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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Bad Experiences! Author Post jmoluv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/14/2004 12:38:48 AM   can a man be both? groon Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/14/2004 1:40:17 AM   jmoluv: Yeah what you described is always in the back of my mind. All I can say is so far she hasn't even brought up the subject of money or my coming to visit yet. She's been pretty clear about our communications. She wants things to develop naturally. Well as naturally as they can in a long distance relationship. I also am not rushing into anything. If I don't feel a mutual spark then I am not gonna invest the time and money to haul my butt halfway around the world. I don't believe in "backup plans" (other wommen). When I go it will be to see one woman. I can't focus on multiple women and have "honorable" intentions towards them all. My backup plan will be a nice vacation if nothing develops from the visit. And as the golden rule in here goes I shall never send a woman I have never met ANY of my money. I'm reslitic on this. I know damn well untill the face to face meeting these woman are all really strangers. jmoluv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/14/2004 1:53:43 AM   you can meet women at these socials and you can carry on with them just like you do now after you have met them in real flesh and blood. at least you know who the hell you are writing to. then go back again if it grows. instead of looking in a gallery they are right there in front of you. no glamour photos. there is a big difference in meeting a woman for the first time after a long e-mail relationship. it can go flat real quick. if you meet someone in person you can detect an actual combined attraction which i feel you cant get from only e-mail. i have experienced this. in my two visits to kiev i met girls from this site and the most rewarding was the social. if one does not click you move to the next, just like you say to do here. what does it cost? brother if you want to go globe trotting to meet fsu women , money should not be an issue. those were the two best trips in my life. i was pointing out the some of the bullshit i uncovered although. jmoluv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/14/2004 2:05:26 AM   hey groon like wessman said ,is that not wild that she acually showed up at the airport to meet me and then split. that is pretty bazarr. she could have kept it all and stayed home. if i did not have a back up plan i would have been marooned. the amount of money i sent her was not that astronomical so it didnt set me back much. that was my first trip and like you she was supposed to be the only one but i am sure glad i had an alternative. i have made some good honest girlfriends there who have helped me tremendously from going to a social. friends for life or more. who knows yet and like you i am not pushing anything. groon Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/14/2004 4:16:54 AM   jmoluv: You do raise some valid points and yeah the crazy you mentioned was just that. Crazy! What did she get out of looking the person she just ripped off in the face? I hear what you are saying and believe me it has crossed my mind. In the end though I feel I have to ride this out to it's end. I think the biggest mistake people make is investing too much of their heart and not enough of their brains. Don't let a glamor shot and some emails fool you into thinking you truly know the person sending the email. You won't truly knwo what you are getting yourself into till you go and meet them as you said. In the end it's a gamble. jmoluv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/14/2004 6:04:56 AM   roger that! crashnsplash Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/14/2004 5:03:17 PM   nice letter wess, good luck. jmoluv you made a few good points about the agencies, its definitly something to be aware of. too bad about your bad luck, that sucks im defintly not a fan of the socials, in my opinion if i wanted that i could do that right here and not have to fly across the planet. dont be offended here fellas but to me socials are more for the guys that have problems hooking up with women where there from. why the hell would you go so far and not have a clue who your going for. im sure this will trigger a few responses, lol scottlf Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/14/2004 5:15:20 PM   My personal opinion is that going to a social on a tour is not a bad thing if you don't go with any expectations. I went to St. Peterburg, Russia for the first time this year, and the tour/social is a good way to find out what you are getting yourself into. I don't think I need to follow that route anymore. I think I can handle myself in all the major cities at this point. I would agree that I certainly would not depend completely on socials. You simply are not going to attract the women of the type you may be interested in at a social. lesya Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/14/2004 5:27:41 PM   Nice letter wess (as usually), good luck. I am really glad for you! Don’t listen him he wants to be right groon Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/14/2004 7:03:59 PM   I am curious. What are socials like? They sound like meet markets. Kinda like the club scene. Is that pretty much right? That's what I keep seeing when people mention them. jmoluv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/14/2004 7:17:11 PM   crash n splash your right . where i am from every place you go is big sausage festival. it is not good here. the men completely outnumber the women . so ot worked for me. scottlf Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/14/2004 7:30:42 PM   They can vary. Mine was actually underwhelming. Not as many women as I would have expected. It IS pretty much a meat market, which I did not like. I did find two women I was very interested in. One was extremely attractive, and ultimately only interested in me as a way to get out of Russia. The other was very intelligent, and was a lawyer in real estate. All the others were ultimately not my type. The number of smokers was suprisingly high to me. Of course, then again, maybe that is just the "club scene". That's just my experience. jmoluv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/14/2004 7:33:09 PM   groon, the social i went to was european connections .com they have been around for thirty years. they are very responsible. it is a nice setting in a well lighted ballroom. absolutely no alchohol, just refreshments. it was from 300pm to 800pm. they invite all the girls from their planned city to be there. i dont know why everyone is so paranoid about socials. these women are no different than the ones you write to. all shapes and sizes and english levels. they have interpretors there to assist if needed. they are well dressed like all fsu women and they are all educated. you walk around and be yourself . you say high and you start a conversation. it much easier than typing. you look her in the eyes , you can smell her perfume you can talk to her. there is no rocket science here men. you can feel right away if there is a mutual attraction. you have many options here . you can meet as many as you want or just decide to meet just a few. you can make lunch and dinner dates or go to a ballet like i did. these women were all true poised ladies. i was in heaven. it felt good to know these women were here for a purpose like me and just like the women on this web (i hope) this is the real thing . no fantasizing or wondering. real flesh and blood. and man are they gorgeous in person. i had more fun in my two trips than i had with women from my hometown in three years. it brokre the ice for me. you learn so much about what you need to know. try it groon ,you wont be sorry.trust me jmoluv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/14/2004 7:42:57 PM   scottlf there was 165 women and 30 men. no alchohol and no club scene here. it would be hard for me to call it a meat market because the women in kyiv at the social dresses nice and somewhat conservatively and i did not see much smoking inside or outside. it is anastasia .com that throws socials right in the middle of a loud disco . this is why i preferred european connections. totally conservative which they and i feel is the best for meeting on a more serious note and it works. i just had major problems surface trying to organize my third trip which was suppose to be tomorrow. i got scammed badly by the agency in kiev. not for money but for my heart and soul. they could not produce. but i will go back and i still have my plane ticket. better educated i hope. groon Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/14/2004 9:01:21 PM   jmoluv: What does not kill you makes you stronger my friend. jmoluv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/14/2004 9:23:30 PM   groon thank you wessman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/14/2004 11:51:16 PM   Jmoluw, it appears you have little trust in the agency that burned you and you can not see writing letters when you can go and do a social. Let me paraphrase the book. Men write letters to woman that post there most flattering photo they can find, often asking their men friends in the neighborhood to pick the most flattering photo for them to post, now men being the sexual and visual creatures that they are become very attached to the photo. This book is written by a woman she say's that because men are not willing to take the time and make a woman bond with them emotionally they are doomed to repeat a continuous cycle of disappointment and rejection. Why? Because while men are visual, woman are emotional. Men are looking for an attractive younger woman of child bearing age to fulfill the biological predisposition of the species whereas woman must be satisfied in several other areas before making such a commitment. So my friend woman are looking for, no, not wealthy men, no, not a free ride. No, not someone to take care of them but a partner. If you can not extend yourself on an emotional level you will not complete the process. When you go to a social and meet a woman that you are attracted to this is called physical attraction, this is the chemistry that will not last or hold up to the test of time. How many times have you met a woman and after a few weeks or months of hot, steamy, sex, did you both loose interest in each other, maybe every time, who knows? I know most of the guys here are sick of hearing me go on about the emotional bond that must be formed and maintained but this is part of the process. Baking a cake is a series of steps that make the process and capturing the heart of a foreign woman many miles away needs precision just like any process, we can not be lazy in our efforts. Let me offer exhibit B as evidence. A womamn with an emotional bond! My girl from Moldova Hello Wess! It is the first time I write you a letter before I receive yours. I am very worried. How are things with you there in Florida? How do you survive the consequences of that awful hurricane you had? I have little time to watch TV, but I heard much about weather conditions you have. Once again, Wess, I am very worried. I don't want something wrong to happen to you. I call the agency every day and they say there is no news from you. I hope very much that you will answer my letter as soon as you can. Wess, I read your card and translated it by myself! It is great! ( I used the dictionary, just a little). It is so interesting to receive your letter in the "original". I looked at your hand writing and it told me much about you. I will try to send you my letter by post mail, so that you could see what my hand writing is. OK? Wess, I am writing to you, but my heart sinks, so much I am worried about you. I even felt like trying to call you. At first my poor English kept me from that, but then I just wanted to hear your voice and to make sure that you are Ok. I feel very much attracted to you and I am concerned. On the one hand I know so little about you, on the other hand your bear is looking at me right now, I read your card and I have a feeling as if you were here by my side. You-a big and strong and at the same time so gentle man. Wess, I make a promise to you, I will answer your every letter right away, without any delay. You know, when something happens, we really start to value things. You made me realize that, you made my eyes wide open. And when the eyes are open the soul is open too, right? Thank you for everything, Wess. I hope to hear from you very, very soon. Yours, 5%$&####& jmoluv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/15/2004 12:44:44 AM   wessman there are many different vehicles to help you look for what you want . much of what you say is true.i use both fiance .com and all other methods and socials. yes there is the physical attraction in meeting a girl but you left out things like stimulating conversation which bonds people and the sound of her voice and the wiggle of her, well you know. e-mail is good but it lacks that human element. so i guess phone calls are even better. i do not hesitate to make phone calls. they seem much happier when you call them. i have a great girlfriend in kyiv, i dont tell everything. she is an interpretor for socials. just freelancing. but her main occupation is working for adoption agencies. she is awesome . a true ukrainian historian, three languages and was my personal tour guide. she knows that city like you know the palm of your hand! just joking lol!! she is sharp but very strong and somewhat stubborn. good character and we have become very close. sad thing is i just do not know if i want to help raise her child at my age. i just dont know about it. they all either have children or they want to have children. help me. wessman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/15/2004 2:39:44 PM   The child will grow up you will grow old, the child will go out on his own you will be alone. When will you be tired of casual semi fullfilling relationships? One day you will wish for the steady love and companionship of a special woman but if you do not build one now to last, you will be living a sad regret. jmoluv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/15/2004 3:12:47 PM   that is possible Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Bad Experiences!
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