Guys wake up and stop dreaming! Do you really think that you can find a nice Ukrainian girl willing to leave her country to live with a 50-60 year old loser from the West? I have not seen any nice men during my trips there over the past 6 years. The girls themselves ask me: why do we get such old losers here from the West? They also hate American men, they say they are uncultured and think they can buy everything with their money. Save your time and energy and if you can't find a girl in your own country then don't expect a gorgeous 20 something to move back with you. Don't believe the agencies, if you look carefully they cross list many of the girls which tells you that they share the same data. I already had three wives including an American and a Ukrainian and believe me the girls are lying and the agencies mislead you, all they want is your money. Unless you are willing to move there and establish a normal relationship you will be fooled again and again by girls you will never meet.
Funny that you say we're "losers" and "uncultered" when you've by your own admission met three women willing to step out on their marriage vows to meet a man from overseas and are "lying" in this enterprise.
The rest may be true about moving overseas, expecting a 20 year-old and agency lies but I doubt the loser meter is pegged to the American side. I'm sure the losers exist on both sides of the foreign bride equation.
I for one am willing to find a gem even if it's a as big of a turd mine as you make it out to be.
As Alex said in another Post - "men, get real! don't go for dating websites, go to social websites, get friends 1st and see if the friendship grows into something more )))"
This is correct - but you can still use the Dating sites as a start and to try and form a relationship "pen pal" communication from them.
Oh – just read Alex’s Post on the http://vkontakte.ru site etc
So there we go – in boots and all
Well done Alex !!!!!!!!!!!!!
By the way – Gib – doe – I found a Ukraine wife 3 – 4 years back and so don’t agree with your pessimism
Obiged (anagram) addresses 'Guys wake up and stop dreaming' and then continues to rant on about Americans. Is he addressing guys or only American guys or is he merely another one that has had a bad experience and is ranting revenge?
"The girls themselves ask me: why do we get such old losers here from the West?"
Maybe by some chance they were giving you a hint????
"They also hate American men, they say they are uncultured and think they can buy everything with their money."
I have a problem trusting anyone that uses the word 'they' more than once in a sentence. Funny, I never heard a girl say she hates anything, maybe 'dislike'. If you are talking about a girl, must be the one that expected to be treated like royalty and wasn't.
They are not desperate to leave Ukraine, I watch a show of Pay T.V satellite called Naked and Funny, a Ukrainian t.v show translated into english, it gets girls and guys off the street in everyday dress ( and they are well dressed ), its made in and around the streets,parks and shops of cities such as Kiev and Odessa, the streets etc. are clean, shops modern...the whole conditions look like a western country ( if not better )...its real life situations in real life places with a funny and erotic twist...Ukraine does not appear to be a dump or backward at all ( this show made in 2006 )...why would they want to leave if living conditions this good...seeing is believing even if its real T.V made by Ukrainians...agencies spin a lot of bull..life in Ukraine looks good nowdays...most girls will not leave Ukraine for the average Western Joe...to get them to consider leaving you need to be a millionaire or earning well into 6 figure annual salary in $...most rich men will not even look at FSU girls...they can afford the model quality local women AND the men on internet who look at FSU women are old has beens or poor Joes...thats the reality...western guy with factory overalls, tradies tool box or cheap business shirt will never buy a Ukrainian women,especially 20 to 40 age group..this is reality.
They are not desperate to leave Ukraine, I watch a show of Pay T.V satellite called Naked and Funny, a Ukrainian t.v show translated into english, it gets girls and guys off the street in everyday dress ( and they are well dressed ), its made in and around the streets,parks and shops of cities such as Kiev and Odessa, the streets etc. are clean, shops modern...the whole conditions look like a western country ( if not better )...its real life situations in real life places with a funny and erotic twist...Ukraine does not appear to be a dump or backward at all ( this show made in 2006 )...why would they want to leave if living conditions this good...seeing is believing even if its real T.V made by Ukrainians...agencies spin a lot of bull..life in Ukraine looks good nowdays...most girls will not leave Ukraine for the average Western Joe...to get them to consider leaving you need to be a millionaire or earning well into 6 figure annual salary in $...most rich men will not even look at FSU girls...they can afford the model quality local women AND the men on internet who look at FSU women are old has beens or poor Joes...thats the reality...western guy with factory overalls, tradies tool box or cheap business shirt will never buy a Ukrainian women,especially 20 to 40 age group..this is reality.
I am the one with the tradies tool box, $60k salary earning potential average, in the middle income range...not good enough to have afforded this..I got a good local girl instead
My salary range of $60k was not good enough for Irina of Krivoy Rog, I think she considered me "poor"...poor here is someone on 30k a year in Australia...PEOPLE WAKE UP!
The OP gives some sound advice mixed with his rant based on his own failure/s. There is gold in everything if you dig deep enough, the opening post and even Ukraine I suspect.
Another name for Danny??????? They hate American Men?? I guess I must have changed my nationality. Sounds like another guy who bought into the agency game becaue they weren't smart enough to see reality.
Soungs like sour grapes to me, another who got fleeced for a bunch of money. By the way Gib how is your house building capabilitys? There's a guy in Chelny that could use your help and probably you financial assistance he's giving tours at $4200 a popl
I am only red flagging things you and I have been led to believe by the girls and the agencies (or pimps). The system does not work and would lead to more failures. The whole bride scene is so corrupt and full of fonies that the men are in need of protection. I can't believe recent legislation in the U.S., we can't even get phone numbers now!!! Of course there is an exception to every rule hence, success stories. The Ukraine is also changing and is resenting the foreign attacks. The people are getting tired of the onslaught of foreign men hitting on young girls. Several articles were written about sex tourists and there was even a demonstration a few weeks ago. The economy has much improved and there is no need to leave the country anymore. GET IT? If you find a girl she must be really desperate or really loves you, you decide!!! How is she going to love you if you only send her emails?
O-Big-Ed,
You have headlined your thread 'The Ukraine is a Hoax', not the people, not the ladies, but you have labelled the country as being a hoax.
Well from the very many trips I have made to the country of Ukraine, there is no such country as 'The Ukraine', I, and I'm sure many others can also, can testify that it is one of the most straightforward countries that I have visited, what one sees is what one gets, and there is no 'country' deception (hoax) whatsoever.
And the rest of your opening post is as much a crock of sh1t as is your headlining.
Gladiator put it best once. "You pay your money and take your turn." It's really that simple. Though you need to educate yourself before you go. I don't know how many times it's been beaten into the ground that you need to seperate the lady from the agency. If she's not up for that move on. I got a contact from one ladies agency that I had been writing, about the setup of our meeting in Kiev. I told them I make my own arragnements. Funny how I never heard from her again??????????
Some experts here will say they are not willing to leave their country without stepping foot in it. How the hell do they know? They've never been there, never met face to face only a diatribe of letters and to who? Do they really know. Not a chance.
As in another thread, meeting a lady in Yalta. Please this would be the last place I would have my first meeting. Especially this time of year. Then complaining all the way. The problem was the guy was ill prepared, ill informed on his first trip to Ukraine/Crimea. That's what these forums are for, if you can get past some of the idiots that post here.
There's enough information in these archives to get you through your first visit there. You have to go, nothing anyone writes here, will surpass the actual trip.
I remember my first trip and landing in Kiev and wondering to myself, WTF am I doing?? It was a cold icy place. Well if I would have sat behind my keyboard like many here do and condemn these women, I wouldn't have met the most incredible lady in the world. I didn't use an agency, I didn't use any of their services. We did it on our own.
When we first communicated by phone she would get her friends daughter who was pretty fluent in English to translate. You will be surprised how many women know someone who is fluent in English and willing to help them. Cost, a simple gift when I arrived and met them.
Is this a difficult journey, sure it is, it's more difficult after you are married. Then it starts to get easier. If you are not prepared to make the committment to this, then stay behind the keyboard or find another vocation. This isn't for the meek and unwilling to sacrifice of themselves.
I like what Aussie said: "Will never buy a Ukrainian." That is the problem, most men are going to the Ukraine to buy a wife. You can not buy a Ukrainian woman, not in a million years! She has to like you and you have to make her happy. She will check you out, she will test you when you come see her, she will push you and challenge you and make it as tough for you as possible. She wants to know if you are really interested. What do you expect her to do when you come for a week, drop everything and come running??? Of course she wants to know if you can handle her or not. The trick here is to be able to seperate the sly from the straight as the sly is more willing to see you and get your money.
I have a friend in California, he was writing to girl using agencies like anastasiaweb.com and some others I guess... he was caming to Ukraine and Russia to meet the girls he was writing too. It never worked out...
So... he met a girl from Moscow on a social network. He came for a week to meet her, few weeks later they went for vacation together, few weeks after that I got a photo of their wedding.
Forget the agencies, go to social networks. If a girl is serious about you, take her for short vacation to test it. 24 hours a day for a week is more time than you spend with your family ))) and it's absolutely better than wasting months writing letters to a girl everyday and more likely it's just an agency doing this correspondence job ;)
O-Big-Ed,
Aussie speaks as an individual who has never set foot in Ukraine, he's been reading too much hype such as the crap you write.
What Ukrainians really 'hate' are jerks that travel there time after time, year after year, and still continue to call it 'the Ukraine'.
Last month I was in 'The Italy', 'The Switzerland' & 'The Turkey', next month I'm planning on going to 'The Germany', perhaps via 'The Belgium' and then a return trip to 'The Italy' via 'The Switzerland'!
>What Ukrainians really 'hate' are jerks that travel there time after time, year after year, and still continue to call it 'the Ukraine'. <
Is this true Martin?
Im not an expert on Unkrainian women but I would have thought you could slip "The Ukraine" past most of them without them noticing the difference.
I'll test tonight. )
Adman,
As another forum member recently highlighted they focus highly on education. Whilst an occasional 'the Ukraine' might slip by, as will many a slip of the tongue, they, the ones looking for an educated guy, will take it in and whilst they may smile politely it all attributes to the points scored, or not scored, system.
Hence we have a recently joined forum member strutting around with a chip on his shoulder that they are all a hoax ..... I presume that hoax is another word for educated and not taken in so easily by dumbasses :)
Search Ptichka here and you will get your lesson on "The Ukraine" no such place and only people who know little about Ukraine call it "The Ukraine." It is an insult to many Ukrainians as if their country is some province of a larger one.
I really hate dumbasses who pretend to know it all and really are just dumbasses: read the origin of The Ukraine below:
Ukraine" is from Old East Slavic ukraina meaning "borderland". It derives from u ("by, at") and the Slavic root kraj ("edge; region").[6] The territory was so named because it was the borderland or "frontier zone" of medieval Russia at the time of the Tatar invasion in the 13th century.[6] It was also known as "Little Russia", in contrast to "Great Russia", when its medieval principality became separated from "mainstream" tsarist Russia as a result of the Mongol invasion.[6] In the Ukrainian language, krayina simply means "country." In English, the country is referred to without the definite article, conforming to the usual English grammar rules for names of countries.[7] Before the country's independence in 1991, the country was often referred to as The Ukraine. The term Ukraine rather than The Ukraine is now predominant in diplomacy[8] and journalism.[9][10][11][12][13][14]
Well Martin I will agree that it is harder to impress than some think.
I probably fall into the dumbass catergory because I learnt a little Russian expecting this to be a winner, Only to find out Ukrainians hate the language and expect you to know Ukrainian.
Oh well back to school.