this questions are for you, seasoned veterans of the FCS 'female chase'.
doesn't it make sense to expect more direct contact after 4 letters through the agency mail?
This cute girl from Lugansk wrote me 4 times, got me very interested but, refused my request to call her directly or to e-mail outside the agency so we could share other photos of us.
The way I see it, when a woman is interested in my letters, bio and photos in it, it makes perfect sense to share private contact information to develop the early stages of a relationship.
I know it costs an arm and a leg for them to have private e-mail in some cases, but are phones that scarce, too?
Please, seasoned vets, enlighten me if you think I need to be...:)
Does this site have a scammers list? how do I get to it?
Thank you
Unfortunately Lugansk has a reputation for scammers, maybe their are some sincere women there, but the agencies are known in some cases to be influenced by the local mafia.
Its all just business, even if you wite and never visit, it creates a nice steady income for people involved, I haven't actually visited the city but what I've heard from others is that its grim to say the least.
Its not surprising when viewing the ladies from there that they are among some of the most beautiful but its all just a hook.
If you are new to this my best advice is avoid Lugansk completely, I have visited Ukraine twice, and my second peice of advice would be to avoid Ukraine in total.
I visited Russia and Uzbekistan, after meeting ladies in these countries I realized what a mistake going to Ukraine first.
In the beginning I got seduced by the attractive photos, but realised pretty quick ' all that glitters isn't gold'
I'm sure you can find success stories of people finding a match in Ukraine, but maybe wait and see if they get married and how long it lasts, I've visited many countries all over the world including in the third world, but for me Ukraine is the world's armpit, its poor but not all the ladies have the need to be 'rescued' they are just making money the easiest way available, not ALL, but there are quite a few.
Paul:
Just what do you base your conclusions about Ukraine on???
Having been there twice as you say, that hardly counts as extensive experience of a country!!
I agree that there are scammers in Lugansk,but the same can be said for just about any city in the FSU not just Ukraine.
It;s just as easy to get scammed in Russia,Uzbekistan,or anywhere else you choose to name,you want success stories?.........read through the forum!!!
As far as I am aware this site doesn't have a scam list, but this one does :o)
http://www.scamalert.freeservers.com/
And as regards her not giving you her phone number or address at home, that makes me Very suspicious, especially as she is in the scam capital of the east Lugansk !!!
I have been there Paul, and it is Very Grim !!! Seconded only in my eyes by Hull in the UK, also a grim place !! But like Glad I cant agree with your blanket trashing of Ukraine, there are some very lovely and sincere women there, and Glad is about to marry one of them so take it easy with the Ukraine bashing mate :o))
I have many good and decent friends in Lugansk ( I also know 2 very nasty scammers in person too ) , so if you want the lady verifying I can very likely do that for you GLT, but unless you can get her number or address there is no hope, and if it isn't forthcoming my sincere and truthful suggestion would be "Find another woman" and I'm sure almost all the vet's will agree with me !!
And Especially because she claims to be in Lugansk !!!
Paul, just a quick question, who and where in Uzbekistan mate ?
I was married to a girl from there, and have spent about 2 months of last year there, in Tashkent, Samarkand and Bukhara. With a brief stay in the Kazak mountains near Chervak where the dam is that they found explosives planted near last week or the week before !!!
Glad:
Here here mate, as you know I got taken by an Uzbekistan Russian, and she actually married me and came here for 3 months, its just as iffy no matter what city or country you pick !!!
GladUK
I hear what you are saying, I was looking for 2 years, been married for one year, during that time I have frequented several forums, the consensus of the majority of people is that Lugansk has very high level of scams, certainly when you compare it to say Moscow which is a much larger city.
If you check the scam sites they are heavily populated with ' Lugansk ' also in 3 years on the forums I cannot remember a 'recommended' agency in Lugansk, maybe someone here can recommend some for GLT.
As far as going there without an agency I would presume is less riskier option, but if one cannot achieve corresponence with the lady outside of the agency its difficult.
I went to Ukraine twice, both times I saw very corrupt practices in the agencies, my second visit I was actually on a WOVO trip to date a young lady that had been employed as an interpreter at one of the agencies, some of the things she told me were scary to say the least, certainly in regard to the level of Green Card Girls using the agency. As far as somebody going without using an agency has much higher chance of success, I think if I had gone that way maybe things could have been diffent, but all four agencies I used, were less than legit, the clever thing is if they milk you and you still want to go back for more.
I visited Russia once and Uzbekistan where I met my wife and I can only say that proportionally the women were alot less cunning and devious there.
Personally I feel both trips I made to Ukraine were a complete and total waste of time and money, I learnt the hard and expensive way, others can listen to the advice for what its worth or not, but if I can help somebody not make the same mistake I made, its better for them.
Before I did my first trip, I met an older Ukraining lady that lives near me, when I told her I was going to Ukraine, she said to me " the Ukrainian girls are the best actresses in the world" I thought yeah right!!! I never realised she was serious.
I can recommend you a very good agency in Lugansk !!!
Alina`s Friends club
(URL On another thread, I cant be arsed to look for it :o)) )
Belongs to a very dear friend of mine, Alina Kamenskaya, and she wont stand for any girl on her books scamming anyone !!!
"Uzbekistan where I met my wife and I can only say that proportionally the women were a lot less cunning and devious there."
Says You !! Mine was a sneaky lying sack of ..... she f*cked me over good and proper and is expecting another mans baby in June, we didn't split until the end of Aug beginning of Sept last year and she is from Tashkent, where thankfully she is now residing again, but she hasn't stopped trying to cheat me even to this day !! That little episode, from finding her to the end of the divorce (which in Uzbekistan takes 7 days start to finish !!) cost me in excess of $25,000 and was almost exactly one year of my life totally wasted !! I wont ever go to Uzbekistan again, and its a real shame because I loved the place !!
Many many women can be ruthless, lying and devious, we just have to wade through the sh*t to find the gold !!
Every woman in the world can act !! You dont really think they always have an orgasm do you ? ;o))
NB:
She went back for a holiday to visit her family (Aug 10th, 2003) and didn't come back, dear Tim letter the morning she was supposed to fly back, I flew there Sept 8th and tried to sort things out, she promissed me she would come home in a week or two, stupid me believed her and flew back to run my business, got her a card for her phone $150 so that we could talk on the phone any time we wanted, and sent her about $500 over the next few weeks, still she didn't return, went back at the end of Oct, to have one last go and discovered she was pregnant !!! It transpires that she got pregnant within 4 days of my return in from going there in Sept !!! (No it Is Not mine, we havn't slept together since Aug 10th 2003 !!)
It also turns out that she used the 2 weeks holiday between going and not coming back to resume a relationship with her X boyfriend whom I suspect she never actually finished with !! And during this time she was sweetness and light and I sent her even more money during that time too !! (We were married, my wife wouldn't scam me !! Would she ? ), I was told by other people there that she had had this boyfriend for years on and off and the plan was that I was supposed to send her family money so that she could support him and his mother !! She walked straight off the plane and into his bed !! Last point She is 27 this boyfriend hasn't a pot to p*ss in and is 20 years old !!!
So please don't tell me Uzbekistan Russian women are a better bet !!!
Boy !! Was I suckered !!
Good one Tim, sounds like you have had some interesting experiences in Uzbekistan!
Yes my lady is also Russian, originally from Namangan, funny enough I told her I was pretty broke, she told me the same as they do!!
But turns out we both understated our position, turned out her father was in a senior position in the government, compared to me , stinking rich by Uzzy standards, so she didn't marry for the money thats pretty certain.
I've spent 3 months there with her and we are a year in the UK, can't see any red flags yet, but I suppose the years will tell.
I agree that they have a different approach to fidelity there, seems like they test drive the new bf or gf before ditching the current, which for us is little difficult to understand.
Where money is concerned it was almost embarassing each time I went because I got free use of apartment and they never wanted me to spend any money, they got more than I have for sure, but I didn't meet her thru an agency, we met thru friends on ICQ.
She was an ex pro tennis player and my brother is a tennis coach so from this we just got talking and things developed from there.
Mine wouldnt let me spend money either mate, until we were married, then things changed very quickly !!!!
Tried to talk me into lending a friend there $1000 to buy a car and all sorts of stuff !!
Im well off without her, and I am fine now, rebuilding my heart and my future with a lovely lady from Omck :o)) Will be with her in under 2 weeks :o))
PAULM: "I met an older Ukraining lady that lives near me, when .."
Hmmm, Ukraining.... Is that like molting? Sounds like another reason to stay away.. hehehe.
You mentioned you've been together for a year with your current wife, how do you feel about the possibility of 'red flags' now that you have what you were looking for?
I've read about the sordid activities, but how do you feel knowing the possibility is still there? I've never been married so this question could probably be best served out my ass, I mean even if you married a girl down the street no one ever knows. I guess what I'm asking is, how often do you think about the 'possibility' and how do you feel about it?
I won't be offended if you tell me to blow it out my @ss either. Spend the better part of my day in the bathroom, I assure you it won't be an inconvenience.
So far has been good, she likes living in UK, in a year she has passed her driving test, got qualified as an aerobics instructor, she now runs her own classes part time, she coaches kids tennis at the weekends,she has booked herself to run the London marathon, so she has found things to occupy herself.
The downside is she can't cook, I know that might sound chauvanist, but hardly can boil an egg, ready meals has made it worse, I tend to do the cooking at weekends and manage on snacks or take aways during the week, I try to teach her but somehow its not working, don't get me wrong she is great around the house, keeps it clean, does the garden , washes the car even, but not cooking.
I guess its because she grew up waited on hand and foot by her mother, I am a good cook I suppose, she keeps telling me this, but it's the one thing that doesn't fit so good for me, but I figure being a little patient.
I didn't get red flags maybe because she is busy and likes it, she doesn't want to go back for visit as yet, but her parents will visit us this summer, hope thats not a red flag!!
Well if you dont have to "do the garden, wash the car, or clean the house " Paul, then you have lots and lots of time to help her by doing the cooking :o))
Sounds like you have a good wife, who just cant get her head around cooking, its not a genetic thing you know :o))
I would be happy to cook for any woman who did my home, laundry, washed my car and looked after the garden !!
I can cook and enjoy it so it wouldnt sit bad with me :o)
"sounds like you have had some interesting experiences in Uzbekistan!"
No Paul, I have had soem Very Bad experiences in Uzbekistan !! But if my bad luck can help even one person avoid the same problems then thats a good thing !!
I'm writing a really cute 21 year old girl in Lugansk who lives with her parents and picks up her email at an internet cafe. She just graduated from the university and is all over me to come for a visit or for her to come visit me. She wants to marry me and we haven't even talked on the phone yet. She says that her family doesn't have a phone. Is this unusual, not having a phone? She's sending me pictures in the mail with her family and has given me her home address. She says that she would like to talk with me by phone, but we must wait to use her girlfriend's cell when she comes back from her vacation. Should I believe this stuff? How easy is it to get a phone in Lugansk? She seems to be sincere and answers all my questions.
Any help gents I'd greatly appreciate it.
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