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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Will Ukraine & Russia follow the multiracial Muslim experiment of Britain Author Post Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/29/2009 6:52:14 PM   And what the phuck has all this got to do with SOOTY's propoganda of: Will Ukraine & Russia follow the multiracial Muslim experiment of Britain? Don't you guys realise you're playing in to SOOTY's hands, he's on a mission in life, he hasn't got a real life, he's trying to spread 'his' word and you guys are publicising his word! Might this forum, by slim chance, ignore trolls like SOOTY and get back to the subject of FSU? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zj6o_DZfSw durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/29/2009 7:15:09 PM   nasfan and I agree! nas wrote, "the amendments' intention was Government Neutrality in religious matters" For exactly this reason, any government in the United States that attempted to ban the construction of minarets -- while permitting the construction of church steeples or towers -- would have a Constitutional problem on their hands. I take deep pride in American traditions of liberty. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/29/2009 7:32:36 PM   If con is the opposite of pro, what's the opposite of program? :P nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/29/2009 7:33:14 PM   State Government would have the ability to stop the building of minarets in their communities not the Feds. It would not be a constitutional problem, unless judicial activism was initiated. Just Like Roe V. Wade, gross violation of states rights. Read Scalia, on the courts opinion of The Church of the Holy trinity V. US. It tells you where government has no place in matters that are left to the people to decide. We didn't agree Durak, not even remotely. This is not a federally Run country but a country that is run by the people, the problem being is the people have given up their ability to rule themselves and left it to the black robes in DC. Lincoln warned of this in his first inagural address and Bork warns of it in Slouching to Gomorrah. durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/29/2009 8:18:44 PM   So nas, if I understand your position correctly, you believe that the US Supreme Court has no right to interfere with gun laws in New York City and Chicago. Did I get that right? Many conservatives disagree, but over a span of more than two generations, the courts interpreted the constitutional rights (generally, protections of private liberty from governmental power) as constraining state and local governments. That's why (for example) Miranda warnings are required in ALL US police jurisdictions. One of the Rupert Murdoch guys on the radio says that Marbury v. Madison was dead wrong, and that the US Supreme Court doesn't have the authority to interpret the Constitution -- he wants to roll the clock back two centuries. The logic of these objectors may be elegant, but these questions -- the authority of the Supreme Court to interpret the Constitution, and the general application of constitutional rights as constraining ALL US governments, are now settled law. The country that these guys imagine is not the US of A -- if fact, no such country exists -- it is a sort of Platonic ideal. I'm OK with the system we have. I think that tinpot dictators SHOULD be constrained by the bill of rights, whether they are state governors, or police chiefs in the smallest towns of Alabama. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/30/2009 4:54:44 AM   Durak you support the bill of rights? But without hesitation trample on the states rights and the rights of the people. There is a difference between interpretation and judicial activism. Marbur, Brown, Roe are just simple examples of Judical activism where the court has not jurisdiction. What power is not granted to the federal governemtn by the constitution is reserved to the people. When the governed quit the governing then you are head to depostism. We have given up our governing to a Supreme court because congress lacks the fortitude to take on tough issues because we have bred career politicians and not statesman. Durak, you also need to do a little research, Miranda is not required anymore. You can be arrested and detained without Miranda. Miranda is another example of the criminals getting more protection than the victim. So don't emphasis "all" because it's not true. durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/30/2009 1:02:38 PM   So you also reject Marbury v. Madison, and believe that the US has been on the wrong track for the last 206 years? I think we have been talking about two different countries. Your country seems to be the Jeffersonian ideal of agrarian states as independent sovereigns, run by gentlemen farmers who are freed to pursue their avocations by the toil of lesser men. My country experienced the industrial revolution, became enormously prosperous, and extended political and other rights to almost every person. In your country, the supremacy of states' rights meant that the institution of slavery was permitted to endure until plantation-based states decided it wasn't profitable any longer -- or if there WAS any federal interference in slavery, the right of the states to secede was honored, and it became two nation-states (or possibly more). In my country, both slavery and secession were intolerable, and were broken at enormous cost by men like my great granddad. In your country, any state government might trample with impunity on basic rights: censorship of press, religious intolerance, imprisonment without charge, and neither the federal government nor any other state could defend these rights. In my country, ALL governments are restrained from assaults on liberty. My country, with many difficulties and heroic efforts, managed to reform the abuses of 19th-century robber-baron industrialism, to overcome the great depression, and to help destroy the monstrous wave of militarism and fascism that engulfed much of the world in the 30s and 40s. It became in many, many dimensions the envy of most of the world. It is still a place that people often die trying to reach, because they so long for the blessings of life here. How your country would have navigated these challenges is a topic for speculative fiction, because it didn't exist. Perhaps your country was the Confederate States of America, but we Unionists beat it down. My country is real, and I know myself very lucky to have been born here. dcv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/1/2009 5:29:36 PM   Some sensible advice here Mini Cooper Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/1/2009 6:30:36 PM   durak talks like a queer Muzzy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/1/2009 7:04:24 PM   Wow - productive post! Mini Cooper Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/1/2009 7:05:32 PM   Mussy is his butt buddy Muzzy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/2/2009 1:38:57 AM   Mini Cooper can't spell Muzzy, and shows his class (and intellect) with every post. Want to continue, Mr Helpful? Tell you what, I'll meet you in the playground after school for a fight Child! durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/2/2009 2:47:41 AM   Mini Coop, Which queer do I talk like? Peter Tchaikovsky? Noel Coward? Oscar Wilde? Walt Whitman? Leonardo da Vinci? Socrates? I blush at the compliment. OOO XXX durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/2/2009 3:13:43 AM   oops... I forgot Alan M. Turing, one of my queer heroes. dcv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/2/2009 5:20:52 AM   Rock Hudson was a Queer. dcv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/2/2009 12:05:31 PM   destroy all fagotts dcv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/2/2009 4:53:43 PM   There are No queers in Ukraine ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/2/2009 5:00:30 PM   Durak, you are a role model for many. That should be how you handle them. Rocks were thrown at me, and I threw rocks right back. Mini Cooper Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/2/2009 7:52:37 PM   dcv could you meet Durak after school for the fight? I'm nonviolent. RB... yes Durak is a model for many that want to "come out" <smile> gladiatorUK Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/2/2009 8:15:02 PM   Class act Mini..............(applause) NOT Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Will Ukraine & Russia follow the multiracial Muslim experiment of Britain
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