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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Ukraine by car - easy Author Post beanstobe Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/28/2007 9:07:24 PM   I have just returned from a snap visit to Ukraine, via Moldova, by car and can confirm the following: 1. No visa for UK citizens is needed to enter Moldova 2. The customs at the EU border will check your car to see whether it was registered stolen. Your car will be checked several times (either direction) to check the chasis no. and maybe the engine (obviously you must possess a Green card for the car). 3. Someone at all the border posts speaks either English, French or German. If you go through Romanian border expect them to be laid back and polite - but knowledgeable. Ukraine customs are very exact, efficient, informal and polite. They will ask you questions about you, where you go, what you do in life, about your country etc - so reply politely in return 4. If you hold a new UK passport (like I) expect it to be scrutinised minutely, or used for custom offcials to explain to their juniors the many new security features. 5. You pay 8 RON (3 usd) for disinfection and ecological tax (at 2 booths) at Moldova border post. You may have to wait to pass through the customs as the Moldovans tend to be not well organised. 6. Roads in Ukraine are safe, excellently well designed and much quieter than in the EU - but a needing a little more maintenance, so preferably drive with a car that has a good suspension (not a 4x4, but a Mercedes ec). Keep to the speed limit (30mph)when you hit the sign board, do what you want on the vast open stretches as these roads were designed well above EU standards at the time (30+ years ago) and people all drive fast, but well. I did Bucharest - Nikolaev (800kms, 500 miles) in 12 hours, and did in 9.5 hours return. Most of the return I travelled at 95 to 110 miles per hours (150-180 kms per hour). No hassles, never stopped by police etc. I have a UK vehicle so everyone looked at me, other than that I can say it is a much easier drive than Budapest-Bucharest danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/16/2007 6:25:40 PM   beanstobe, I am in the process of setting up a company and office in Ukraine, much of the office equipment I have already and rather than throw it away I would rather drive it to Ukraine. Also, additional stuff, monitors, PC's, printers etc. would be cheaper to buy on the internet here and take them with me along with the other stuff. Question is, if I arrive at the Ukraine border with a small to medium sized van full of equipment (I could make all of it look like already used equipment), and at such a time I would be the registered director of a Ukrainian company, would they give me the 'third degree' and impose lots of import taxes (electricals) and, or, confiscate the equipment? beanstobe Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/17/2007 12:59:51 PM   Martin, For sure they will look into the back of the van and open a few boxes etc. I don't really see the problem of importing used equipment so long as the reason is clear - and they wouldn't confiscate the material as Ukraine border posts are being assisted by UN/EU observers and Ukraine deals harshly with public officials accussed of theft by foreigners. I don't see the point - unless you are importing laptops (which are made outside Ukraine). New(ish) Computers and printers in Ukraine stores are cheaper than in the UK because they are made from a vast array of Chinese imported pieces that are assembled in the stores in Ukraine. Just speak to the guys in the stores, tell them what you want and they will make up the boards for you, give you a bill with VAT which you can recuperate very easily. Incidentally, Have you got a VAT no.? The computers don't have the EC Compliance stamp but work just as efficiently. So why go through all the hassle to risk it when it is dead easy to get the VAT refund in Ukraine through the company that you form? On top of that you have the transport cost etc. danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/17/2007 4:04:32 PM   beanstobe, Thanks for the info, my main concern would be them charging, indeed scamming, their high import taxes for electrical goods at the border however I have a meeting in Ukraine coming up thus this will be one of my points of discussion there. You say that things are cheaper in Ukraine but are they really? Internet shopping has not reached Ukraine yet and for my current business a lot of my shopping is done with online stores such as Amazon because they're a damn sight cheaper than going to e recognised PC store such as pcworld.co.uk. I haven't even got a Ukrainian company yet never mind a VAT number but that may come in due course, I am in communications with a professional Ukraine accounts company regarding the setting up of the business thus such things will be discussed in due course. Martin beanstobe Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/18/2007 2:28:34 PM   Wishing you best of luck with getting the VAT number Martin. As u are probably right, buying online is probably cheaper than buying in a Ukranian store. If it were something you can't easily get in Ukraine I can understand, but computer equipment? It has to be sme load of equipment to make the risk worthwhile danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/18/2007 6:40:19 PM   Well thats the point beanstobe, if it is a 'legal' risk then it is one that I do not want to, and will not, take but I'll get this from the horses mouth in due course, I just wanted advice from someone that has actually driven across the border because Ukraine has varying levels of such control, a.k.a. corruption. I can't recall the last time customs questioned me or asked to look inside my bag at Borispol but at Dnepropetrovsk, try to take 2 aerosols of 'imflammable' toiletries and the police will 'ave you :) beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/18/2007 10:02:28 PM   Martin, Can I suggest something. You will need some time and patience. Try first load with cheap computer equipment. If all goes well then second time bring the good stuff. danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/18/2007 10:10:24 PM   beemer, I don't have that much to take :) Literally I have a fully functional office in my home here in UK and it would be so simple to load it all up and ship it to Ukraine thus arriving in Ukraine with a fully functioning office rather than arriving there without even so much as the office kettle and having to go out and buy everything. beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/18/2007 11:18:29 PM   Well Martin, Then just send off 1 piece of something not real important and see what happens if you have to paid enormous taxes. Have to find this out so you can make an imformed decision which way to go. beanstobe Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/19/2007 12:21:21 PM   A functional office can be put packed in the back of some normal car amongst a bunch of clothes and personal items. Why would anyone bother about one or two computers, monitors a printer etc. Just take out the hard drive for safety. danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/19/2007 5:24:09 PM   A bl00dy great desk, a fridge, chests of drawers, files and folders, chairs, electrical gang relays, a PC trolley, boxes and boxes and so on. I would be able to conceal them :) boredfukka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/22/2007 7:10:11 AM   hey beanstobe Looks like you had fun driving from Buc to Nik. Did you think you were on the german Autobahn then :)Hope you didnt go in a Porsche Boxster, in gleaming yellow did you? No wonder they looked at you if you did....Hey did you get the eye from any ladies on the road :))) I did not think you could get to the Ukraine from northern Moldova, because they are independent to southern Moldova. Or maybe, you don't have to travel through transmoldovia or whatever it's called, do you? Did you go through Lasi in northern romania? Is it a dual carriageway/motorway most of the way through from buc to Nik then? I went through from Poland to Lvov with some guys once in a car but they did not check much. On the way back, I walked through the border and the Polish customs let me off for having two boxes of fags instead of just the one allowable....Lucky, coz I was going to bring about 20 boxes through and flog them in the pub for 25 smackaroonees each. What I thought was funny was when people come into poland from the ukraine, there are people waiting to trade goods and save just a few quid buying it on the black market. Anyway, thanks for the interesting post. linda Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/20/2008 1:11:27 PM   HI CAN ANYONE TELL ME IF BUYING LAPTOPS IN UKRAINE ARE WORTH? ARE THEY ORIGINALS? IS GOOD QUALITY? I FOUND THIS COMPANY THAT OFFERS ELECTRONICS THE COMPANIE SEEMS SERIUS AND BIG, THEY EVEN OFFER ME MONEY BACK WARRANTY IF ANY OF THE LAPTOPS DONT WORK, SELLER MUST BUY MORE THAN 1,000 AND THEY HAVE 1 YEAR WARRANTY IF SOMETHING WORNG WITH THEM THEY RETURN MONEY, THE PRICE PER UNIT IS VERY CHEAP IS ESPECIALLY FOR THE MAC PRO LAPTOPS ESPECIALLY MODEL 610, CAN ANYONE TELL ME IF THIS IS TRUE, SHOULD I TRUST THIS COMPANIE? NEED HELP. Kirkland Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/20/2008 2:47:04 PM   Martin, I'd be interested in knowing what kind of business you intend starting in Ukraine? If you don’t want to explain I’ll understand…maybe pm me if you want. Not having looked around for any such opportunities any time I was there, it never really occurred to me what would make a decent living for the travelling euro-entrepreneur. Other than the obvious ones like providing water and electricity supply that is reliable….these things needing massive investment….and of course tourism. But I suppose you will know more than most and come to think of it…a country slowly but surely pulling itself up by the bootlaces is more often than not a Klondike if you keep your wits about you. If you have a successful biz in UK then I’m sure you’ll do well. Good luck. From my own experience; it’s the thought of having a runaway success that cools my engines a while, having had a miserable experience in my own country with the local mafioso determined to have a little of the pie. The last time I walked the boulevards in a town in Ukraine we happened by the remains of a restaurant whose rival had “won” the rights to serve the tourist trade. Anyway, keeping a low profile is the order of the day until such times as a little more stability is established. My little Moldovian pal is determined to get me over there having learned that I am a private developer (construction projects) as she reckons I could find plenty of work there. Certainly given a fair amount of thought to this but came up with the same problems….main one being: who is going to buy? But Ukraine..that’s a country probably a few decades ahead of Moldova…..Mmmm. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/20/2008 7:08:18 PM   Kirkland, I don't intend to actually start a 'Ukraine' business. I have started my own business last year, it is an international business, that can be administered from anywhere but bearing in mind that much of the business involves trading within the EU then there are certain issues whereas it should ideally be administered from outside of the EU. Hence, because of my personal situation, I cannot think of anywhere better than Ukraine, I would get to see the in-laws and staff wages and office accommodation are extremely cheap. Sushi_Boy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/8/2008 3:12:58 AM   Mr Beanpole Would you be kind enough to explain what a green card is for a car and go into detail about what legalities and procedures have to be done to tempory import a vehicle into Ukraine. I heard a rumour that there was two types one for 3 months and another for 12. Many thanks. SB beanstobe Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/22/2008 10:33:27 PM   Sushi, for a start I am Beanstobe, not pole - although some female friends do refer that to me as well. There is no such thing as Temporary importation of vehicles. If you import a vehicle it is a Permanent affair - a bit like marriage is supposed to be! But you can drive a foreign vehicles for a limited period of time in most countries of the world as long as you have the correct insurance. Generally this time is either ONE month or THREE months (90 days) and you can often buy these AFTER border crossings. But in some countries, like Serbia, you can't cross the border post until you present a valid insurance paper, often termed Greed Card (cause it is on Green paper !) - which means you have to buy it from your car insurer where your car is registered. I have a 12 months green card from my insurer - which has been renewed. It is expensive because it covers the European Continent to the border of Russian Fed and all countries that border meditterean (I couldn't get another type). Exceptions areas are Palestine territories and Kosovo - probably this latter may have changed. Advantages for this price are that you have full cover insurance wherever you cover. If you never enter your vehicle in the country of origin (number plate) then you also save on tax registr. but you need to be careful as you may be asked to prove where you live if you are stopped by police in any country. If you are the owner of vehicle then no prblm - but if not then be prepared, for example: I went to a Tai Chi workshop in Lvov in November and the Ukranian custom people informed me that I had changed the windscreen (where the chasis no. is hidden) and asked for proof of receipt of this - which I had - luckily! You will find that it is much harder to bring a foreign vehicle into the Ukraine, Moldova etc than to bring it back in the EU border zone - it is sad to say but the custom people outside the EU are better educated, more up to date in legislation, and more aware of car trafficking than EU custom officers. But in some countries, like Moldova, you will have to pay environmental tax, and at least one other tax, before being allowed to enter. Be warned: if you do not have the right currency (Moldovan Lei in this case) the chances are that you will pay 1 of whatever currency you have to the Lei - in other words a rip off. If you don't it is probably because the UN anti trafficking police are nearby. So avoid entry into Moldova if you can. No problem in Ukraine - customs and police are(in general)well mannered, not corrupt, well informed and to the point of the Law. Inland and during certain tourist seasons though you may have prbls with bribes etc - as you would expect. khodie Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/23/2008 7:16:12 PM   Does anybody know how long you can keep your foreign car in Ukraine? I've been told that you can not exceed two months. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/23/2008 9:34:58 PM   khodie, Suggest you ask your local Ukrainian embassy/consulate, hearing it from anywhere else may be just 'hearsay'. You don't need to be afraid of the embassy/consulate, they are quite friendly! beanstobe Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/25/2008 7:17:20 AM   Not Hearsay Martin - AXA International car insurance available from theAA in the UK: UK insurance 900 GBP, International ONE YEAR valid to Russian Federation: 1500 GBP. Ask them for a quote Martin - its a free 0800 no! Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Ukraine by car - easy
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