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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Trying to bring my girlfriend to the USA on a Visitor (B-2) Author Post Mini Cooper Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/26/2009 1:17:25 AM   I'm attempting to bring my Ukrainian girlfriend to the USA on a Visitor Visa (B-2) for a short trip. I'm not sure how she should complete the question about the purpose of her visit... I'm worried if she tells the truth they will denie the visa. 1. Should she hide the fact that we are a couple and tell them she is strictly a tourist? 2. Should she tell the truth that her purpose is to visit her boyfriend? If anyone has some experience on this matter and/or recomendations to offer it would be appreciated. Mini Cooper Mini Cooper Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/26/2009 1:20:45 AM   OOPS! please excuse the spelling... "deny" not denie and "recommendations" not remcomendations!!! ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/26/2009 2:13:51 AM   I heard that it is hard to get qualified, Mini Cooper, especially someone from Ukraine. I heard of people going to countries more favorable to get a better chance. Filipinos, for example try to sneak into the US by any means possible. Therefore, the Philippines is blacklisted. But, it is easier if the Filipino tries to get in from Australia. I am sure you already looked at the requirements. I don't have any experience in this matter. I hope you keep us informed and good luck. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/26/2009 2:42:30 AM   I know of a Filipino who finally got his visitor visa. He has been trying since at least, 2004. He got it from Saudi Arabia. They give countries who have something to offer the US, a favorable status. I also hear that if you have money in the bank, say, $50K or $100K, and convince them that you are going to invest or spend that in the US, you are almost a sure thing. Don't listen to me, Coop. I don't think you'll make it, but what do I know. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/26/2009 5:38:47 AM   Mini, why are you filing for a B-2? It would be safer to file the K1. Even if you file more than two K1's in a two year period you can apply for a waiver. It's the best option for approval, the B-2 may complicate an actual K1 application down the road, I'm not certain 100% about that, though a red flag would come up if you apply for a K1 later. Check visajourney.com for great information on K1 visa and any other type of visa's. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/26/2009 4:40:49 PM   I agree with Nasfan. I don't have experience, but I kept my ears open on this matter. A lawyer also told me that a visitor visa is hard and takes long. You will have to tell your intent to marry, but don't have to marry her with a K1. She is given a six week visa and if she doesn't get married then, her visa expires. DrKoop Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/26/2009 5:59:07 PM   Visitor visas require the applicant to show "strong ties" to ones country of permanent residence which would compell one to return. Strong ties can be property, good job, children, etc. Denial rate is 29%, so you odds of getting one are 71%. Or try the new nonimmigrant visa called "summer camp" visa. Or raise yourself to the reality. Things are not as straight as they seem. American consular officials receive all kinds of kick backs from large travel agencies, so try applying for a visa thru them. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/26/2009 7:44:42 PM   Actually a Visitor's Visa can be received very quickly (assuming you will get it at all). When my Moldovan and I investigated applying for one at the American Embassy in Moldova we were told that she was to appear with a complete application and would receive an interview on the day set aside for conducting business with Moldovans (I think it was Wednesdays) and she would receive an answer by 4:30 that afternoon. Basd on everything we heard at the time the answer was likely to be "no" we understood - but we sould still receive an answer either positive or negative that afternoon. SO a Visitors Visa can be received very quickly. This is from an attorney's website: "One question I am asked regularly is "Why can't my fiancee just come using a tourist visa or on the visa waiver program and marry me?" The problem is that a main condition of both a tourist visa and the visa waiver program is your fiancee's sworn promise that they only plan to visit the U.S., not immigrate here. The Department of State ("DOS") and United States Citizenship and Immigration Services ("USCIS") assume that an intent to marry a U.S. citizen is the same as an intent to immigrate. If your fiancee enters the U.S. as a tourist, without disclosing that they are your fiancee and intend to marry you, they have committed visa fraud. If the USCIS later decides that this is the case, they could be removed (i.e., deported) and it will be almost impossible for them to come back, even though they are married to you. In theory, it is possible for someone to obtain a tourist visa for the express purpose of coming to the U.S. to marry. The problem is, to do this safely, they must disclose their intention when they apply for their tourist visa, and convince the consular interviewer that they truly intend to return to their home country after your marriage. For obvious reasons, this can be difficult to do, because the consulates know that the K1 fiancee visa is available as an alternative. Even if the tourist visa is given, there is also a possibility that your fiancee could be "turned back at the border" when they try to enter into the U.S. if the inspecting officer does not believe your fiancee really intends to return home after your wedding. Finally, if you use this option, your fiancee will have to return home after your wedding, and you will need to apply for a K3 spouse visa or other appropriate immigration visa for them to be able to return to the U.S. -- a process that is just as complicated and lengthy as obtaining a K1 fiancee visa in the first place." durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/26/2009 7:49:22 PM   Correction about the K-1 visa: marriage is required within 90 days. About marrying on a visitor visa, I have read elsewhere that the State Department takes a very dim view about this -- it is a big mistake. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/26/2009 7:49:26 PM   Furthermore - fi you are turned down for a Visitors Visa - this must be disclosed later when you might aplly for a Fiance Visa. There is a specific question onn the Fiance Visa application askign whether the foreigner has ever applied for a visa before, what kind of visa and what the results were. Everything is computerized now, so a red flag is likely to go up, whther you expressly admit it or not. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/26/2009 7:54:17 PM   MiniCooper - if the purpose of your trip really IS just as a Tourist - I wouldn't think it was necessary to admit that she is visiting her boyfriend. I wouldn't think you would need to be that specific - just as you wouldn't have to mention that the purpose was to visit your Aunt Martha. (Maybe its just me, but I don't believe in giving anymore information to the government than they NEED to have.) Its only if you actually marry, I would think, that you would have a probable problem. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/26/2009 10:33:00 PM   I have seen many visitors get married. Whatever your intentions are when you are a visitor, and whatever USCIS states as their grim view, they will not break up marriages. DrKoop Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/26/2009 10:44:09 PM   I read a story posted on an immigration forum in which a Russian woman came on a visitor visa, they got married, and so many years later, when her naturalization was pending, she got a letter from the CIS asking her to leave the country, with all status revoked. However, there is a 90-day intent period. That is, come in on visitor, wait 90 days and then get married without ever admitting you knew each other when she came in. If system was fair and square, there wouldn't be a need to do any of this, but face it, US is the only country in the world that even denies spouse visas. You meet 10 CIS' legal requirements (petition), then beneficiary meets 10 DOS' visa application requirements, and lastly, don't forget another 5 of consular official's personal undeclared requirements. Mini Cooper Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/26/2009 11:49:41 PM   Thanks everyone for the good feedback, it is appreciated! Many good points contributed from all. The whole intent is just to give her a chance to visit my home so she would feel more comfortable... if we pursue marriage. We have absolutely no intention of marrying while she is here on a K-2 visitor visa. I now become concerned if for some reason she was denied the visitor visa we would have to disclose that on any future (K-2 , K-3) visas. I have gone through the K-1 fiancée visa process (with my ex-Russian wife), so I have some familiarity with it. I don't think she would feel comfortable leaving her apartment (approx worth 80k USD), job (chief accountant 12 years large corporation) and family for a three month "chance" to marry me. I think she would feel more comfortable if we married in Ukraine and then I petitioned for a K-3 spouse visa. Does anyone know if the timeline to receive a K-3 spouse visa... is approximately the same as a K-1 fiancée visa? It took me 7 months (and 42 pages of documentation) from start to finish for my ex-Russian wife to receive her K-1 visa. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/26/2009 11:57:02 PM   A lot longer, probably a year to a year and a half. My brother did that. I read somewhere that this is a dual purpose, and for one reason or another, USCIS cannot or will not reconcile them easily. As an immigrant, you state that you intend to go back to your country. When you are married, you need an immigrant visa, but since you are married, you cannot state that you intend to go back. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/27/2009 3:43:55 AM   I didn't mean immigrant. I meant visitor. All new people into the US are visitors, not immigrants. They are granted immigrant status once they arrive. Harvey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/27/2009 7:49:15 AM   So if by chance I meet someone I would actually consider to take out of the country it could be two to three years?????? Is this more of a playground than a place to find someone for a serious long term thing? Cooper, you have done it and yet - for whatever reason - failed in you last endeavor. Was it a whim? Did you actually think you were getting married for good? Just need to know. Don't know why your ex is you ex. None of my business. Just wondering why you are back. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/27/2009 1:22:29 PM   A K-1 Visa takes about seven months, Julian. That is a fair question. Cooper, why is it that your marriage failed and why are you back? I ask so I can try to avoid the same mistakes. Thanks. Mini Cooper Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/27/2009 9:53:49 PM   Julian35 and Ragingbull, I married a Russian gal from Velikiy Novgorod. Ahhh... she looked like she was dancing when she walked, she would generate a lot of attention when we were out... anyway she got homesick for her "grown" children and family back in Russia and she left. She was honestly trying to let her children live their own lives as adults but her asshole son (20 yo) was too wild and made too many immature mistakes. She really loved me but when the puppy love wore off her “maternal instincts” were too great… she returned back to her children. Her son had got into some very, very big trouble on his own and she figured he needed her. I'm looking again but this time she has to have a child to bring with her so she doesn’t feel so isolated. I believe they need a part of home to bring with them, it increases the chances they will stay and stay happy. My advice … bring them over here along with something from home (child) or knock them up as soon as you can, they need an “anchor” something additional to hold them here after the puppy love and fascination of travelling to a foreign country wears off. Ragingbull… my new gal is from Zaporizhe. I’ll be travelling there in the next month or two, any suggestions on things to do there? I hear it is a fairly bleak old industrial city. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/27/2009 11:35:29 PM   Thanks for the info, Mini Cooper. I am glad to see that I at least I am going in the right direction in some instances. My gf has a 12 year old girl and we plan to have another. The mother of Tanya, the doctor from Zaporozhye told her to show me around the city. I told her I went to Zaporozhye to see Tanya, not the city. Seeing the sights while commuting was enough for me. I really didn't see much. The city is not unlike some cities in Mexico. There was a park near Tanya's work with statues and monuments of soldiers. I didn't see her work, she dropped me and her son there while she went to take care of something at work for an hour. There were some fountains without water, like Yalta and Kiev. I think there were museums there that I could have seen, but I didn't. One big attraction is the island of Cortitsa. Another girl told me that it is her favorite place. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Trying to bring my girlfriend to the USA on a Visitor (B-2)
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