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Jim63

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	Send: 3/24/2007 12:57:54 PM

I am planning a trip to Russia and-or Ukraine for May-June. I have not corresponded with any girl. It will be just `adventure'. I was wondering if there is anyone out there that wants to join me. I am looking for a serious relationship not just fun.

danny3777

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	Send: 3/24/2007 1:14:14 PM

$920 please Jim, I'll give you a serious relationship :)

jetmba.

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	Send: 3/24/2007 1:24:12 PM

For $460 I can be twice as serious. I won't even smile as I am collecting the cash.

jetmba.

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	Send: 3/24/2007 1:30:50 PM

All smart ass comments aside (I already did that anyway it would be redundant) while its great to have a wingman - its just as hard to get to know another guy you really want to travel with as it is to meet a lady. We are all types here and come from all walks of life. And while there are som on this board I would love to meet and travel with - others not-so-much. My advice to you is to either attend a Romance Social or at least scedule your visit to somewhere where a Romance Social is occuring. The first time I traveled to the FSU I would have loved to have traveled with a friend and I actively looked for someone among my friends, who might be interested in traveling with me. I had such a great time, and told everyone about it - that by the time I decided to travel again I had four or five guys who wanted to travel with me. But by that time I prefered to travel alone - rather than to spend my time showing someone else the ropes.

kingarthur

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	Send: 3/24/2007 1:31:22 PM

Jim, I am as serious as jetmba, it'll be $460, and I LOVE YOU!

beemer18

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	Send: 3/24/2007 2:07:46 PM

Read the post carefully....this is an 'adventure'. How is it possible to look for serious relationships when you are in an 'adventure'? Jim, an adventure is to have fun. Hope you are in it for the long haul.

jetmba.

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	Send: 3/24/2007 2:36:52 PM

Beemer: I must admit that I often refered to my first trip as an "adventure" as well BEFORE I went. Why? Because I had no idea just how things would pan out. I wondered if the girls were legitimate and whether or not they would really consider a foreign guy. Or if it was just so much hoopla. I envisoned a worst-possible-case scenerio as me looking for whatever might pass for tourist attractions on my own. Fortunately things turned out much better than that.

beemer18

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	Send: 3/24/2007 2:52:22 PM

Jet, I agree that first trip is an adventure. But hopefully it is a planned trip and when things go wrong you have something to do. My plan for girls got totally screwed up so time for improvision. Jim's adventure in a country where the language is different can become troublesome if you don't have someone there to help, hopefully someone you don't have to shell out bucks for!

Jim63

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	Send: 3/24/2007 4:14:28 PM

I do not know if it is better to travel alone or not. Of course it very much depends on your companion(s). I was just checking... I have been in Ukraine already once. I just met girls through various agencies. I think that it is true that the girls there are very interested in Western men. I also believe though that you have a better chance with girls you meet in casual settings, bars, coffee shops etc. And that is easier if you are not alone. jetmba, at the Romance social you meet the same type of girls that you meet through agencies. So I don't see the difference. If you are alone in a foreign country, you will end up asking an agency for assistance. And you get back in the same money sucking (for nothing) vicious cycle.

jetmba.

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	Send: 3/24/2007 5:18:43 PM

I disagree that at a Romance Social you meet the same type of girl as you would through agencies. While it might be true that they are REGISTERED with agencies, many may not be active. The reason being that many women (many people) have bette things to do with their time than to write endless letters. I am quite literate (though you may not be able to tell that sometimes from my grammar or spelling here :))) having written numerous papers professionally and in college and graduate school. But I absolutely HATE writing letters - I can only believe that there are women who are the same way. I often make cracks in this forum about not neccessarily looking for an Emily Dickenson. And its true. Writing is a very specific talent. And NOT neccessarily an important component in a successful relationship. I write from the comfort of my livingroon. Most FSU woemn have to write from a dark and crowded internet cafe. A lot of great women I have met avoid internet cafes at all cost. Woman who are willing to dress up and hope for a nice face to face meeting with a man, are not neccessarily the same women who will write appealing letters to you. I only consider women who can speak English. And once you meet one like that at a Romance Social, you no longer ned the assistance of agency. The enitre potential relationship is now a matter between you and her.

kingarthur

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	Send: 3/24/2007 5:45:19 PM

Jim, for sure you may have chances with girls you meet in casual settings. Before starting this specific "game" I was to Ukraine, Latvia, Estonia, Czech Rep., Slovakia. I have some experience of casual settings (you forgot night clubs), and the chances you have there. According to my experience, these chances have much to do with having some temporary fun, and little to do with finding a woman who's willing to leave her country and spend her life with you.

jetmba.

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	Send: 3/24/2007 6:03:41 PM

kinarthur: I think you misunderstood me. I refer specifically to Romance Socials not casual meetings. I tried the casual meeting route myself in Latvia. I wne without knowing a sould in the entire country and without having any definite prospects. It took four days to find and acceptable date (someone who I really wanted to go out with) and a week to find someone I could spend a lot of time with. Not a very useful way to use one's time and a method I would not try again. A Romance Social is enirely different.

jetmba.

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	Send: 3/24/2007 6:06:15 PM

Let me try that whole paragraph WITHOUT spelling errors and see if it makes more sense. I tried the casual meeting route myself in Latvia. I went without knowing a soul in the entire country and without having any definite prospects. It took four days to find an acceptable date (someone who I really wanted to go out with) and a week to find someone I could spend a lot of time with. It was not a very useful way to use one's time and a method I would not try again. Better?

kingarthur

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	Send: 3/24/2007 6:06:28 PM

jetmba, I did not misunderstand you. My comment was addressed to Jim63.

jetmba.

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	Send: 3/24/2007 6:19:49 PM

kingarthur - I will tell you a little secret, but lets just keep it between us, okay? Don't tell anone else in the forum. Promise? Okay. My actual name is Jim. I forget from time to time that here I am Jet. That is why when I see a post addressed to Jim I sometimes respond. Now don't tell anybody else. Its just our secret. Shhhhh....

kingarthur

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	Send: 3/24/2007 6:25:31 PM

Promised :-)

beemer18

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	Send: 3/24/2007 6:40:23 PM

I heard that!!!!! Jim, Jimbo, jimmy jack, jimmy crack corn and i don't care.....````````` Jet, About those socials, I wondered about the type of girl going to them. The hottest ones are the hired help, the in between ones are maybees, and the rest are fill ins. How can a girl go to these socials with the chance to sit there waste away or do the guys feel sorry and go talk to her. I would guess there are more girls than guys, right! Of course they are made for the guys enjoyment. I do not know what actually goes on, Am I way off base? Enlighten me! What was that about writing important papers and MBA and stuff like that??????? :)))

jetmba.

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	Send: 3/24/2007 7:24:10 PM

beemer: Who told you!?!?!? kingarthur PROMISED he wouldn't. And HE'S the only person I told so it MUST have been him!!Just goes to show that you can't really trust anyone. Some Social are better than others I understand. Obviously its best for the guy to girl ratio to be as favorable toward GUYS as possible. When I attended in Odessa there were 15 guy each night, maximum and easily 200 girls. Now there were never supposed to be any repeats (same women different nights) nut in truth there were. But then again the company i wroked with is no longer in business - so I don't know what its like anymore (bet THAT was helpful, huh?). OF COURSE - its better for the guys than the girls. Frankly the guys pay a lot of money to be there and the girls just show up - supposedly on the night that they are INVITED by whatever agency they are registerd with. Its not politically correct but, hell yes, the guys have an advantage. And there are some beuatiful girls who nobody talks to. I was rebuffed by exactly ONE girl at the Socials. She was 19 and I was 46 and she said I was too old for her (and I of course I was!). There ARE professional girls there to be sure. But you can pick them out. They shouldn't need to hold your hand on that and guide you around. There was even one girl who was a fashion designer and she asked me if I knew anyone in the clothes business (she was trying for a business contact). I went on to someone else rather quickly. Your generalization "The hottest ones are the hired help, the in between ones are maybees, and the rest are fill ins. " is pretty baseless. There are some VERY HOT genuine and serious FSU women. They don't need to bring in hired help when you have a pool like that. And what would be the point anyway? They already have your money. Its not like you can survey the women, and make the decision to pull out. They don't need to parade anyone in to impress you. I HAVE heard of Romance Social where the number of girls is only double the number of guys. That's probably not as nice. The best way to avoid that is to go to somewhere that has been doing Socials for a while. Odessa might be a good place. Or it may be Socialed out. I don't know. Regarding your last question. For all the details, you'll just have to hope that someday I write an autobiography. I haven't started yet.

jetmba.

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	Send: 3/24/2007 7:43:27 PM

Have you ever noticed how those pesky Europeans (the English as well as the citizens of the country called Europe :)) ) get quiet this time of day? Oh sure, THEY would tell you that, being around 8 hours ahead of us (refering to us USA-ians) they are asleep and that there its the middle of the night - but it seems that that is a very unlikely story. I think that they are just lazy.

beemer18

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	Send: 3/24/2007 7:45:45 PM

Jet, I got info from guys that went to socials that some women are hired to enhance social. i have no idea how accurate that is. I wondered what the mindset of girls going to such an event is. Do they go to many of them....same ole boring time or do they go to have a good time and how many are serious. These socials remind me of a meat market, checking out the 'stock', or a speed dating event. Time is of the essence to try to meet a genuine girl. Is there not some pressure? My question had to do with your grammer in posts!!!!

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