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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Will Ukraine & Russia follow the multiracial Muslim experiment of Britain Author Post SOOTY Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/11/2009 2:01:40 PM   Yes Nasfan makes a good observation here. In Britain we have the The BBC -British BrainWashing Corporation. The July 7 2005 bombers were "British Muslims" according to BBC news. What an Insult. There is No such thing as a British Muslim. So according to the BBC if a martian were to land in Britain and be given a British passport the BBC would call him a "British Martian" durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/11/2009 2:43:22 PM   nas, Unless I misunderstood, you disapproved of news outlets referring to (reported) US citizens as Americans. I replied that they were stating fact -- and that hideous violence against innocents is something that Americans of varied backgrounds and beliefs sometimes do. The bridge from my reply to "Hitler was okay doing what he did" surpasses my understanding. In truth, I rather disapprove of Hitler's conduct. He offended quite a few minority groups -- in fact, he slaughtered them -- but perhaps I would disapprove of his ways even if he hadn't. I'm a huge fan of Churchill -- almost 20 years ago, I paid $600 for a copy of "The World Crisis" (it had not yet been reprinted in a modern edition). I agree with you, that he was a visionary like no other. He was also a man of his times, a sentimentalist full of typical Victorian prejudices. If you meet anyone from Ireland, ask them about their admiration for Winston! Churchill loved the Empire, and fought doggedly (and violently) against Ireland's independence. A couple more points of fact (I know, durak has this crazy obsession with facts): 1. I read the "at your throat or at your feet" quip (I think in Manchester's biography) as a reference to Germans, and I believe that if you research the quote you will find this to be so. It is possible that he recycled this mot on another occasion, but people who are writing political screeds VERY OFTEN misquote the famous, either fabricating or mangling. I read blogs with skepticism! In Churchill's day, Arabs were extremely poor and weak, no threat to anyone but themselves or travelers through the Arabian peninsula. 2. The Churchill bust in the White House was on loan from the UK. Was putting a bust of Lincoln in its place, and returning it to its rightful owners, an attack on Winston? I wonder how many of the guys here have known or worked alongside Muslims, or native speakers of Arabic? ben2006 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/11/2009 2:52:36 PM   1899? The worlds changed since then nasfan. Now if you have never worked and lived in the middle east you would understand they are the same as 'us' and have the similar objectives in life. I've encounterd none at my throat or at my feet in all the time I've dealt with any. Have you?. They keep their traditions, culture and religion, whats wrong with that? thats what we should be doing. The problem is we let them come to our country and do what they want, we give them all sort of rights and then we complain about it. ben2006 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/11/2009 3:08:50 PM   The common theme in terrorism isn't religion, terrorism is used when one party can't fight a conventional war or force political change againist a much more powerful opposition. In stead of just giving up they fight dirty. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/11/2009 4:05:54 PM   Ben2006 I see history hasn't been taught well over in Europe, or did you forget how many times the Muslims,Moors or whatever you want to call them over history attacked and laid seige on Europe. Sure it was an attack on Churchill. This clown in the Whitehouse won't even call these animals what they are. He knew Churchills stance on Islam. It wasn't removed for Lincoln, it was removed for who and What Churchill stood for. The only country with any balls lately has been Switzerland and America should stand up for it's culture now. We are not the melting pot anymore because these idiots don't assimilate in the country, it's not about giving them more rights, because they will always want more. So Durak your facts are wrong on the Churchill bust. I mean seriously how can an administration have so many people that admire one of the worlds greatest murderers and have a bust of Churchill in the same place? It doesn't fit. Also Mr. Lincoln fought doggedly against the independence of the Southern States. ben2006 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/11/2009 5:57:28 PM   "The common theme in terrorism isn't religion, terrorism is used when one party can't fight a conventional war or force political change againist a much more powerful opposition. In stead of just giving up they fight dirty. " of course there are exceptions like the French bombing the greenpeace ship in Auckland. Nasfan I haven't forgotten, just don't see what your point is. Because the Muslims laid seige on Europe in the past I should expect that all muslims who moved to europe or was born here are planning the same? Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/11/2009 6:06:26 PM   Amazing, If we're going back in history then why the hell have Germans been allowed the freedom of travel throughout the European Union? N.B. I merely make this point to highlight that we need to move with the times, not to refer to historical statistics, and no offence to any German national is intended. dcv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/11/2009 7:51:21 PM   Sooty, the Pakistani problem is quite bad now in Britain I know this.Your weak politicians are afraid to confront the Islamists.They fear losing the Islam vote there in u.k. Mixing Islam into the native Brits way of life is a nasty evil experiment,and one which the native Brits will suffer if they tolerate it. dcv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/11/2009 7:52:59 PM   Switzerland had the right idea recently-Ban the Islamists minarets on the mosques. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/11/2009 8:33:43 PM   dcv, But, alas, Britain had it's empire thus different nationalities become entitled to settlement in UK but, as with the attempted liquid bombers proved, having such undesirables here can prove advantageous, easier to keep an eye on via phone tapping and once Yahoo were forced to reveal the email communications those individuals were convicted. So UK is not perfect, is any country perfect, who shall we start on next, USA who have some religious freaks that mass burn people to death in ranches? nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/11/2009 9:23:35 PM   Sorry Martin, they were burned by the ATF. Maybe we should bring up Randy Weaver whose wife was gunned down by and FBI sniper. These were government hit jobs done on people who didn't agree with the government. I always love the governments reason for intrusion, they use two things, abuse of women and child abuse. During all the investigations of the Branch Davidians not one charge of child abuse was ever brought forward. The government pushed the issue and killed those people, children included, what greater form of child abuse is there than by one's own government? See this is exactly what we are talking about here the news media. How could you come up with the Branch Davidians burned themselves unless it was improperly piped in by the propoganda machine. Koresh could have been arrested in town many times before the seige. Same with Randy Weaver, but Weaver knew he was getting setup. See that's also what is wrong with America. The Neocons want an empire and us originalist conservatives want America to be what our forefathers intended it to be. Just like a comment above, that was 1899 but there are also timeless traditions that make a country great. Unfortunately due to political correctness we have wandered off the reservation. Harvey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/11/2009 9:45:13 PM   c'mon nas, I am sure you are a proud American that holds his head up that OUR president has won a nobel peace prize. why do they call it a prize anyway? oh! kind of like going to bingo night at the ladies auxilliary lodge... play the 'right card' and you win. I get it now. martin, we are trying to keep it closer to home. ever since our good friend decided we (they) all should drink some super koolaid ... the Jim Jone's of the world figured it is better to tone it down a bit... well, not counting the Jim Ahkhmeds of the world... durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/12/2009 4:32:29 AM   "So Durak your facts are wrong on the Churchill bust." I stated two: that the bust was on loan from the UK government, and that it was replaced with a bust of Lincoln. Which of these is incorrect? Factual sources, please? "Sure it was an attack on Churchill." Factual sources, please? I understand that many people, both here and in the UK, made (or suspected) the INTERPRETATION that it was an attack on Churchill. Personally, I think the majority of Brits made a truly vicious attack on Churchill when they booted him from office weeks after he finished helping them to save their butts. Example of a fact: Ronald Reagan's administration supported and encouraged Saddam Hussein's Baathist regime, and the religious fanatic Mujahideen (including, at least indirectly, al Qaeda) in Afghanistan, is factual. There are numerous documents, statements, records: items of objective evidence to establish the reality of this support. Example of an interpretation: Reagan's visit to a cemetery that included the graves of SS soldiers reflected his disrespect toward the victims of Nazism. Certainly there was more than one reasonable explanation for Reagan's actions, and without knowing (by objective evidence) the state of his mind, and how he arrived at his decisions, this sort of interpretation is not factual. If we don't agree on what are facts, and what are interpretations of fact -- then it is like a conversation in which one person speaks only Japanese, and the other Hungarian. And I still don't understand, what is wrong with referring to US citizens as Americans? If you complain to Fox about it, please forward a copy of your letter here! Does foreign ancestry disqualify me from being called American? At Appomattox court house, General Lee, in an understandably bitter mood, recognized one of the victorious Union officers (Lt. Col. Ely Parker) by his features and complexion as a native (American Indian), and said, "I'm glad to see one real American here," to which Parker replied, "we are all Americans." BTW, Parker was apparently not considered a citizen! Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/12/2009 5:24:29 AM   I honestly can't remember how the starting of that ranch fire was reported in the media, it was quite a few years back and my memory cells aren't what they were! 9/11 happened after at least some of those individuals learned their flying skills in USA, after 9/11 USA said, to the effect, "we're not having that again" and slapped on all sorts of 'difficulties' in the pilot training application process. Well that only applies to pilots training with a USA organisation, I was doing it 3 years ago and I could do it again tomorrow, I could dry lease a simulator, let us say a B757/B767 (as utilised on 9/11) simulator, in USA, have my pilots complete and successfully screen a TSA online application and then they enter USA, under the visa waiver program, without visas to train to fly an airliner. They cannot apply for a visa because they are not training with a USA organisation, they are training in USA but with a European organisation, any visa application cannot be supported by a USA organisation thus it wouldn't become subject to the applicable scrutiny, there is no appropriate visa, the nearest to it being a business visa, that they may apply for thus they simply wander in to USA as tourists but to train to fly an airliner. Has USA really tightened their belts, eliminated any possibilities of a repeat of 9/11, or is it an accident waiting to happen again? durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/12/2009 3:02:55 PM   As long as airline passengers and crew remember the 2001 attacks, an attempt to repeat this tactic will almost certainly fail. Imagine hearing an intercom announcement, "this is the captain, people are trying to break into the cockpit." Take a minute to think about what would happen. (Even before the doors were reinforced, entering a locked cockpit would probably have taken some seconds.) I suspect that would-be mass murderers have figured this out, and won't try to use another airliner as a demolition tool. They'll be looking for the places that aren't well guarded, not those that are. Muzzy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/12/2009 3:40:17 PM   Once again Sooty, you're failing to understand the difference. Islam is a RELIGION. Britain is a NATION. There is no Muslim nationality. There isn't even a nation with a 100% muslim population - anywhere in the world! Not even Iran or Saudi are entirely Muslim. Or do you know something that I (and everyone else, for that matter) doesn't? There can be British Muslims as much as there can British Christians, Sikhs or Jews. Still, never let facts get in the way of a nice bit of bigotry, eh? Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/12/2009 3:46:43 PM   durak, The crew and passengers ..... how about airport security? If airport security is so good then how come it becomes increased when there may be a heightened alert? I'll tell you why, because it is literally impossible to secure a place the size of an airport airfield, they can't afford to do it, passengers would have to check-in several hours before a flight and probably need to all wear white paper suits ..... meanwhile airport securities occupy themselves checking if the pilots have any sharp objects in their flight cases! ..... Think about it, does a pilot need a sharp object to jeopardise the flight or does he just need to push the aircraft control column (steering wheel or joystick) into a dive? Flight deck (cockpit) doors have, for a long time before 9/11, been reinforced but if you believe they stay secured during flight then you are very much mistaken. Flight deck door policies vary from country to country and not all airliners flying in US airspace have their flight deck doors secured, I observe flight deck doors open regularly, and, furthermore, with regard to no passengers in flight decks, well 4 times during last year I rode the aircraft, as a passenger, occuping a flight deck jumpseat due all seats in the aircraft cabin full. If you believe, for one minute, that there can't be a repeat of something along the lines of 9/11 then you are very much mistaken. dcv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/12/2009 4:47:34 PM   Sooty is correct, Britain its heritage and history has been built on Christian foundations.There is No reciprocal gestures in Saudi to allow for Christian symbols. You will find No Christian churches in Saudi Arabia.Just Mosques. In Eygypt the minority coptic Christians are being driven out and killed.The Islamists in u.k know the British are a weak soft touch and will keeping pushing for more. Leftists trying to empathise with u.k based Islamists will discover that appeasing and surrender is doomed to failure. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/12/2009 5:13:37 PM   I can recall a British Empire of different countries, different religions, around the world, I don't recall Egypt being part of that empire nor there ever being a Saudi Arabia Empire! Have you all forgotten the most recent attack in NYC, the geese flying past La Guardia that brought the A320 down in to the Hudson River, every other attack seems to be blamed on the muslims, were those geese not muslim also? Muzzy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/12/2009 5:20:19 PM   dcv, whether that last statement is directed at me or not, I'll just point out that I always vote to the right, always have, always will. There's nothing leftist about understanding facts, and thinking that they're generally better than baseless scare-mongering. As a Pastor by profession, I'm actually well connected to, and work in support of Christian missions abroad. For your information, dcv, some of the worst persecution of Christians is currently taking place in Kuwait and Indonesia (where Children are being crucified). Still, what's going on there now pales in comparison to what was done to Christians in China and (just to roam near being on-topic) Soviet Russia. In both cases, the persecution there was done in the name of Atheism. Islam has no monopoly on religious persecution. It may also surprise you to know that the Christians I know who are in such positions, including those who willingly face death for going to spread the Gospel in such places, wouldn't want Muslims in the west to face any persecution or restriction on practicing their beliefs. Interestingly, it's the BNP (that's British National Party to the uninitiated) who claim that the 'indigenous' population of the UK dates back over ten thousand years (although all respectable historians find their assertions laughable). By their own claims, Christianity is a relatively recent facet of British culture. Much of our heritage and history has a great deal of paganism to it originally, including most of the major 'Christian' holidays. Many of our Catholic and Anglican churches were intentionally built over destroyed pagan ritual sites. It may interest you to know that our media is currently reporting one of our 'soft touch' judges dismissing a case brought my a Muslim woman against two Christian hoteliers, where she claimed they insulted her religion. It may also interest you to know that even though the BNP is so 'pro-British' that their leader actually advocated the Royal Navy sinking ships carrying immigrants towards England, the BBC (Sooty's 'British Brainwashing Corporation') gave them a place on a prime time political show, alongside the main parties, even though they represent a tiny minority of the vote. I wonder, do extreme right wingers such as this get to sit alongside government figures in front of national audiences in America? Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Will Ukraine & Russia follow the multiracial Muslim experiment of Britain
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