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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > just been to nikolaev and odessa Author Post AP Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/2/2007 2:04:58 PM   i have just got back from a 5 day trip to nikolaev and odessa and thought i'd jot down some of my experiences. toput some context to my story, i'm 27 and i live in england. i didn't go to ukraine to find a wife nor was i going as a sex-tourist. i did however have a real curiosity for seeing myself what the place was like and i was enticed by the many beautiful women on this website. i went to nikolaev for two nights initially to meet the first girl i'd 'lined-up' and then to odessa for 3 nights. flying from england involved two flights for me, changing in warsaw. the flights themselves were fine although i was lucky to make the first one having gotten ludicrously drunk in london the night before. i was met at the airport by a pungent but relatively pleasant nikolai and he drove me to nikolaev..badly. i was terrified, these guys can't drive at all and the roads out there are in an horrific state. anyway, the reasonably pleasant nikolai was to be the nicest and most affable ukrainian i was to meet in my entire stay as i gradually became to realise that this is a country inhabited by some of the most morose, aggressive, nasty, unpleasant and generally bad characters you could ever wish to meet. i made a mistake in nikolaev to spend too much time with this girl that i'd lined up and i asked her to come to odessa with me. mainly because i hadn't had sex with her in nikolaev but i figured that if i brought her to odessa i definitely would. whilst in nikolaev we went to all the best places to sightsee and visit...nowhere. the place is rubbish. we went for a georgian meal which could be generously described as average and had a nice italian meal which was above average but the real low point was in the nightclub. apparently it is normal for me to take her for a meal, pay for it and the taxis, go to the nightclub, pay for her to get in, but cocktails and then sit by myself as she goes off to dance to the most god awful ridiculous music i've ever heard while i get stared at by menacing men dressed like extras from the a-team for drinking an expensive looking cocktail. anyway, i tell her i want to leave, we leave, she doesn't speak to me for 12 hours. perversely, bliss. the men in ukraine really are a depressing bunch. they are soul-less vapid creatures who skulk murkily about their everyday business. they wear some of the most ridiculous outifts i've ever seen and see no harm in staring at foreigners. if it wasn't for the fact i'd have lost i'd have loved to take every one on in a fight. so my ukrainian girl - what was she like? - self obsessed, i've never met anyone with such a high opinion of the way they looked. she was better in her photographs and admittedly i did sleep with her but she just thought she was so hot. telling me that english women weren't attractive, that russian men can't stop staring at her and trying to touch her and that women were jealous of her when they saw her wearing some dress she had. narcissist. - really f**king rude, do this, pass that, buy me this, don't do that... aaarrrgghh it drove me crazy. she never said please or thankyou and seemed to think she was a princess. by the end of my stay i just refused to do anything and started to order her around which didn't work but helped my dented pride as previously i'd obeyed the orders to nail her. - arrogant and unworldly, she obviously felt she knew a lot more than me despite being 7 years younger and having only ever left the country to visit russia. she didn't know that much, she bored me and she was not interested in knowing anything about me apart from how i might benefit her. maybe i've gone on too long, i haven't had time to process most of my thoughts but i have a few tips to pass on to others: 1 - don't go to nikolaev, it's a hole and the people are awful. 2 - odessa would be a fun place to go with mates 3 - don't marry a ukrainian woman, they will make your life hell 4 - always wear a condom, i didn't and i'm now a little concerned 5 - thailand is beautiful at most times of year and if you want to visit somewhere that you will be genuinely welcomed and have an amazing time with beautiful people..go there. 6 - if you work in finance, hire russian people. they are cold, ruthless, manipulative and a little bit scary. this is the sum total of my musings for now. dcv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/2/2007 3:39:49 PM   we have heard this many times about ukranian women from previous posters here. i now think it is best to avoid them unless some one can convince us otherwise, or maybe ukranian woman just do not like polite affectionate western european men. kingarthur Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/2/2007 4:07:10 PM   Judging from this post, they like irresponsible men, and are themselves irresponsible. Not using a condom in a casual intercourse is just crazy. danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/2/2007 4:21:06 PM   But if one is already avoiding women of their own country and subsequently avoiding women of other country(s) what is the alternative? And, please, don't answer that question, not in public anyway :) nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/2/2007 5:52:49 PM   Maybe it's the Ukrainian women you search for and the age group that has a lot to do with it. As for a Ukrainian women making your life hell, well that's a load of BS. Again it's the women you search for. I would stay out of Places Like Kiev, Odessa Nikolaev. Search off the beaten path a little. At least you can see what cities they are from on Fiance.com If you want to hang out in a disco with a girl why travel hours to do this when you can do it locally. I think a serious girl would rather show you her culture and background than the sites and sounds of a damn bar. Though the culture for them is too look well and that's a good thing, many western women look like refugees from a bag factory. Plus during soviet times, having their looks was pretty much all they had in life and it has passed on in the generations. I wouldn't pass on Ukrainian women, especially since most of them age gracefully. My daughter accused me of robbing the cradle until she found out my wife was 42.The LBFM's in Thailand, PI and Latin America don't age that gracefully. As for kind and decent people, I've traveled quite a bit in my life and I haven't found nicer people than in Mariupol with the exception of Perth Australia. gladiatorUK Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/2/2007 6:56:31 PM   I can echo your thoughts Nas almost to a tee. It is with some amusement just how many times I read on this forum somebody having a bad experience with very few or even one person from Ukraine and then proceeding to slag the entire country and population.Very wide ranging and extensive I'm sure. No matter what country you visit,it is all too easy to meet the wrong type of person.The difficulty here seems to be is being objective.....and realistic about it. Tell you what AP,you judge every country on the basis of "one strike and you're out" and pretty soon you'll run of places to look.Take a look around you,being a UK resident and then tell me just how wonderful our country is!!!............not that simple is it?? Try and be a little more objective,you might have more success if you do. boredfukka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/2/2007 7:03:43 PM   I saw the hottest blonde pamela anderson look alike in Uzghorod at a tacky disco. She gave me a right smile during the evening. Her boobs were fantastic and her lips were pert. I saw so many out-of-this world chix in the Ukraine, that I nearly got a neck ache looking. You can see the difference as you enter from Poland where the girls are not so good looking on the whole. Slovakian girls are nice though too. Jet black hair a lot of them have got. But it is still hard to beat the ukrainian beauties. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/2/2007 7:40:42 PM   Gladdie, good to hear from you. Yeah, my second thought is Maybe Ukrainian women are smarter and don't buy into the bullshit many guys try to lay on them and kick them to the curb quickly. I'm like you, I get tired on hearing about Ukrainian women getting slagged as you say, when there are just as many scammers in Russia and many other countrys in the world, including the golden area of Southeast Asia. Redman_UK Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/2/2007 7:49:25 PM   Maybe the Ukranian men stared menacingly at you because they're fed up of western Europeans going there to take all their finest women! gladiatorUK Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/2/2007 8:50:02 PM   With you all the way on that one Nas........really sick and tired of all the BS that some guys write on the strength of few days or in some case hours with a girl......very few of which I might add represent the average Ukranian. Of course I'm biased in the respect that my wife as yours is, comes from Ukraine.It just makes my blood boil when someone opens their mouth before engaging their brain. Is this a disease common to this forum?...........I am beginning to wonder! For the newbies......the nervous.....the unsure......and the genuinely curious,write in capitals if you want but ask those who really know.There are enough people here some regular posters and some not so prolific who will give you a true insight into many parts of the FSU. It's never an easy route to happiness especially when you have to wade through so much b*llshit that gets posted here,but with a few well aimed questions it needn't be a bad experience. Nas:.....will drop you a line soon,my best to you and Larysa. Tonytitan Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/3/2007 6:13:04 AM   Hey Nasfan6, does LBFM mean what I think it means? Email me at tonytitan@charter.net with all the good 411, especially about Mariupol. Globus Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/3/2007 8:12:56 AM   AP: Speaking of the A-Team, remember the immortal words of MR. T: "Don't be no damn fool, and always wrap up your tool!" :-) Seriously though, the girl you met sounds exactly like the woman I met in Zaporozhye a couple of years ago. I wrote her for a really long time and went to meet her, I spent a week with her which happened to turn out to be the worst week of my whole life. She was mean, rude, conceited, way too angry, bitchy, arrogent, spent all of my money, ordered me around and basically told me everything I did was wrong. I didn't sleep with her although I probably could have. She was gorgeous but her personality turned me off so much I don't think I would have wanted to sleep with her anyways. By the last day I was glad just to get away from her. I was praying for something really awful to happen to her, heck I still do! Ahh.. good times... :-) I also totally agree with you about the men there too. All I would ever get we're mean looks from big looking square headed brutes when I was there too. Maybe if I got a brush cut and wore pointy shoes they would leave me alone next time. :-) nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/3/2007 5:31:16 PM   Tony I will email you. Glad, I swear I don't know where these guys meet these women or why they even go to meet them. The people I have met in Mariupol are decent people, not much different than we are. Larysa's friends are class acts. Luba, Sveta, Lucia, Natasha and Nicola. Great people. When idiots and I say 1% or higher of the guys that go meet these women are anal retentive. Expectations unrealistic, they want slaves and not partners. Toss dollars around for attention and affection. Have their lists of what these women will do and not do. Control freaks. Hey one thing I've learned and I speak of my country also. As a whole, these ladies are more mature and intelligent than the ones in my country. Maybe it's because they haven't had the material spoils. I remember one idiot saying, well when your girl hits the ground in the USA she will spend, spend, spend. Hey guess what? Wrong. My wife never had money much in her life. So she hangs on to a buck real tight. Hell she can have 100 bucks in her wallet and a week later she may have only 97. She didn't forget where she came from because where she is at now. When losers broadbrush a culture and a nation, what they really should do is take a look at themselves and wonder why they failed. Look in the mirror and see if Jerk is written on your forehead. Maybe that's why the ladies have kicked you to the curb. Go women in Ukraine, aren't looking for a financial lottery, they are looking for good men. Yes they want to improve their lives financially, but they want a stable man at home first. Larysa appreciates the opportunity she has. Whether she has to work or not it's her choice. She didn't have that choice back in Ukraine. Now she's picking and choosing her career. Living how she has always wanted to. Guess what, she isn't blowing money like a drunken sailor. Good women are out there. You just have to be real, be honest and smart and you will find one. RK Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/3/2007 11:36:20 PM   nas...excellent post, I couldn't agree with you more, and so far, my experience with the woman I am engaged to supports your thoughts. gladiatorUK Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/4/2007 2:18:54 AM   Nas, my wife even tells me off for waste for god's sake and I have to smile at the thought of all those comments about the "spend,spend,spend" mentality I hear of. COuldn't agree more that most of these women simply do not have the opportunities to acheive what they can here or in the US.I'm sure some do look on it as a lottery win,but in the vast majority of cases that really doesn't hold water....you know it and I know it. Idiots and jerks are usually spotted a mile off,and knowing just how savvy Ukranian women are,and many other FSU nationalities I might add,of course there are gonna be a few who will treat these guys with the contempt they deserve. Climbing down from the soapbox now........:)) beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/4/2007 4:36:16 AM   AP Thanks for your interesting post, I am sure not all women are like yours but in all societies there are women like that. I am surprised you spent so much time with her. Apparently, the wrong head was doing all the thinking. You said you were not looking for a wife and not a sex tourist but sex tourist is what you became thinking you were going to pay if it took every last time to sleep with girl. I hope allthat money, time and anguish worth it. Doesn't sound like the brain was working at all. Sorry to be so blunt but I don't want your experience to cast doubt about Ukranian women. If you just wanted sex, you should have stayed home, paid $50, had your sex and been happy. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/4/2007 6:15:12 AM   RK I think we've had some communication in the past? Do you have my cell phone number? I think you were heading to Ukraine or somewhere. You called and I missed getting back to you? I know you've been around here for a while. It sounds like your trip was successful to say the least. RK Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/4/2007 11:40:34 AM   nas...yes, we've communicated in the past. I have emailed you before and I think I did try calling you once a few months back. Yes, my trips have been great...I travel to Ukraine about once a month. Gotta take advantage of those airline benefits! zeeco Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/7/2007 11:02:10 AM   Hey AP, thanks for the cautionary tale, you are only reporting what you feel, hopefully your next trip will be more fruitful. Andy B Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/30/2007 11:35:42 AM   i'm being met at Odessa airport by a Ukrainian girl on Thursday. She's arranging an apartment fo rme to rent near to where she lives in Nikolaev. She's getting a taxi from Nikolaev to Odessa to meet me. You've made me feel a little uneasy. She seems really nice and really funny. I've got five phone numbers in ODessa if things don't work out! Any advice please? Apart from don't go (flights booked already) Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > just been to nikolaev and odessa
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