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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > PEOPLE THAT GET SCAMMED ARE STUPID Author Post TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/24/2015 9:18:17 AM   I've just been reading this scam site scammers.ru/latest_add.htm And the common thread is guys sending money on the visa / ticket scam. I think that is just because they are basically lazy and don't want to have to travel to the lady's country. They just want to send money and she will magically come. Scammers prey on this. dcguy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/24/2015 7:26:53 PM   Travelling overseas is not always a "good experience" for every traveler (food, language, customs, accommodations, transportation, currency exchange rates, sanitation, crime, etc.). Also very time consuming. Having someone to meet you on your "home turf" is far more preferable anyway unless you are the one planning to move overseas. So, excluding the scam scenario, men would want to pursue this avenue. Much better than to go gallivanting around to meet scores of women in all corners of the world and end up using all of your vacation time for the year. But then again, the only people who should be dating overseas people are people who are retired or deal extensively in overseas business, right? dcguy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/25/2015 3:09:39 AM   Also, forgot to mention people who won the lotto or are "born with a silver spoon". TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/25/2015 3:32:31 AM   "Having someone to meet you on your "home turf" is far more preferable" dcguy - what if you have never met this person before (in person)? She could be an axe murderer or someone mentally unstable. (or turn it around. You could be an axe murderer or mentally unstable.) Not to mention all the scam scenarios associated with this but do you really think it's a good idea to bring someone you've never met before or don't know very well to your "home turf"? Even if the girl is legit your US consulate is unlikely to issue her a visitor's visa. It's always preferable to meet her on her territory first. A girl who is legit will rarely go to the man. The gentleman always goes to the lady and not vice-versa. TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/25/2015 4:17:48 AM   dcguy - do share your experiences on this. Have you ever brought a lady from overseas to you there in the US? You are expected to pick up all costs right? Visa, airline ticket, etc. Has she ever come? Have you ever been scammed under this scenario? If she does come does she stay with you or does she expect you to put her up in a hotel? Has the relationship ever developed? Are you speaking from experience or are you just contemplating this idea for yourself? Anyone else here ever brought a lady to your country without meeting her first in hers? ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/25/2015 6:54:57 PM   There are two kinds of people in this forum: ones who know and and ones who don't. If the ones who know assume and call the ones who don't know, "stupid", then the stupid will not listen and they will not learn from those who know. They will have to find out for themselves. dcguy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/25/2015 9:02:04 PM   TomZ The same can apply to people who meet online locally and meet strangers in the local area. There are tons of "odd" people in my city area. What I am saying is that if both parties are actually genuine and not have some kind of nefarious purpose, that option would also be a viable one. But, of course obtaining a visitor visa is not easy. The same type of dangers can also apply for the male traveller to her country. Yes, it is true that it is the male who will pursue the lady and go to her location. Then does that mean USA women cannot go to meet foreign men and they must come here (and it would be hard to get a visa for them too)? No, I have brought a lady from overseas to the US (for dating purposes). I am referring to ladies who would be willing to travel for a brief time period with no strings attached. However, given the fact that the majority of dating profiles are either fakes or genuine people with an ulterior motive, inviting them to visit here is a risky proposition. I have been introduced to foreign women when I visited overseas. I also have had a few foreign women who had the income (along with other reasons) to visit the US and I met them here. But in nearly all of those situations, the lady was introduced by someone who was known by someone who I was familiar with. A lot of the scams involve the "damsel in distress" scenario. Similar type of scams that involve social engineering. TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/26/2015 3:49:49 AM   dcguy – you’ve answered very few of my questions. Let me try this again. Have you ever personally brought a lady from overseas to the US for the purpose of dating? I am not talking about a lady who would be visiting the US anyway on business or for tourism purposes. I am talking about a lady going specifically to you and you undergoing all the financial responsibility this entails - a visitors visa, airline tickets, transportation, accommodation, miscellaneous expenses, etc. etc. etc. Have you ever done this? Have you ever sponsored a lady to come to your country, to come to you for the purposes of getting to know each other better and has the relationship ever developed. How can I make myself more clear? Have you personally dcguy ever done this? And again I am not talking about a lady who would be visiting the US anyway and you are sort of a side trip. And the question is not only for dcguy but for others in here. I'll ask again. Have you ever personally brought a lady to your country without meeting her first in hers? TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/26/2015 6:24:12 AM   Perhaps I should have made the title of the thread "PEOPLE THAT GET SCAMMED ARE INCREDIBLY NAÏVE AND GULLIBLE". If you read those scam reports people are sending in some case thousands expecting their 'bride' to come. In most cases scam victims don't consult with friends or family before sending money. They keep it as their little secret. Certainly if they had consulted with someone they would be warned that it's a scam. I think they are blinded by love, lust or a combination of both. They fall in love with a pic and this person in the pic can be theirs if they only send money. Tom Shea Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/26/2015 9:36:39 AM   Ragingbull There are two kinds of people in this forum: ones who know and and ones who don't. If the ones who know assume and call the ones who don't know, "stupid", then the stupid will not listen and they will not learn from those who know. They will have to find out for themselves. This is correct. Every single person here had been scammed for a few dollars if they ever got on a plane and went over. Thinking you are superior and should belittle people because you got scammed for $17.00 less than they they did is kind of weak. Others might think anyone who went over and didn't find a wife doesn't get it or taking a decade to find the right woman shows naivete. Rick4girl Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/26/2015 11:16:14 AM   I used one of my 2 K1 chances in 2010/11 to bring a lady and her son. I paid for everything but in the end she decided she couldnt stay and wanted me to come back to Ukraine with her to Marry. I could not do it at the time because of my kids. However, I had met her first and spent several months with her in ukraine. NEVER would I send money to someone Ive never met and spent time with for such a purpose its ALWAYS a scam! Most of the girls I meet in Ukraine have only a statistically small chance of being "forever". No different than anywhere else, including one's home country dcguy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/26/2015 8:39:08 PM   TomZ I had a typo on my previous post. I omitted one word that may have caused some confusion. "No, I have NOT brought a lady from overseas to the US (for dating purposes)." The ladies from overseas who met me here came for other reasons besides meeting me. In those situations, it was not a "complete stranger". As I said, that person was known by someone else who knew someone that I knew. So, someone is held accountable for the "veracity" of the visiting individual. This is what is seriously missing with dating complete strangers (even more so for those living overseas). The dating agency certainly is NOT going to held accountable even though many people who were tricked are going to lay the blame on them. "She took all of my money and disappeared". You are asking if I have sponsored someone for a visitor visa to this country? No, I have not and will not UNLESS I can locate someone who will be held accountable. dcguy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/26/2015 8:44:40 PM   "I think they are blinded by love, lust or a combination of both. They fall in love with a pic and this person in the pic can be theirs if they only send money." Isn't this the same mentality when you go to a strip club or pick someone up at the street corner? Some people think that many foreign people are ready to leave their "comfort zone" just to meet a total stranger. There are only a tiny number of people on this planet who are as adventerous as that. I think some of these people hear the stories of people (like underage online teens) who go out of town to meet other online acquaintances and think that it is just as easy for a foreign person to do the same thing. kaiserdag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/27/2015 4:20:19 AM   "Some people think that many foreign people are ready to leave their "comfort zone" just to meet a total stranger. There are only a tiny number of people on this planet who are as adventerous as that." DC ... People that are stuck/ trap in "the conform zone" don't get anywhere. They sit in front of screen and type and type .... Keyboard Romeo. I think a lady that don't get out the conform zone maybe a fake.. . When boy meets girl is play time ... Boys play hard to man up, but if a girl man handle you is game over ....you start crying ... She is scammer, pro-dater , etc ... I was scammed in Budapest with a buddy of mine while staying over night ... The old club scam ... But within a few minutes we figured it out and calmly got control of the situation. poppy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/27/2015 7:35:44 AM   a mate of mine got date raped in moscow ..... is that a scam ? TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/27/2015 10:06:19 AM   kd - what happened in the club? moyarishka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/27/2015 2:16:37 PM   if you want to find yourself a wife abroad - you'll have to come to her country and you'll have to deal with travelling cos she will want to go to her home-town at least once in a year to see her friends and family and you'll have to go with her, otherwise you're just a jerk. kaiserdag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/27/2015 4:49:36 PM   So a buddy and I went on a short Europe Trip. To make it short, two girls in their mid twenties with good English skills talked us into checking out a very good club. Once inside it was barely empty but it was early in the night. We got a round of drinks, things look normal except the price tag and the club was empty. So we bail out but chicks went to find anothe pair of victims. The night was not over till we found a night club. So we ask a taxi driver who took there. He drove us for 5 minutes, cost $5. Once we exit the club, we figure out that we were within 5 minutes of walking distance. I had been in many European corners, but don't recall being shafted other than in Budapest dcguy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/27/2015 9:00:34 PM   kaiserdag Yes, that is also true. As the saying goes, "nothing ventured, nothing gained". Same reasoning with buying a lotto ticket. Nearly 100% certainty that you are going to lose every time you buy. As the jingle goes, "you gotta play to win". Both scammers (fakes) and genuine people may not risk a direct meeting. Not everyone are extroverts and risk takers. When you have two people with different underlying objectives and goals meet, the result can be very good or very bad depending on one's viewpoint. Dating can be a pleasant or disappointing experience. In the vast majority of the cases, it is the latter. In a recent news report, a local guy slept with a couple of women who he met at a bar near where I live. One of his "pickups" found information in his wallet that he left behind that he was taking an AIDS/HIV medication. He was charged with potentially passing on his infection to others. Another lady that he picked up at the same place later came up to testify against him. In this case, I guess the dating was both a pleasant and later unpleasant experience. Are you referring to staying overnight at a hotel bar during a flight connection? dcguy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/28/2015 2:06:24 AM   kaiserdag I got it. People look for "easy marks" to take advantage of. A cousin of mine travelled to Europe and was immediately targeted by the locals (pickpockets). Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > PEOPLE THAT GET SCAMMED ARE STUPID
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