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Author Post deephouse Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/25/2004 10:05:42 AM   haveing checked with new zealand (best rugby players in the world ) imigration i have found that i can invite a girl from FSU and sponsor her visit -sponsership meaning she does not need a large amount of cash to come here as long as i provide lodgeings .i intend to also pre-pay a return ticket in her name, for someone i have been writeing too for a while, as i dought she has the money to pay for a ticket herself . has anyone considered this option and what could the potential hazards be ,the obvious would be she arrives and we dont get on i cant think of any others if it all turned pear shaped the worst would be i lose the ticket deposit ,and visa entry fee . i am sure i have missed something come on guys someone must have done this exersise ? leaveing my bussiness at this stage to travel is just not an option . Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/25/2004 11:51:08 AM   Yeah, can work. But do not transfer/give her a cent, her visa is her business - but maybe that you also can pay/transfer direct to the ambassy/consulate, inform yourself. I.E. you pay for all: visa, ticket & lodging, and all non-redeemable funds for her. What you might have forgotten is her having to prove that she can survive during her stay, and this upon landing in NZ. Check on this, she might need cash - which she will not have by the sounds of it, and which you also will not give to her. You better do your homework, but in the end you'll be entirely responsible for her during her stay no doubt, dunno if I'd want that. But Weasle, this has been tried & done, hardly a new thing but just a reinvention of the wheel. Hope for you it'll turn. Your alternative for what you consider not an option (you going to her) others will consider not being an option at all, me being one of them. You'll know nothing about her if she comes to you. Yeah, sure, you 'know' what you believe of what she tells you/has told you, but you'll be lacking even a hint of confirmation, your own 'impressions' included. Her social status/environment, her behaviour in/on her own turf, how other locals see/treat/regard her, her work & environment, her family and their home(s), of all this you haven't got a simple clue other than what you think, based only (and only!) on what she told you i.e. how you have interpreted that. Even been in Russia? If not you're going to be in for loadsa surprises. But by all means be my guest, or in your case: be your own guest. Keep in mind that trying to be smart may not be so clever. ron Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/25/2004 2:56:23 PM   Dono New-zealand law, but beiing responsable for her means also medical insurance, so get her insured. Again dono New-zealand law, but when the state seems fit to make cost for her (if you want them to or not) there might be a clause in the guarantee making you pay for it. Dale E Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/25/2004 3:10:15 PM   I agree with TD and Ron. I think a more clever plan would be figuring out how to get away from work for a week. It might save you some money in the long run. Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/25/2004 3:59:47 PM   "It might save you some money in the long run" If it was only money you'd risk I'd never have posted. What's the visit for eh? Dale E Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/25/2004 4:40:55 PM   Right again TD, Didn't mean to make it a money issue but I guess it looks that way. GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/25/2004 8:09:24 PM   Deep, Asking any woman from any country to come to you without her AND her family having ever met you is one of the lowest form of disrespect you could ever dish out to her and her family. That alone should tell you something about the piss poor quality of the character of the woman who is desperate, corrupted or unescrupulous enough to do it. That you consider this 'option' seriously tells me all I need to know about YOUR character. You redefine the word AMOEBA = No backbone, no direction. toad deephouse Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/26/2004 3:21:00 AM   Okay I see a picture forming here her trip over here would be so that two people actually get to meet, as I have said business at present prevents me from travelling. This comes at a bad time as the time being right for us to meet is now, holidays, money and the guts to meet playing no small part. I think between a decent amount of letters and photos(verified) phone calls, addresses etc you can get a reasonable idea of who you are talking to. Given this is not foolproof and certainly doesn't take into account chemistry and body language meeting by any means is better than continuous letters photos........ etc . I just thought I would post this because until four weeks ago I believed what I had read and that was : the best option was going to the FSU. I have already travelled, and I would like to see ,my girl's face and smile when she steps off the plane. And as we have discussed my country is where we would live, so it just seems to make sense that she visits here to see if she likes me and her possible new home and family. I am aware of the medical insurance it's peanuts for the length of time she will be here I am definitely aware as my immigration made me very aware that when you sponsor someone you vouch for them. I know that she only needs 400 New Zealand dollars because of the sponsorship. Which she has . TD, it's a lot of money and time........ For anything else !!!! : ) idiotdetector Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/26/2004 5:40:17 AM   Hi deep, your not to far from me and I think Australian law is similar. Just one thing, this is not a quick decission to make, and if you do not have the time now, whem will you have the time because you should be prepared to meet her several time even if you first meeting goes well. My advice, make the time for what is important in life. This applies to all things. Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/26/2004 2:23:56 PM   DH, I didn't say you shouldn't, I only said I wouldn't. But ID's got a point there, unless you're the playing kind of course. You don't sound it though, you only sound like all those who, for whatever reason, valid or not, try to get her to them - insecure, afraid or having stage-fright, a thing you yourself also hint at. Holiday-time, damn risky if you ask me. Yeah, sure, fun galore, but then the mood also changes, and anything goes a lot easier. DH, you don't expect me to regret not having married every holiday-love do you? But as said, by all means try, there's a large portion of luck involved in any case. Good Luck. GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/26/2004 5:45:48 PM   If you do not have the ability to get away from work to travel to another country to meet the potential 'woman of your dreams' what in the world makes you think you will be able to pay attention to her if she comes to you, instead? or is your boss going to give you time off from work as long as you do not leave the country? or is your woman going to have to wait for you to come back from work on a daily basis to get to know each other? or is your best guy friend (yes, the unemployed one) going to entertain her while you are working hard at that job you cannot get away from? The more I read this posts the more caca I smell coming out DH words. toad PaulM Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/26/2004 7:42:21 PM   Deep The best way of getting to know her is in her enviroment with her family and friends, she is going to feel pretty much out of her shoes unless she is a seasoned traveller, which is unlikely. She is going to be pretty 'star struck' being in a foreign country, what are you going to learn? sure NZ is better than where she comes from, but you're looking to get married, this is long term business here. I think you have a choice in life here, if work or business is more important, you're pretty poor marriage material, you're better off taking a rain check if you can't go now, sort the work situation out and go there, it may not be what you want to hear, but one day you'll realise it's true. deephouse Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/26/2004 11:38:49 PM   Hello all it's taken nine years for me to build this business from scratch, and from the last vacation I took overseas I came home to mayhem the fact is and I'm sure that those among you who own their own businesses will understand I have not yet found a manager who can do the job I can do, my business is client relations related and the trust that I have with them is hard to duplicate. My business is what allows me the freedom and means to support a family or even entertain the idea. So jeopardising my income and hard work which my new family will surely need does not make sense. I think the question of who meets who in what country first is immaterial. Surely one set of relations will be left out the first time round two people meet. My parents and friends would be very disappointed if I was too meet and marry someone overseas so that argument goes both ways. Making time for my lady if and when we meet will not be a problem as I work from home mainly and generally only a 20 hour a week and during her visit I would devote 100% of my time to her and getting to know her even better. I just need to be here and able to check on contractors and liaise with my clients and their architects. And I'm sure she won't mind the odd sumptuous liquid lunch. My business Aluminium Rep designs and manufactures aluminium and glass forecourts and entrances. Talltales - I have noticed your comments proliferate this forum and have read a few, and the caca you smell is surely because you have your head so far up your arse . Did your mother, if you knew her, not ever tell you- " if you can not say something nice, keep your mouth shut " idiotdetector Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/27/2004 5:22:05 AM   Sure deep I understand what you are saying about your business. Sure you can spend time at home and that all sounds swell, but families take vacations, she may want you to meet her parents so they know who there baby is shipping of to live with. I make no judgement about who meets who although I would never do what you are doing. I made a comment about your life in general, spending time doing what makes you happy. Are you sure that it is not that you cannot find a good manager and maybe the fact that you simply cannot bring yourself to trust anyone with your baby. People ask me all the time why I do not work for myself and you have answered that deep. I fear getting myself into your situation. A family needs time when they need it, not when you can give and although you will spend a lot of time at home you cannot fully tear yourself away from it. I am not trying to critisis you deep so please do not misunderstand me O.K. GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/27/2004 12:09:32 PM   Deep, Seriously now, have you ever been married? What ID said is right on the money. Families need to take vacations....together! Getting away from the daily grind of feeding the 'biz monster' that pays the bills is a need, more than a privilege. Everyone needs to charge his batteries once in a while. It's like the tiny, scrawny lumberjack that entered the 'All Day Long Tree Cutting' contest against other giant, burly lumberjacks in the region. Every hour on the hour, he'd go behind a tree and rest for 10 minutes while everyone else keep chopping at the trees without. At the end of the contest the tiny lumberjack had cut down more and bigger trees than anyone else. when they asked him what kind of drugs he was taking when he rested he answered: "No drugs...I was just sharpening my axe". Nobody is going to bash you for wanting to take care of your business, least of all moi. I have been self employed for over 28 years. But you have to take time off to sharpen your axe. One of the reasons why my future wife should agree to not work for anyone else but with me is because I intentionally designed my business to give me the freedom to spend time with family and loved ones at least on a monthly basis, usually 5-7 days plus weekends. The last thing I need is wrench in the program coming from my woman's boss saying she cannot leave town on Thursday with me because she has to work, lol... I believe that couples who live, work and play together, stay together. But the most important argument to oppose, antagonize and disagree with your plan remains the same. It is imperative that you find a way to make yourself personally known to your woman's family. There is no other way around it, mate. Do you have the slightest appreciation for the importance of gaining her family's approval for her to move to your country to start a completely new life. Do you have the barest level of consideration for the sheer terror her parents will suffer not knowing who the hell their little girl is going to visit or live with? These are not trophy pieces you order from a vase catalogue, man. You're dealing with real people who have dignity, love for their children and deserve the respect of at least shaking the hand of the man who'll take their little girl away from them. And if you think I'm harsh, be grateful TimH is not here to read about your "oh so clever plan", lol.... toad Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/27/2004 3:11:57 PM   Deep, I'm sure you realize that "Families need to take vacations....together", and I'm also sure you will do so when that time arrives. You see Toad, he's working on one, doesn't have one yet by the sounds of it. I also take a gamble and tell you he's younger than you, if my hunch is correct considerably so. For some reason I didn't miss the fact that you work for yourself, maybe because it just sounds a bit familiar. Coming season going to be busy, and of course you'll have to be there, especially valid when you use subbies. And no, forget about finding anybody working for a salary displaying the same kind of commitment you do. That will cost you incentives like commission or a biz-share, and by the sounds of it (another hunch) you cannot afford that yet, this irrespective of the fact if you're ready for that. So basically Deep, only your timing is caca - maybe postpone until after your season? Then again it's your dough, your life, and the best captains are always found on the shore. Make the best of it. Toad, My my, my man, you are multi-faced, and note I didn't specify a particular number. Your future wife may not take a job/career/employment eh? I quote: "my future wife should agree to not work for anyone else but with me", and if that's not enough "couples who live, work and play together". Please explain that to me - she only may work with you (for you?) because then the free-time can be adapted to coincide with yours? And maybe add the fact that an employee/boss relationship would suit you better? Tell me what line of bizz you're in, I'm darn curious. You seem to be able to build & structure it with only foresight, plan off-time in advance even, just so you will be able to enjoy life concurrent with sufficient income, no stress as well as only a planned workload. Do you really work with customers? No dips/peaks in your line? Never personnel-problems, definitely no exports by the sounds of it, and Murphy seems unbeknown about you. Basically Toad, I don't believe caca of it, but let me guess (again) - FMCG? idiotdetector Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/27/2004 3:38:56 PM   Toad, maybe you should just buy a dog :o) GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/27/2004 4:23:02 PM   LOL, Thunder....OK, my curious friend. I am a financial planner. I have been in the financial services industry for over 25 of my tender 48 years. I always enjoyed working with money, but wasn't born with any I didn't really see much future in printing my own. I used to have up to 25 agents working for me but got rid of the agency years ago. It was the best business decision I have ever made in my life. It not only brought me a significant windfall cash wise, it also wiped out the neverending and mounting frustration of finding, training and managing people who, regardless of their best and most noble intentions, were simply not cut out to assume the responsibilities and practice the work ethics needed to succeed as a self employed person. The worthy ones, the priceless 'diamonds' as I call them, invariably would grow into my own competition after a few years by no fault of their own. Just the nature of the biz beast. Today, the vast majority of my 400+ clients are people who are retired or facing retirement withing the next 5-10 year and most have been my clients for an average of 10-15 years each. New clients are mostly referred by existing clients. Their own kids, usually, or some other relative. The most exquisite luxury in this business is growing to be in the enviable position of choosing or rejecting the clients who come calling for your services. And that should answer one of your questions, senor Thunder. Now to the part you took out of context,...:)) I do not need a wife to contribute to the family income. I still actively work my business every week and I am far from retiring, my income is not only 'up there', it is also secured, courtesy of the 850+ contracts in place that generate renewal commissions year after year. I would much prefer a wife who wants to be a stay-at-home mom. If she is a woman who has her own kids and wants to bring them up here under my roof, I have no intention of making a long term commitment to someone who wants to get a job elsewhere outside the home. Even if her kids are teenagers. That in my book is utter nonsense. In our society earning money has character value for each and every individual. I assure you that I have a vast list of things for her to learn about my business that could improve my practice and help her earn an above average income level that she'd be hard pressed to find elsewhere. Specially for someone who may not have skills, training or even complete command of the language. The eastern women with whom I currently correspond are all between the age of 28 and 37 and have already completed their education and training in their fields of expertise. To a voice, all of them want to be able to raise their own kids without having to rely on outsiders. They all agree that at least one parent should be home to raise the child. They all agree and dream that being able to live and work with the man they love would be a dream come true, made even sweeter by the opportunity to earn extra income for herself to use in any way they wish. Each man here in this quest has different assets, limitations, goals and dreams to share with whoever it is they want to marry. I know I would not be willing to swap my situation with any other man, lol...:)) Does this answer your questions, senor Thunder? toad Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/27/2004 5:29:30 PM   Gracias Sapo, I suppose it does for the most bits. Indeed no fluctuations, and such a Kingpin biz is low on staff normally. And you're darn right when saying that your 'acceptance' is a rare luxury, or should I say 'right on the money'? Only De Beers finds diamonds, I've learned one grinds them by adding responsibility and see how they shape. In your line these naturally will evolve into competition, evolution at work, but in most others they will keep shining when in close proximity to sufficient gold. Each man here his own indeed, and that includes the one who wants to throw himself in at the deep end. However, if there's water he just might swim, and if not he'll not drown. Then again, maybe she'll keep his head above water, some in fact need this kind of symbiosis. Only the lucky one's have learnt to swim, and Toads... GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/29/2004 12:39:19 PM   Enough about me and my not so crazy ideas...:) Now let's get back to the core of this thread and why I'm so adamantly against supporting anything ressembling the self appointed and selfish "oh so clever..." plan presented by Deephouse. I understand anyone's need to take care of his business. But your work obligations and the limitations your biz poses on your social/travel activities do not justify degrading the respect that is owed to the woman you seek and/or her family. I spent the last few days discussing his "clever plan" with two of my FSU honies. Once I played the devil's advocate role that I enjoy so much...;)) Boy, I got a mega dose of written shit on DeepHouse's behalf, lol....No wonder many eastern women think western men are childish, weak momma's boys incapable of being responsible for actions they take, the things they want, the goals they seek to achieve and the women they want to attract and keep. My FSU ladies blatantly rejected the concept of having your foreign woman be the first to come to (coveniently for you) meet you in your country as a cowardly act on the part of the western man because it is seen as a disrespectful slap on the face to the entire family. It denies them several important things; 1. MEET you in person to see what you look like, 2. SEE that you are a real person, not a figment of their daughter's overactive romantic imagination, 3. HEAR your words and thoughts, even if their translated by someone else, and 4. ENJOY your company as they would with someone who is planning of joining thier family. toad Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > ok i have a clever plan ........so clever you could pin a tail on it and call it a weasle !!!
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