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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Advice: Mariupol and General Author Post Simpleton Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/2/2010 11:51:30 PM   Hello. I'm going to be traveling to Mariupol in Sept. I've been reading these forums, and have found countless bits of wisdom scattered throughout, though often having to be dredged from the bickering. That being said, I'm hoping to gleam more from actual questions. Let me start by saying that I have corresponded with a woman through an internet agency that is not considered reputable. Regardless, initial correspondence seemed genuine at first, but I definitely have my doubts. I am approaching this as an adventure and an experience since I've been interested with FSU countries for quite some time. This will be my first trip to the Ukraine, and I am not heart set on meeting someone there, but would appreciate making some friends at the very least. About the particular woman I have plans to meet while I am there. I am flying into Donetsk, and she says that the interpreter will meet me at the airport, and wants to set up an apartment or hotel for me. When I asked what her opinion was (hotel vs. apartment), she didn't have one. From what I have read on here, dealing with "her" interpreter from the airport is probably a bad idea, as well as having her arrange the apartment/hotel. When we first started corresponding, her pictures were semi-glamor, but not over the top compared to many. Since then she has posted new pictures and much more professional. The site we "met" on is a pay by letter (yeah, I know, dumb), and doesn't allow exchange of personal information. So, I found her on another site (she is on a lot of other sites actually) that does allow exchange of personal information (though still considered a not-so-reputable site), but in the response back she failed to provide it even though she acknowledged she received mine. At one point she said that she figured the interpreter would probably be only for the "first few dates," though that was before things seemed to get a little goofy (or me noticing things getting goofy). Anyway, all of these are bad signs, but I'm not overly worried about it as long as I don't get hit with a cudgel and rolled. There have been other things as well, but I don't think you all really need any more. Oh, one more piece, I'm in my mid-30s, and she is in her mid-20's. Younger than I would typically consider, but I've dated women her age at home (US), so I don't think the age this is too huge. Mariupol Interpreter: I read a post somewhere on here where someone mentioned a good experience with an interpreter in Mariupol. I can't remember who though (nasfan6 and durak come to mind though, maybe muzzy?). I'd really like that interpreters contact info if that is acceptable. Interpreter 2: I read somewhere on here that it the interpreter should be her choice? Just want to verify that point if possible. Considering all I've read on here, a third party interpreter would probably be better for me, but I'd go by what is "acceptable" on this point. I have been learning some very basic Russian, and I have no illusion that I will not be able to figure out if I am being called as a**face. . . to my face. Housing: I am also looking for an apartment or hotel for while I am there. I have seen a couple of references to sites on here, but most of those posts were relatively old. Any additional references are appreciated. As a side note, and this ties in to the point below, I am hoping for something flexible, if possible, would be ideal since I'm not too optimistic about the woman in Mariupol. Backup plan: I am trying to figure out what to do for a backup plan. If things don't go well (i.e. no-show, or no interest after a few days, assuming she doesn't blow me off as soon as I tell her I will be getting a place independently, as well as travel from Donetsk to Mariupol), I don't think I'll want to stick around in Mariupol for the whole time. I have thought about contacting some other women just in case, but I'm not quite sure how to go about it. Is it a good idea to just say "Hey, I'm going to be in UA, and though I am going to meet an individual, would you be interested in meeting if things don't work out?" I don't know, that doesn't seem like the best plan in the world, but I also have no interest in being deceptive if there is the slightest chance of me not going to meet them. I know there are introduction services/agencies in the cities and those are options, but it seems trying to build a rapport with someone first is a better idea. As stated earlier, I would be more than happy to just make some friends while I'm there, but I'm not sure how many women would be interested in that. So, any suggestions on approaching women as "the backup"? I'm sure there is more, but this is a good start. Thanks in advance. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/3/2010 9:34:15 AM   Simpleton, Only part way through reading your post alarm bells start ringing, she is selling to you the agency meeting you at the airport, she is selling to you the agency organising your accommodation, she is selling to you an agency interpreter. Learn to use Google, search for Mariupol apertment, Donetsk to Mariupol transport cost, or similar, Mariupol interpreter etc. Get your prices and see how these compare against the prices she is quoting you. But ..... it sounds like she is an agency stooge, not interested in you in the slightest, this is a money making (scamming) exercise. bowhunter Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/3/2010 9:38:01 AM   unless one of the other members knows a place I would just google apartments and the city for a place to stay. an interpreter will be key to helping you get what or where you need to go. I would google the city for that also. write down local numbers of contacts and get a phone as soon as you land. have a local address ready for immigration, seems there getting picky about that for entry. for tips on what to expect and or have handy pm me for my website. good luck Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/3/2010 9:44:39 AM   Simpleton, Do you know, or find out, the name of the agency in Mariupol, run the name thru Google followed by the word 'scam', i.e. search for 'XYZ agency scam'. Batman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/3/2010 11:22:03 AM   Simpleton wrote: Interpreter 2: I read somewhere on here that it the interpreter should be her choice? Just want to verify that point if possible. Considering all I've read on here, a third party interpreter would probably be better for me, but I'd go by what is "acceptable" on this point. I have been learning some very basic Russian, and I have no illusion that I will not be able to figure out if I am being called as a**face. . . to my face. I disagree. I say the interpreter is MY choice especially since I'm the one paying. The interpreter works for me and I would have a conversation beforehand laying out the what my expectations were. Of course, I still could be called a**face and not know it but if I felt I had no rapport with the interpreter than I'd find another. BTW, we all refer to you as a**face all the time. ;-) durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/3/2010 12:28:57 PM   I have no specific info on Mariupol -- I keep going to Kyiv! But of course, the story about the particular woman is extremely suspicious. Definitely, make your own arrangements about apartment, etc. -- I've done this more than a dozen times, it mainly requires burning up a day or so online. If she objects to this, I would take that as proof that she is a gouger. As to Plan B, although I don't RECOMMEND this -- I often send messages (I DON'T use pay-per-letter) along the lines of "I'll be in your town, care to meet?" I've had many meetings this way, most of them pleasant enough. Also, I have gone to agency offices (two of them, both in Kyiv) and paid for individual introductions, also with nice results, one of them being really delightful. Theoretically, it would be kinda cool if there were two interpreters, or you could record all of the Russian dialog, for later translation. As I have already posted in the forum, my Russian friend who has worked as an interpreter tells me that girls with Very Bad Intentions were qute frank with her (in Russian) about their program ... but the men of course had no clue. Harvey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/3/2010 12:29:17 PM   it is simple really, there are sites where you can book your apartment almost anywhere. type in the city followed by 'apartments'. as for an interpreter, the interpreter works for you! and if she is not happy about it then she just isn't interested in you. you should be able to meet free of any outside influences. it takes a little planning but is easily done. and if a woman refuses to meet you based on that then don't waste your time with her. a true woman would (should) be impressed that you made all of your own arrangements and all she had to do was show up and be herself. if someone is willing to meet you on your own terms I'd say the chances she is real and interested goes way way up. Harvey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/3/2010 12:39:07 PM   http://www.travel2sevastopol.com/Apartments-in-Mariupol.html this is a start, there are others. you just have to ensure your security of payment (paypal) or something, however I did use a credit card to book an apartment in kiev and it was on the up and up. I also booked an apartment that I had to cancel. got full refund on deposit. just stay away from booking apartments through dating sites. you may also inquire about an interpreter or transportationfrom rental agencies as they also deal with business travelers. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/3/2010 2:42:28 PM   Ralph, Money is safe with travel2sevastopol, it's run by a Brit 'Chris' who was a regular on this forum. juengasa Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/3/2010 4:07:40 PM   Hi, i was in Mariupol two years ago. It's a good place, the people too, the airport www.maraero.com don't have flights now to kiev. Now you need flight to Donetsk and after by bus to Mariupol. Be careful in the restaurants or you will pay very much money. Be careful too with taxi, ask first the price. Very much hot in summer. Sorry my bad english. Enjoy in MPW. Bye, J. Muzzy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/3/2010 4:34:49 PM   impleton, (fantastic name, by the way! :)) AGENCIES & INTERPRETERS I think Nasfan and I will probably disagree on this one, but I actually had a good experience with the agency Canadros. I'd say maybe half of the Mariupol profiles on here are theirs. They have a bad rep in some quarters, and although they weren't perfect, they were as close as I've known an agency to be ("honesty" and "money making business" often seem mutually exclusive in FSU - don't expect too much of it, and you'll never be disappointed). The only two bad references I could find regarding them online were one from Nasfan on here (saying how his then-gf had to run 'interference'), and one bad report on Jimslists (which proves nothing except they didn't pay him to talk nicely about them). Anyway, my theory is generally that, as long as the agency is acting fairly, then I don't mind using their services where it's convenient for me. I.e, if the taxi/apartment/interpreter is way overpriced, then I make alternative arrangements or avoid completely. They're a business, there to make money. As long as it's fair, I don't mind giving them money - Dogs will do anything if you're waving a bone at them :) In the case of my first Mariupol trip, I looked up apartments with and without them, and found that they were actually competitive - at least as cheap as independent booking, if not cheaper. In fact, after I'd returned home, I started to book my next trip. Determined to bring the cost down, I googled apartments and found the same one I'd been staying with through the agency - the exact apartment, but through a non-agency booking company. It was $10 per day more expensive than I'd paid through the agency! The translator I used was Lena from Canadros. She was really professional, as described in other posts, and actively encouraged my date to try speaking to me directly. So that this doesn't come across like an advert for them, however, a few other things: *They were late getting me my taxi to take me back to the airport - nearly made me late for the flight. They were very apologetic, but I wasn't best pleased *When things had fallen through with my date, they arranged for another introduction to a girl I'd chosen off their database. A completely different girl turned up (who I had no interest in). I pointed out their error the next day, and they weren't bothered at all. The managers only response was "yes but this girl called us to say she's interested in another date with you" - ?? Having said this, because they felt bad that things hadn't gone well with my first date (which wasn't really their fault, but I could see why they'd consider it was), they offered free introductions to anyone to try to 'put things right' (if only they'd then introduced me to who I'd chosen) On his honeymoon night, a guy took off his pants and threw them at his wife "when you're wearing them, you can make the decisions" His wife took off her panties, threw them at him and said "when you no longer want to get into those, you can make the decisions" - as long as she's real and not a scammer, the interpreter is her decision. CITY & ACCOMODATION Mariupol's one of those 'bum end of the universe' kind of cities. Most employment is in the steel mills, which made two thirds of staff redundant overnight. This means the water's undrinkable with steel plant poisoning (you can brush teeth & wash in it, but don't drink it), and there's a lot of unemployment. It's geograpically pretty big, but there's not that much there, so things are very 'spread out' among a generally centralised-ish layout. Lots of walking or lots of taxi's - your choice (street layout: five shops, statue of Lenin, pointlessly big square, bunch of apartment blocks, a few more shops). Try to get accommodation as close to the centre as possible. I've never stayed there, but the Spartak hotel doesn't look too bad, is right in the 'downtown' area, and is comparable to apartments for prices. While I've done a mixture of self-travel and agency-travel, I'd say at least give some thought to a bit of agency help. If you don't know where you're going, getting about Mariupol's not straighforward. Until you learn a bit of conversational Russian - at least enough to call a taxi, give an address and understand the price - I'd get some support which, usually, comes from the agency. Kiev, Sumy, Nikolaev - these cities I'd go to on my own and find my way about, but Mariupol's size and layout would put me off doing this. BACKUPS I've never done the "I'll be in your area - maybe we'll meet up" thing. So many of these girls get so many promises from guys, that end in disappointment, with 'maybe' guys not turning up. Be a gentleman, don't contribute to their dashed hopes. Like Durak, I've had plenty of success just turning up on an agencies doorstep and looking through their database. They're happy with this, and the girls are always super-excited and a little nervous to meet some mysterious foreign gentleman from out of the blue. Usually, they can get an introduction the same day - often within just a few hours. In many cases, the girls don't read too much into letters, and ask you lots of the same questions when you arrive. I guess this is because they just get so many letters from guys who, in all likelihood, will write then disappear. A guy who got thrown off here long ago once said something that stuck with me: "When you meet, the clock starts over". Quite true. Don't worry too much if you've not written to a girl before meeting her. For her, it makes little difference. All bets are off, and everything's to play for :) Get backups for EVERYTHING. Not just the agency or girls, but taxi's and accommodation. It's easy to find both on google. Get phone numbers for a backup of everything, and print two copies (put in separate sui durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/3/2010 6:00:58 PM   A note about "last-minute hello" messages -- POSSIBLY this can be an advantage, with women who have been burned by men who write lots of letters and never show up. When I write, "I'll be in your town starting Tuesday," or "I'm in town until Sunday," they can see the possibility of a real 3-D meeting, WITHOUT investing dozens of hours laboriously corresponding in what for them is a foreign language. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/3/2010 6:04:20 PM   And it can also portray one, in their eyes, as a 'sex tourist'! Batman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/3/2010 6:17:42 PM   Great post Muzzy. The end was truncated though. How much was left? Simpleton Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/4/2010 2:07:32 AM   Durak, that was one thing I was going to ask (I remember you saying that about bad intention girls being direct to the translator). How does one ask that question of the translator. Being very blunt is easy, but I have had a hard time coming up with a tactful way to ask that question. It is one I plan to ask. Muzzy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/4/2010 3:29:09 AM   Cheers batman :) oh don't you just LOVE this forum? I don't think there was much left. For those left guessing, the 'half-word' was "suitcases" :) Martin, I suppose some can see you as a sex tourist, but those wouldn't be prepared to meet you. Those that do, well the first impression is yours to make, isn't it? Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/4/2010 3:37:20 AM   Muzzy, Yes it is but, as you indicate, there will be quite a number not interested for the reason already mentioned. Muzzy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/4/2010 6:48:35 AM   I'm sure there are, but I haven't noticed a difference myself. I get about the same response ratio 'on the doorstep' as I do with letter writing durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/4/2010 3:28:04 PM   @Simpleton: I've never communicated through a paid interpreter myself. But my friend who told me about the "confessions" she has heard, told me that she didn't feel it was her place to volunteer this information to the foreign men: but if they had asked her, she would have told. They never asked! I suppose I would look for an opportunity to have a couple of minutes alone with the interpreter, and ask her what she thinks about the lady's intentions. durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/4/2010 3:36:46 PM   About the possibility of bad impressions... I think it likely that some women will read "hello I'm in your town" as an invitation from a sex tourist. Most women just don't reply, so I can only guess for what reasons. But I once got a furious flame-mail from a Moscow beauty who assumed that I had come to Moscow to meet some other woman, and then contacted her. In reality, of my many trips to the Russia and Ukraine, only one was for the express purpose of making a first meeting. For me, the bottom line is that I can't control this "reading into" process. It will depend a lot on her personal history. Some of the women I met have complained really bitterly about the foreign men who write letters but never show up, and the huge investment of time they put into correspondence. I suppose a woman who has had such experiences may welcome a chance to make a meeting without lengthy preliminaries. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Advice: Mariupol and General
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