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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Hi all, need your thoughts Author Post es49er Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/1/2003 5:49:10 PM   Hello all, I am new here and new to RW online correspondence. I have been writing to a few ladies for about 2 months now and reading the forum for tips from every one else's experiences. As for me I need someone's outside POV. There is one girl I am really interested in that I am writing. She actually contacted me first. Very nice and pretty girl and by the sound of her letters very intelligent. After a month of writing (about 7 emails) she told me that she was having her profile deleted from the site, she stated that she was getting way to many responses and felt bad about not being able to contact everyone. Another reason is that she works and does not have the time to stop by the agency everyday to check her mailbox. She told me that after reviewing a few serious offers and various letters from other men that she decided to correspond only with me. That sounded real nice and I am all for it. But I did notice some things that backed me up on my heels. This is where you guys experience comes in, CodeRed especially. I did see that she had an ungodly amount of letters written to her in the 1 month period she had posted her profile, so I am inclined to believe that is one reason she is off the site. But I noticed little things, for example in several letters the variation of my name changed as if someone different was writing. What I mean is let's say my name is Edward, I would get one letter with Edward, one with Ed, one with Eddie and one with Eddy. Sounded kind of weird to me. So after she told me that she was interested in continuing writing to me she stated that the actually agency that she is with has a service that would take my letters to her door and that would be more convenient for her so she would not have to wait in line to use the computer at the agency. I checked the agency out and it is legit. She said that she would pay for the courier if I agreed to pay for the translation. I am new at this and not very experienced. I would like some thoughts from you guys because she sounds honest and sweet and would love to get to know her more but then again there are couple of "things" there that bother me. Thanks in advance guys. Oh yeah if anyone has heard anything bad about Blinddate.ru please let me know. Olga Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/2/2003 2:24:37 AM   I am sure that other forum members will have something to say about this case, just wanted to chare a couple of thoughts I have about it. You dont have to worry about different name spelling-girls that dont speak English use interpreter services. Sometimes there are a few interpreters in the agency that type and translate girls responses. No wonder that each of them could spell your name differently. Especially when it comes to Eddy or Eddie. But what really should make you think about the situation is the amount of letters she gets. When its à hundred for a year on a site-this is okey, but when its a few hundreds of messages in a month,and she writes you that she decided to correspond only with you after considering serious offers. Just get real, rewiew your own letetrs and try to find out, what it can be that made her choose you out of a hundred other men.Beleive me, young cute girls( since you told that she had ungodly amount of messages, I can assume that she is young and cute) dont choose one man from hundreds of other candidates only because he is such a nice person. More choice-the higher are requirements. Especially be careful if a big age difference is involved here. We give girls statistics on the site just for this purpose. Before starting the correspondence see the stat. Some things may be quite evident. Get sure that this is not just a hook for you to swallow. Im telling this because this girl is real, flesh and blood, and her agency is real-you can talk to the agency manager and visit their office but what you really don't know is whats going on in her head. Just find out what her intentions are and be sure that you are really the one she 've chosen and you are not just a back up option for her. Its is not a scam-girl have a right to choose as well as men, and if she has time to correspond with 100 men at a time-why not.But do you really want to be one of a hundred? Its easy to check it-just arrange a phone call to her and tell that in a couple of weeks you may be visiting her city.Is she willing to meet you right away? ( if she said she've chosen only you-why not?) Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/2/2003 3:32:04 AM   Yeah Olga, you've got them all in the same basket I see. Never doubted this but still, what's due is due :) I'm sure you / your agency gives prospective women some background-info regarding the In's and Out's of this correspondence-thing, basically Do's and Don'ts. Could this standard advice be made public for the other side as well, i.e. us? Dunno if it is somewhere, but if so I've missed it. As for 'Edik' - but by all means correct me if I'm wrong - Russians like the use of nicknames. Svetlana will soon be Svetik or Svetoschka, and appreciated is if you 'invent' a new one. So your various names, even when translated/iterfered by a translator, you could even take as a compliment. But phoning helps a LOT Eduardo, and on-your-feet thinking also - both of you! Make note's, and come back on these the next time. If she's evasive, or gives blatantly wrong answers... make your own conclusions. But of course it IS possible that you're Brad Pitt, rich like Bill, have your own Learjet, and ..... :) Olga Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/2/2003 3:55:49 AM   Thunderdome, sorry but I didnt quite inderstood yourquestion about the advice.Do you mean the advice we give to ladies ? Or the advice we give to men? ;-) Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/2/2003 6:01:35 AM   MyLady, I mean the Ladies. I am sure an agency will not throw them in at the deep end, and some basic advice, from you to them, surely is given. That's the stuff I'd like to know about - presumably others as well. What you give to the men is, well, read above - obvious? ;-) Olga Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/2/2003 6:55:18 AM   Im glad its obvious for you, because other people tend to ask the same questions a lot. As for ladies. Most of the ladies are placed on the site by local agencies, and I dont know what instructions they give them.We never meet those ladies personally . Our site doesnt provides any services for ladies, other then placing their info on our webpage. When they get registered on the site we offer them a few advices how to make a correspondence successful, a few do's and dont's Don't: -ask men to send money -give false address and phone numbers -ignore messages,even if you dont like this person dont leave his message without a response.Send polite decline messages. -describe the hardships of life here and beg for help -rush to meet a person in a third country without knowing him well -send pre-written responses You can probably understand that inspite of those don't many girls do it a lot. As for what to do-there are many advices, from how to make a photo up to a book written by Elena Solomon,"How to marry a foreigner".As far as I know some agencies even have special training classes for their ladies on how to attract man during his short visit to Russia and make a proposal for sure. We dont do it here, just because as I said before, we offer informational services-we help women to prpmote their info, but we dont teach them what to do. Local agencies do that a lot. es49er Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/2/2003 1:07:36 PM   Thanks for your input Olga and TD I will keep my eyes open and makes sure I watch everything without being to scrutinizing. As for the age gap Olga I am 33 and she is 26, I don't think it's that big of a deal there. I just wanted to get a feel for what could be going on if anything. As for the correspondence with 100 guys, what I meant is she had to many letters written to her and she felt a bit overwhelmed so she took her ad off the site. I do not know however how many people she was writing back but like you guys suggested I will probably arrange a phone call in the next couple of weeks to get a feel for the girl. Thanks again guys. Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/3/2003 1:59:01 PM   Eh ES, You'll arrange a call in the next few weeks to get a feel for the girl? Weeks? Feel? Apparently SHE has declared you to be her fave' one, and you seem to believe her apparently, and if not you like her at least. Persistence Pays Pal, as someone has said here get to the Top of the Stack, and do not waste time. Weeks! C'mon, you're joking right? You LIKE her don't you? Then try to GET her - if she's real it's no waste. If she's not you've learned and lost a bit - so what? If you want something OUT of this 'relationship' you better phone NOW, not next month. If you feel the translator-call cost are prohibitive let her get a friend to translate for her (or find someone yourself who speaks Russian). But you phone now.... es49er Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/3/2003 6:31:20 PM   Gotcha TD, will do. mclarenf1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/4/2003 5:16:15 PM   hi es49er, from your description of 'your' girl she sounds just like 'my' girl. Please email me privately so that if it is a scam we can stop others falling into the trap. Hope I'm wrong but who knows ? es49er Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/4/2003 8:00:01 PM   I emailed you Mc. mclarenf1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/4/2003 9:21:47 PM   Copy of email sent to Blind date regarding Olga Avramova. Seems Myself and ES49 have been assured we are the only guys emailing her on 'special service' anyone else out there been hoodwinked by this beauty and Blind Date / Eleview / Fiance.com ? Dear Sirs, It would appear that your offer to enable email correspondence between myself and Olga Avramovo is nothing short of a scam. Another Fiance.com member is also paying for what is termed 'special service' correspondence with Olga. I certainly feel misled and betrayed by your assurance of Olga's intentions, via your agency, towards me and would therefore request that you close the email address you setup on our behalf and refund pro rata the $100 ( two days service ) I paid for what I was led to believe, was honourable intentions from Olga towards me. Sadly, I thought your agency was legitimate but it appears not to be, your comments will be appreciated and if a refund is not forthcoming make no mistake that litigation will follow. es49er Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/4/2003 9:25:16 PM   Rip em Mac! I snet mine as well :-O es49er Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/4/2003 10:26:08 PM   Olga, your thoughts? jmatador Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/4/2003 11:37:52 PM   To: mclarenf1, es49er, This Olga Avramova mentioned here is one lady i exchanged letters with here at fiance.com . She wrote to me first. being real innocent and how she decided (after persuasion from the agency) to write me Initially and respond my following leters. On her seventh letter she asked me to buy her flowers to Assure her my serious intentions As some may know is not cheap to send anything to europe. I declined and she wrote me back apologizing for her choosing methods but that was her decision. i respect her choosing methods and Im not jumping in conclusions here. Obviously this girl is real pretty I seen her picture in www.Anastasiaweb.com Also One thing i notice was how quick she was to send photos even one picture with her family. this stricked me a lot (to include father mother and younger brother) she told me she could open a special photo box at her own cost if i wanted to. I know a digital camera scanning equip. is not easily available etc. furthermore, Her only request was for me to buy her flowers. I dont know guys, all this flower options in this site and the fact she asked me to send her flowers or else we would no longer communicate made me suspicious of her honest intentions. On the other hand, I would not say she's a scammer Ia obvious she had hundreds of letters sent to her and if this is her elimination process let her choose. I would like to ask any man here to put your self in her case lets say hundreds of girls responded or wrote you letters. What would you do?? she was here only 2-3 weeks and had over 150 letters.!!!! In fact after i declined to send her flowers she asked me for advice I told her to start an elimination process categorizing age, wealth, Looks, etc. and respond or continue relationships with this men and follow her heart. thats what i wrote to her. I give her the benefit of a doubt due to the fact i saw her family picture. In my culture you may be the meanest, worst, person but your loved ones (parents, sons, daughters) are kept out of any business. Some of us have balls to step up and say this is what i did... im not saying shes a following my advise or that shes a scammer maybe she eliminating more people and us three (es49er, mclarenf1, jmatador) Have been eliminated off her list which is what she claims to find her man. Now what would i do in her case? would i say : congratulations!!. "Gloria (or whatever her name is) youre in the semi-finals out of over 100 women" i chosen you as my top 5 or 10? nah i dont think so i would probably continue elimaninating until i find that 1/2. Finally i may ad she never promised anything she only was trying to figure out who is her man. I would talk to her one last time and tell her whats been discussed here and As Bob Marley once said "Jugde not before you judge yourself" any private comments you may contact my email traviezo33ca@aol.com god bless Olga Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/5/2003 7:39:13 AM   What I think about it is...This girl was removed from put site when we found out that there are too many messages to her, and that a great deal of those messages were unanswered.We also has an agreement with partners, that if their girl wants to continue correspondence with man directly, they have to remove her profile from the site. It was done on the first of september. Since after that I got many questions from men where is this girl, I had a talk with a manager of a Blind Date agency, that explained me, that right now Olga is at the point of stopping correspondence with men, because there are too much of them writing her and she wants to choose only those who are 100% interested in her. Her please let me use a part of a message I wrotwe to one of our customers who asked me about her by e-mail: Beleive me or not, this girl is 100% real. We had many proofes of that, because when the flower orders started to arrive for her we requested her photo at flower delivery. Moreover, I know the agency she is from for more then 5 years. They are good and reliable partners and they NEVER let us down so far. In fact we met them in person a few times, and those people never hide scammers in their agency. Let me also tell you that there is a great differemce for a girl-to communicate via our site or via her own agency. We offer VIP membership for men. Unlimited correspondence for 30$.This includes sending responses to girls and back.What it means for girls? It doesnt includes the translation of the messages, it doesnt includes the delivery of the message. Girl has to go and pick up every message. What it means for men? They send hundreds of messages to different ladies. Sope people manage to send 10 messages a day to different girls. Does it means they are serious about all those 10 girls? Of course not. As a VIP member you probably could see the stat of this girl. She received more then 500 messages in a month. Can you imagine how many men wrote her and what work she has to do to choose those who are ther most serious and not just writers to 10-100 other ladies? Finally Olga requested to remove her profile from the site. As a manager of the agency explained me, she is tired from all those messages and she just wanted to pick most serious person to continue with.Even if they didnt request it, we would delete her profile anyway, because there were too much letters to her. She picked whats more convenient to her( having more then 500 letters she has a good choice, right?). Also, thats a good way to get rid of those who are not serious. More then 90% of those who wrote to her will disappear now. Also. one more thing. If you read the profile of this girl, you could easily notice, that her requirements are above average,A girl that says that she doesnt wants to do anything about the house, that wants to have a maid and a personal driver. No wonder she expects you sending her flowers and gifts. I just wonder, why men dont see all that when they exchange letters and see the girls stat? If you are not satisfied with the offer of her agency-why not just dropp it off and choose somebody else? She is not a scammer-I mean, she really exists and she is what she writes about herself. And this is what she does to find the one who is really interested in you and who will have all what she wants in man. Right now she is removed from the site. Its up to you to continue the relationships with her or not via this other agency. In some way you are right-if she was interested in you, then she would not care about the way of getting mesages from you. But, as you can understand, in her situation with a choice she has, she can be very choosy.And she is real.May be not as interetsed in you as you are in her, but she is real. Beleive me or not. Her agency are honest people. They are ready to refund back the money for all those who is not satisfied that Olga is corresponding with other men and paid for Blind date already. What was a scam in this-is that she wrote to different men that he is the only one she wants to write to. But this is what I was writing about in a previous message-get real and dont swallow the hook when you see it. You suspect that something is wrong and somebody is asking for your money-check the situation. This girl is really looking for husband. Lets say, the methods she is using may not be appealing to everyone. But thats the way she is, and wheather or not you need it-its up to you. Here on our site we dont edit girls messages, but we remove profiles when girls ask for direct correspondence or ask men to send them gifts-monet -etc. Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/5/2003 1:56:12 PM   Hi Guys & Doll, a girl who (upfront - in her profile!!) declares herself unfit for any domestic tasks, demands a full-time maid and a private chauffeur (for starters?) is either loony or exceptionally lovely, the emphasis being on "exceptional". May the Best Man win, and ES better has phoned already. Beauty fades however, an attitude apparently not. Any of you please do me a favor, and supply a working link so curious folk (ME!!) can see what feathers this bird wears. In fact I could provide the birdseed required, but am very wary that the cage will hold. Those chasing her better have either a massive wingspan, plenty glue or a huuuuuge net! Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/5/2003 1:59:14 PM   ( Psst Olga, I'll take your word for it, and will believe this girl is real. Do you also think she is for real? :) es49er Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/5/2003 3:24:49 PM   Olga, I will give you that. Maybe she is real and I will take your word for it. And you're right she may be going about finding that special person even though it may not be the way we like, but because of the vast amount of mail she recieved that's the way she has decided to do it. That may be the best for her. I really don't know what to say. I do know that when I first saw her profile after she wrote me, it didn't say then anything about drivers and maids, I noticed that change a couple of weeks after writing to her. Needless to say I am a bit stunned all the way around. Now I am more confused than when I started this. But thanks to all for your imput. :-O Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/6/2003 4:08:41 AM   Hey ES, you're confused? Don't be, and certainly don't show it to her! She would appear very sure of herself, and I presume wants somebody similar. I hope you've phoned already (you haven't by the sounds of it :( , which is a bad start). I wonder why: - Olga says she is real - believe her and PHONE! - Get your 'feel' for her, do not lie regarding your financial status if this subject is discussed, and plan a visit (U 2 her) asap. Like in SOON china, do not waste time if you really like her (and I mean REALLY like her). - Once there you'll experience this woman and can decide IF you like her - and obviously this is a mutual thing. This woman wants/needs someone tangible, see someone (if she hasn’t already), to believe (i.e. experience) that what she’s going through is for real. Apparently plenty men are drooling over her picture and, by the sounds of it, totally ignoring her ‘demands’ which she decided later she could get away with. VISIT her pal, see if those are real or just a way for her to select somebody who indeed is ‘financially secure’. - Take it from there I would say crucial is to find out (both of you) what your shared future would look like. She apparently has some plans and of course you do also - find out if they can be combined? If so - good luck. If not you've learned a lot, and I suppose you will have had a nice holiday. If you cannot afford to go (whatever the reason) you’re not the right guy for her – in fact such would make you the wrong guy for any Russian woman. If you cannot visit asap make fixed arrangements for one in the very near future, and find out from her is anybody else will visit BEFORE you will. If not mail her a scan of your ticket (proof of AND your real intentions AND your name, i.e. you are who you say) - but make up your mind if she tells the truth regarding anybody else visiting before you do. Statistically you stand a lesser chance if you’re the umphteenth, and you do not want to plan a trip if someone else is with her before you will arrive. If so however, and you still want to plan to go (high risk), I'd take out an insurance which will allow you to cancel your trip on very short notice without forfeiting all you've forked out (ticket, hotel, car-rental etc). On this point, don’t buy presents before this time, buy them at the airport you’ll depart from, or buy them there once you meet her. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Hi all, need your thoughts
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