I understand what I am writing. After a few weeks I guess I shall realized that, but now I just writing you what I feel and think. I love you, I will try you live without you, without waiting for your calls and letters and our meetings, without your voice, I will try to forget words: -----. I will try to forget your lips and kisses, your touch. I will try to forget your smile and your face when we were walking together like a couple. I will try, but I think it is impossible. You know I think it is impossible to love different men in the same way. I would never love someone like I love you now, even now I never told you, but after our first meting in Kiev every evening before I go to bed I was beg God to take of you, because I could not imagine what can happened if something will happened with you. I was never religious, but you were so far and the only one thing that I could do is to ask God to watch you, to take care of you. You know what was my present it was a cup, yes, just a stupid cup, but I put there our picture. One of my favorite and then I have found two beautiful poems, they were telling exactly what I feel. I could not make choice for long which one I should put on your present. This what I decided: Our love is like a diamond Whose brilliance will not fade; Time will never take its toll, For it is Heaven-made. Happy Birthday, NAME! I chose that poem, because the second one was too sad, but the day of your Birth was a happiness for me: I cannot live without your love My life would not be the same; For I would be incomplete, Like a candle without a flame. Like that candles, which we have bought in ------, they still keeps memory of us. I shall light a one candle every night. There are six candles there. It would be long nights, full of good memories and big pain. I want to be with you forgive me this wish. You always will be my man, I am sorry, I cannot change it. Yulia" odilon Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/17/2003 1:48:26 PM   I have had relationships with American women which had that romantic sentiment; either coming from me or coming from her. Romantic as it may be, the reality that we have a choice in who we are attracted to is true in any culture or society; the paramour/lady in waiting chivalric image, the romantic, seems (in my limited exposure to other cultures) to be universal. Certainly, american women can love unconditionally, its just that I have neither taken advantage of the ones that have sent me similar letters, or found those few women I have loved unconditionally to share or reciprocate that unconditionality for me. Roll of the dice? No, and here's the caveat: the women who expressed such sentiment toward me have always been from another culture or race. No germanic, anglo, irish...no white American girl has ever expressed any unconditional love for me. The other girls who did, the girls from other cultures, were well off; had good careers or no financial worries. The issue fascinates me, because its so widespread and true, but no one is talking about it. Is it perhaps white-american female arrogance? wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/17/2003 9:38:14 PM   American women white or colored are like American men. They are the best and they know it. They settle for no less than the best they can get. I am also 36 and find it increasingly difficult to dig the 18-21 demographic in the states. However, problem solved, there is ruski to fill the gap. Young RUWs dig American dudes in the 30-45 demographic because they associate age with money and because of Hollywood hyper hupla. But, make no mistake American chicks also dig American dudes, they're just spoiled like we dudes are. Young American chicks want young, they are not selling themselves for the perception of money. That's why Russia exists for dudes like me and the people I know to go there to get laid and drunk and rule. CodeRed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/17/2003 10:09:13 PM   wtrav0, You are so wrong and so far from the truth its pathetic. wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/17/2003 10:12:47 PM   If I sound pathetic to you codered, then I am in the right path, thank you. CodeRed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/17/2003 11:25:37 PM   You welcome!! We can agree to disagree. odilon Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/18/2003 12:00:15 AM   I dont put so many things in terms of winners or losers; one picks the challange. If you pick easy challanges, like 'just belonging', really by accident to a group of winners, that easy. Its a challange to find a women, but people dont get that much value out of life 'demanding the best', because we all possess enough imagination to see there is something better. One can get stuck in that hunt. It is certainly an unfortuneate tendency with men and women, but in different respects. I look at beautiful women when I am with my women. I cant help it! I thinks its rude...but I forgive myself that vice! Why do you have a problem with the American 18-21 crowd? CodeRed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/18/2003 12:43:38 AM   I’m no expert. But talking to many men and seeing the responses here from many men this is what I see. Women in this country (USA) need to be re-educated more than ever! They need to take a look in the mirror and say, "There's nothing wrong with a man being a man." Only problem is, who's going to tell them this, Oprah, Rosie O’Donnell, Dr Laura, Dr Phil or maybe Ann Coulter? Older American woman in there dating range 25-45 are FAT, UGLY or very jaded about men and life! Now that is not 100% true but for the most part that is the selection. Good American woman are hard to find. American and European women are pretty much spoiled to death. This is just my observation. Good luck!! Jerome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/18/2003 9:24:40 AM   Yah Codered...the girl I was with yesterday evening...was telling what I should, and should'nt be doing with my life, and I finally just said..."Sit Down Oprah!" vtranum Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/18/2003 6:41:40 PM   T out, wake up and smell the roses, you can not generalize anything without knowing where it all started. Then why are men seeking out to find a wife from another country? 1. to many failures with an american woman, due to the way they were brought up 2 Control, (Major isssue) cause the american woman won't tolerate the control anymore and believe in the fredom of being her own person. Or cause the woman is tired of a culture where she has married a man who were suppose to take care of her but due to the failing rate of men who has gotten a wrong sight in how to stand by his family, and the fight between govement and religion has made them into helpless.......... 3. What and where are your rights as Americans? gone down the tube when the govement took over behind you back and running your life like perls on a string. I believe it all starts one place.... and one place only.... It is in your heart. Why what and where, how come that you as a nation of men can not stand up and say Some smells and it is not my feet, we need to change this picture and make it right. CodeRed, most ppl who listen to shows like that is people without a future. odilon Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/19/2003 12:06:02 AM   Oh, yeah, the problem is with me (my abililty to care enough). I forgot. Or, do you mean the patriachy? If the patriarchy, I should stop republican, right? At least I wont feel guilty. odilon Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/19/2003 12:58:10 AM   Okay, I understand now; your post is a bit garbled, but the flaw is that you think 'the tube' is television and the media. I don't see any fight between government and religion. Ever, in my entire life! Thats way under my radar! Whose history have you been living? Unless you mean abortion... I never try to think of myself as a "Nation of Men", but a woman, I believe, is qualified to see me that way. Its just that there doesn't seem to be any awe, but instead, always derision. I never had a family of my own, so I haven't qualified as a failure there, neither do I intend to. No one has had a divorce in my family, but I have experienced a lot of girls from divorce; hurt units! The MAJOR ISSUE, in regard to control, I disagree with on the belief that everyone wants a mom and dad in their life. But to look at 'issues', what is the most important issue, the one that is more important than any other? And lastly, my failures were not based on the way I was brought up, its based on the way I behave...plus some circumstances beyond my control. Really, I like the idea of a woman from another culture for proactive reasons. Plus, I can engage in exchanging email for awhile, something that has been impossible, for three years, with online dating services in the US. Does that help? I mean, if you could elaborate...I might have a better answer to my question of what is wrong with American Women... The Forum on what is wrong with American Men should be started on another string, right? Olga Smirnova Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/19/2003 2:10:41 PM   Hi! American man. I think that the best way for American men is to find an American woman. Even the prettiest and the youngest Russian girl will be a rather stranger for her husband. I think that the only advantage in the list of Russian women in this dating agency is that the most of them are with high moral standards and are looking for marriage not for dating. I think that American women that will suit you will not apply via Internet. Internet is the easiest way but you have to find American women through common friends or in work. It is rather narrow list. On the other hand a list of Russian brides is enormous. I think you feel like a king choosing a girl. CodeRed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/19/2003 5:49:18 PM   The list of American woman on Kiss.com is just as large. But just look at them. They are not as attractive as the Russian woman. American woman are just as accessable as Russian woman. Internet, Bars, Malls. However, they are normaly leftovers that got fat, ugly or very jaded. Some are high maintance with alot of baggage. "just my perception" But I find Russian woman very intellegent, Family minded, and practical. They dont let Oprah, Rosie O’Donnell, Dr Laura or Dr Phil tell them how to be a woman and they are not intrested in telling a man how to be a man all his life. They expect a man to be a man on his own. Had a few beers when I wrote this so excuse the mistakes. Good Luck to All!! ms olga codered Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/19/2003 5:52:50 PM   za russhkikh zhenschbin! ms olga codered Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/19/2003 5:58:02 PM   Etim malen'kim bokalom, no s bol'shim chuvstvom ya khochu vypit' za prisutstvuyuschikh tut dam! FrankChicago Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/20/2003 2:36:55 AM   Maybe we American men have gneralized and romanticized about the Russian women's disposition, but I'm going to lean on the experience of a good friend who has successfully married a woman from Central Europe. They have been married for three years and still acting as if they've been married for three months. She is about 25 and he is in his late 40's. He has some ways about him that American women would try to "fix", but she is tolerant and loves him the way he is. In return, he adores her and loves her with all. Think about it guys, of all the American women you've had serious relations to, didn't they just want to fix you, make you a better communicator, I shouldn't have to tell you - you should already know, etc.. Wtrav02 made a statement that "American women are the best and they know it". I would like to qualify that with - The best at what? Their careers? Their hair, body, education? How about being down to earth and understanding? Anyone that has a superiority complex is pretty much going to be demanding with unreal expectations. Women I know that are chronic divorcers realize after number two or three that they're driving men away. When was the last time you went out with an American gollege aged girl? Sure, she would might be nice to come home to in bed, but not much as far as family matter for a man in his 30's. Let's look at the Eastern European women who marry young. I think because they plan to do so, their gears are turning in that direction and have much more mature outlook on life. I like that as opposed to the American ones looking forward to spring break and wet t-shirt contests. Which is nice for what it is, but has as much relationship nourishment or sustenance as cotton candy. I believe Eastern European are the best at being loving wives, mother of children and a peaceful life partner. They may not necessarily know that, which I think makes them even more desirable. In this department, generally speaking, they've got American women beat hands down. Did I mention that they are also of the most beautiful women in the world without having to have a wet t-shirt? Guys, if we knew just how wonderful these women were, we would have had much-much shorter cold war! :) sgp1963_at_hotmail_com Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/27/2003 2:53:03 PM   American women: selfish, self centered, materialistic. Their sense of values and morals have been corrupted by hollywood, advertiseing agencys and the media since the early 1950's. Doesnt it strike anyone as odd, that there are more women in prison in the USA then any other country? I have pretty much wrote them off in so far as being marriage material. Yes there are the rare exceptions - anyone know where they are hiding? Play their games, get some sex and move onto the next one. Let the uneducated fools (as we all have been at one time) have them. They should be introduced as "This is Jane, my future ex-wife." Bitter?.... YES!!. Discouraged, NO! There are more then enough REAL women in the former soviet block countries that are unappreciated by the males of their culture. Lets just hope we dont do an exchange program with them. odilon Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/29/2003 11:05:20 AM   My first impulse to fiance.com was from my frustration with American women. However, my perception is that the good women, in my age bracket, were married already. Perhaps they divorced with one or two children. I may have to marry a women with a kid in order to have a family. Its not a matter of bitterness so much as a circumstance; my circumstances now open a window of opportunity to look for a woman online, anywhere. I used to try to find women online in the states, but I suspect its just a way to get a monthly payment from me. Most of the posts are false. Some are responded to by a robot. Seems like that too from the RW letters; there is something 'stock' or template about them. Could be the language... At any rate, it is enjoyable to look forward to some attention. I am just beginning this, and it is easier to talk to a women online, from Russia, than a women in the United States. Why? Russian brides > Main Forum > What is wrong with American Women?
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