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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Kherson, Nikolaev, Odessa Author Post Britman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/31/2007 10:47:05 AM   Here's some advice, I have been to many places in Ukriane Kiev and others as above. I dont beleieve in writing yards of letters to women, it doesn't work, because the minute you actually meet them there may not be any chemistry and its all a waste of time and money. I suggest you choose, 20 girls or so and make arrangements to simply meet them in Ukraine. Tell the agency you want to meet the girls when you arrive, pay for each meeting or get a package and then simply meet them for an hour. If you onyl want sex then do as you wish but I am talking about love and marriage...You'll know right away, firstly if YOU like them and secondly, you will know if they like you or atleast pretend to like you, then go from there, but all this letter writing, flowers and such is BS. If any of those women want you they wont want the flowers and crap. They will also take you as you are if they are serious. Been there and done it. I could have been married once or twice but I declined (no love from my part). Watch out cause it still seems to me that some of the same old scammers are still about enjoying nice dinners from un suspecting men especially in Kherson. It s easier to meet the girls, preferably English speaking ones, because if any woman is serious about moving to an English speaking country they will make the effort to learn. Its not money, its effort and whether they are serious or not. Don't be fooled by the fact that all these woman are penniless, even if they are poor, they are not completely penniless I can assure you. If they want to move they WILL learn English. Many of the girls are genuine, but dont spend too much on them... if you love each other they will make all the neccessary agreements with you to learn English and prepare for moving. If they only want gifts and money and dinners, GIVE them a WIDE BERTH. Truth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/31/2007 12:57:21 PM   TO Britman Hello, new here, and read what u have written...I agree with you completely that men as well as women should be careful! And for a man as well as for a woman it can be a waste of time, and for a man a waste of money… maybe you are right that it is much better to meet with 20 girls, but how u can find a right one ;-) as to choose a right girl spending only 2-3 hours with a girl in a restaurant is not enough….just the case how she looks like ;-) ? Think that is not enough… My experience: Now I communicate with one guy, he is from USA, and also had bad experience with women from FSU. And unfortunately, he has the same opinion about flowers and presents as you….but….i am not one of this girls, who just want to spend time at restaurants and “use” a man, I am serious about finding a man… do u think it is pleasant for me not to get any flowers from him or small presents, not because I cannot buy a perfume by myself, but just because HE is a MAN, and I want to get attention from him. Yes, I want him to give me presents, and to go with him somewhere for vacations, but not because I use him….. Present --- attention Vacation --- to get to know how a man will behave not at my country, and in my city, but in neutral territory where I depend on him…as it will show what our life could be… So as for knowledge of English….if a girl is serious she will learn the language, but if a man has serious intentions about her, why not to support her with money? Do not think that it can be a problem…but…if you want to be sure that she really attends classes, check her ;-) that is easy! Thanks for reading ;-) P.S I am from Odessa ;-) nobodyknows Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/31/2007 2:38:34 PM   "to support her with money"?? hey, i believe u r grown enough to earn money. i m not against "support" when u live together , or have been dating for a few years (dating, not sending emails!), but to support the girl the man hardly knows.... it s out of the question! and vacation - u LOVE that guy, so cant u please him, buy a package tour with yr own money and come to any country for vacation to get to know each other better (the country u may afford the trip to)? why should he pay for tours?! he wants to pay,ok, go ahead. but why do girls EXPECT any trips...as though he owes her smth.... as to flowers... yeah , guys, i agree with Truth entirely on this point. russian women like flowers. they r so cheap... (abt 5-10 dollars).why not buy them to the girl u like while u r walking along the street? so romantic!:)) Britman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/31/2007 4:06:53 PM   plenty of time for money and presents when you're married :-)...life is not so bad for the women in Ukraine.... and like I said if the girls are serious START LEARNING ENGLISH....Ukrainian women are very smart.. it dont take long to leanr English...My friends wife from Kherson spoke a tiny amount of Englsih but she learned quickly and now speaks Great Englsih, 3 kids and one happy family;-) P.S. I did support women I met with money and some gifts, some turned out to be scammers;-) beware... i still think that there are many good girls in ukraine who want a better life with a good man... that's why i am returning:-) Britman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/31/2007 4:08:30 PM   One more thing.... If i had all the answers I would be happily married with children and very content... so obviously I dont have all the answers as I am beginning my search again;-) Batman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/31/2007 4:28:33 PM   Truth, A couple of things I've got to call you on. 1. If a woman is serious about the process, she'll learn English. Of course, if she becomes serious about an English speaking man, she'll double her efforts to learn. Support for the woman would only come IF they became serious. Two different stages of a relationship in my opinion. 2. Vacation would be the last scenario where I'd expect to see what realistically our life could be. No housework, no job to come home from, no yard work, nothing but meals in restaurants, etc. Nothing about being on vacation with our special someone is realistic about what life would be during non vacation time. Batman Truth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/31/2007 4:54:20 PM   Guys, you know quite well that woman allover the world like flowers and presents… so at least flowers are Ok ;-) and it is really cool to get flowers… you are right that a man can support a woman only if they are together….but “dating for many years” not possible… To Nobodyknows While you organize fiancée visa, should you support your woman? If it is America from 3 till 6 month? As for the trip…i can pay for my vacations ( only to cheap resorts) , but there are a lot of women who really cannot… Seriously, the better way to see whether a man and a woman are good for each other is to spend time to organize a trip...or you are ready to marry a woman with whom you maximum spend one week in her native city meeting with her for 3 -4 hours per day? If every day….;-) beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/31/2007 7:08:42 PM   Britman...if I was a girl..I would run from you...and I don't even know you. From your post you sound like a cheapskate, have to get something for giving something. Your 20 girls sounds like speed dating, being in such a rush to get to next one that you don't know anything about the previous one and in the end you know nothing of any of them. What is wrong with just a handful, maybe 5-6 over a couple weeks!! Letter writing is important because that is your only means of trying to get to know something about girls. Need to have something to figure out which girls you want to meet. Why pay agency $20-$50 a pop just to meet a girl. If I was that agency, I would roll out the red carpet and in russian tell everyone what goldmine you have in this guy. As far as flowers, it is a great way to get a girls attention, just to let her know you care or thinking about her. That $50 dollars will get you many times its price in the eyes of a girl, I know, I've seen their eyes light up when they get flowers. If you know a girls work address, send them there and when all girls at that work see them, they will be envious of your girl and your girl will feel prized. Since you expect girls to learn english, what about you learning some russian???? Are you going to make any sacrifices or are you just the money man...that is your part!!! You sound like world traveler!!! Land of oz Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/31/2007 10:17:18 PM   Truth Every man who has seriously searched for an FSU lady has been told a good FSU woman will not ask for money. So if you do he will wonder down deep is she really a good woman. Not that most men would mind spending a little money on a lady. As far as flowers and gifts a lady should not have to ask. It is my opinion that a worthy partner prospect would remember to send some little surprises from time to time. Especially for holidays and birthdays. Before I ever introduce myself to a lady I send a single red rose and get a picture taken. You do not get a second chance to make a first impression and then I know if the lady exists and what she looks like now. If I was courting a local lady I would spend much more than this on the first date and a long distance relationship is harder to maintain than a local one. Well maybe not for some of the more scary men here :-). As far as English lessons this again is up to the man. If he wants to give this as a gift fine. If not be ware of what he will think if you ask any mention of money and Western Union is going to scare him. If you have met and are pursuing a finance visa you may be able to be a little bolder. To have him pay for a vacation to remote location. If he wants to let him suggest it. Myself I would not do this on the first meeting. In the first place you are meeting someone off of the Internet that you know little about. It would be more secure to meet him in your city. Remember your motive, are you trying to do get to know this man or just have a free vacation. The second meeting or if the first is an extended stay perhaps this could be planned if this is his desire. These are only my opinions. But do remember that it is driven into mens minds that a lady asking for money is bad news. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/1/2007 1:24:39 AM   Now this is a message to all the guys here that seem to believe the 'U' in FSU stands for Ukraine, i.e. the guys that are too bone idle to look elsewhere in FSU and fork out some $50 for a visa. Ukraine has become far more commercialised/westernised than other countries, just by reading on this forum it is Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine with little if any mention of the 'stan' countries, Russia, Belarus, Moldova etc. It is a Ukrainian way that the boyfriend, the Ukrainian boyfriend, shall financially support the girlfriend and whilst I wholely support the 'do not send money to someone you haven't met' there is going to be an expectation, if the relationship is to survive, that financial support shall be provided. Now if you're not happy with this then you need to look at some of the other countries, in UKraine they earn perhaps $300 a month, having been to Uzbekistan twice I can tell you that there they earn $30 a month, what price a visa, it's going to cost you 10 fold in the long run. I'm trying to say this as openly as I can, the more and more guys believe that Ukraine is the only country to travel to then the more and more those ladies are going to be spoilt, such guys will all be chasing the same piece of skirt and her expectations, her price, will go up and up. nobodyknows Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/1/2007 2:19:28 AM   Truth, i m a girl, not a man:))) moreover, i live in Russia:) Britman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/1/2007 6:11:01 AM   I've done all the flowers and vacations bit...Turkey, which is where the Ukrainians go and Budapest, several times, its not that I am against giving, it that I think its important to excersize caution when spending money before you even know the girl... But Ukrainians do have a habbit of wanting thier men, even if they ar enot thier men to spend money on them, same old story. I ahve also been caught a few times, sending money after I presumed the lady was REALLY serious and giving computers x 2 and got Fkd on them.. so don't beleieve all what you are told....I learned and am learning the hard way. I dont know of any English women who FKD me financially after only a few dates...:-)And its definately not all truew that all Ukrainian women are faithful, loving family orientated... but for sure many of them are too. here's me email for any serious woman who wants a serious man for marrieage children and family. mikeyukraine@yahoo.com Britman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/1/2007 6:13:06 AM   beemer ... you probably have never even been to Ukraine --Idiot--Its about being cautious not stupid and I have been stupid in the past....don't be fooled when you have done it you'll understand. I've done all the holidays and gifts, but I guess you live your life just writing letters and living on the interent:-) Britman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/1/2007 6:17:06 AM   beemer18 elcome to Ukriane.. MONEY MONEY MONEY... and mor emoney and perhaps a little mor eMONEY:-) and posisbly for beemer18, just living a life of fantasy through letters, when many of theletter he recieves -duh, are written by the girls in the agencies and mad eup by htem, I actually dated a girl who worked in an agency, and she told me everything about how they work.. I don't need much adbice from Mr beemer18, thank you... but you continue writing you letters from where ever you are and getting off on the fact that some lovely girl is falling in love with you when in reality you're spending money onletters which could have been written by the office girls:-) hehehee:-))) -- Britman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/1/2007 6:31:10 AM   There's some stupid people on here... I spent two years Mr beemer18 travelling to Ukraine. As I said in my first letter, I helped firnd my bets friend a wife whom I see eveyday, who now live sin England but came from Kherson, so there's not much about kherson I don't know, I simply was not in love with two of the girls I dated so I did not marry, but i also had my fare share of scammers, so instead of berating me Mr beemer18, simply take what I said on board as a message of warning to all the genuine MEN unlike you, and as I have already said, I have done the spending bit and will do it again when I am sure of the girl. As for world travelling, you probably get as far as the coast of USA, me... well I won't even rise the bait, instead of slagging people, try listening to them without acidic comments because people like you are probably getitng off at home from the fake letters you receieve from the fake girls instead of getting your ass to whereever you should be and meeting the girls:-) Have a nice day, as they say. I think I get more frustrated sometimes with the stupid idots on here (men) than the women in Ukraine:).... beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/1/2007 10:16:46 AM   Britman...my, my how defensive you are. First of all, why don't you just ask me if I've been to Ukraine. We've been at this almost the same time frame. If you can't take someone elses opinion why give yours. One thing is for sure, I've never given money to any girl or computers 2X for that matter. Sorry you got scr**ed. Maybe that is why you have this opinion and it's fine I merely disagreed and stated my opinion. I don't call people names, that is for kids, if you have something to say go ahead, it merely brushes off of me. If it makes you feel better personally putting people down, call me anything you want. If you read my post I called NOBODY stupid, if you felt I did, it is in your mind. I fully aware of minefields in this search, I have met a few 'scammers', I call them shoppers because then wanted to go shopping with me( of course for them) but my last 2 trips I have met sincere girls only things didn't work out. Lastly, I was not 'advising' you of anything, only stating my thoughts, advice is only something when asked for, there is a difference. YOU have a nice day Britman... Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/1/2007 10:55:34 AM   beemer, Thank you, with 4 posts in 20 minutes I was beginning to believe that Britman was talking to himself :) nobodyknows Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/1/2007 11:29:09 AM   it was mentioned on the forum that the fsu girls r hot-tempered, temperamental, fly into temper at the sight of the booted foreigner on the carpet:))) what abt u, guys? or better to say U-Britman? ok, i can imagine u r angry at all the female creatures on the world, but why r u angry at Beemer?:) he just shares his own thoughts and ideas with all of us and never imposes them om anyone from this forum. he sees the life as he wants to see it, whtever good or bad it is. it s his point, wheather we share it or not, and he has a right to express what he thinks (if i m not mistaken this forum is just for ideas, and not any ideology everyone must follow) Britman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/1/2007 3:24:04 PM   I am not angry only with the nasty comments made by men on this forum.... I was imply giving some advice.. take it or leave it... but messages such as beemer 18 Send: 31.10.2007 19:08:42 are uncalled for and naturally cause frustration..I did not attack the men on here on defende dmyself from the men on here:-) You wont see me here again as I can see what kind of people I am dealing with;-)Moooooooooooorons Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/1/2007 4:35:02 PM   May we presume that Billy NoMates has left the building? Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Kherson, Nikolaev, Odessa
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