I remember 23608, I talked to her many times. She had told me she worked in the same building as the agency (no wonder) and thats why she was able to reply so fast. I thought that was a little fishy.
My woman was in miss wow for about 2 weeks until she removed herself from this site and her agencies site. She said most of the letters she recieved were a joke. I wouldnt be worried about the amount of letters a woman receives. Just get your ass over there and meet her before someone else does.
I agree with Crash, I know of one person who told me his Miss Wow received over a thousand letters from being listed on various sites, but he was the one who went and seen her and they are now engaged, waiting for the visa paperwork to be completed.
groon ,play it out man. you never know. have fun. but i will say what a dead giveaway is that i discovered on what a scamming agency does . when your letters are consistently received read and replied within the next business day other than weekends back to you is a sure thing that that agency is opening up the ladies mail and writing the replies for them. do you think the woman can leave her job every single day and rush to the agency on lunch break to accomplish this. i sure as hell wouldnt.the agencys are open on daylight hours only and sometimes on saturday. if you are getting these quick next day replies i would be very skeptical. crashman , 23608 was beautiful but a great liar. she would not tell me her occupation till down the road when i threatened to expose her . it is hard to tell when a women is being crafty when they are so good looking, wow.
Actually she has access to the interenet from her work. She's some sort of tech type person. On the weekends she will go to an internet cafe to write me and reply to my emails. At least that's what she told me. She will tell me about her work day and it sounds legit but who knows?
groon/ she sounds like she can be a keeper. does she scan you extra photos if you ask? my girlfriend in kyiv does . some cafes are not capable of it she tells me. also make sure you get her photo taken if you send her a gift. fiance.com offers that service. if she likes you it should not be a problem for her. when you are satisfied buy that plane ticket and get the hell over there before i do!!!!!
Yeah she's sent me a few current pics of herself. But only after I did the flowers and a photo thing with her. Before that I would send her photos of my friends and I out having fun and I would get more of her glamor shots. After I did the flowers and photo thing with her she felt more comfortable with sending her photos. She was all happy and excited that I chose to send her such a surprise and then she was a bit worried that I did not trust her. I had to convince her that the photo thing was completely innocent. That all I wanted was to see her face when she received my gifts. Told her I was unable to be there in person so I wanted the next best thing. Photos of the event. She accepted that. I also added that I though she looked beautiful. After that she sent me more photos of herself. Turned out she was a little intimidated by some of my female friends in the photos I sent her. I would have thought the time and money I'm spending on keeping in contact with her would be enough to let her know I'm interested in her. I guess some things are universal in women. :-)
"...Turned out she was a little intimidated by some of my female friends in the photos I sent her..."
Women anywhere in the world are the fiercest competitors among themselves. Add the 'caddy' element to the mix and you have a potentially explosive situation if you send photos of other females having fun with you, no matter how harmless YOU think the fun activites may be.
Most traditional cultures, with old fashion and traditional values of family, courting, dating and sex know how difficult it is for men and women to be platonic friends.
Therefore the idea of you sending photos with other women next to you sounds more like an insult than an introduction to the people in your life.
In most places, including western societies, women do not have male friends...only men who are waiting for an opportunity to get in their panties. (Lykas 101)
true that. I met a girl in Ukraine just as a friend and she has emailed me a few time. Today she asked if I thought it was possable for men and women to bre friends as she was worried that our friendship would turn sour. But in truth I think it is her who desires more on this occassion but it dose not matter which of you desire more but one always dose.
ID and I truly believe in a real friendship between a man and a woman, without any hints for sex or anything like that:) I know that the best friends I ever had were men, and girls...too talkative and pessimistic for me...it's of course IMHO, but I know that some girls, if not the majority, are afraid of being just a friend with a man, as they think "why to be friends if in the end it will be all the same"...strange for me:)
To be honest I feel a man and a woman can not remain just friends if they are in constant contact. Well that is assuming both are heterosexuals. It is nature. There will always be some level of sexual tension. I have many female friends but we are not best friends. I have tried it before. Every time w/o fail either she or I would make a pass. Casual friends is easier. I can honestly say I have very few close female friends. Those I do have are like family to me. Not saying it's impossible but it is VERY difficult to stay just friends with soemone of the opposite sex. As ID said, one of them will always want to be more eventually.
1. The man is homosexual or has ZERO sex drive..
2. The man has zero sex drive.
3. They have already had sex in the past and the relationship evolves into a sexless platonic stage.
4. The man and the woman are blood relatives (but with all the incest, kinks and other deviences going on these days one never knows, lol)
Pitchka,
I don't know how things are in Ukraine, but in the west, women do not have male friends...only men who want to get into their panties. It's the sexual tension Groon referred to.
In the west, one of the most malicious things a woman does to hurt her relationship with her man is keep a stable of elegible horny, drooling, skirt sniffing males around that she can call when her boyfriend or husband doesn't give her what she wants.
Toad, I can speak just for myself and for a couple of my friends. I can't speak for the rest of population of Ukraine:) But as for me and a couple of my friends (girls), we all have really great friends (men), and find them to be more interesting and funnier to be with then with girls.Maybe this is why we (girls) became friends too:)
My best friend (man) had many many girls, he is very handsome and sexy as I was told many times, by the girls he left. He and me we know each other since I was 9 years old. And we stayed friends...without kissing, sex or any other ways of showing sexual interest.
Toad- that is not always true but mostly so lets not say we know every siuation on the planet.
Ptichka- from what I seen in Ukraine, most girl, maybe not all but most, seemd interested in a nice boyfriend. Now if a girl and a guy were friends, she would have to think he is nice or why would she be his friend. A situation doomed to fail realy. Now your situation with men is easily understandable because you are not available, am I corrwect? Now when you are not avaiable this can, not always change the situation. I have a friend who is married to this girl and they have a child. Now I like my friend and would never play around with his girl behind his back as i could not do that to him. But, she knows and I know given a differnt situation of us meeting, we would more than likely get together for obvious reasons. I get on with her better than he dose but we have a buffer to stop us so it never comes up. I see her because I see him but when we see each other we always have a good talk and a good time but thats thats and it will always be so. Maybe you think your friend has never kissed you but he probably has though about what it would be like to kiss you, he's a guy for gods sake.
ID I see your point of view very good, and I can agree with you that we don't know every situation, so we can't speak for sure.
But you see I date with a boyfriend for 3 years, and I know that my best friend for 13 years...do you see the time difference???
I don't know if he ever thinked about kissing me, I don't care. I care about great communication we had and have, and that I can always turn with a question, with the most silly one but I can...and the feeling of friendship is a great one!!!
Of coarse Ptichka, as I said to taod, we do not know every siuation on the plantet, mostly we tend to stereotype. It is a natural thing to speak from our own experiances and opinions
When we are talking about sexual attraction and such the equation is pretty simple. Basic instincts really. Unless there is something very wrong with the woman or man you are friends with or you yourself there will be an attraction eventually. Many people try to deny it to themselves or better yet women like to pretend their male frinds are just that. Friends. I'm gonna be 100% honest. Unless the woman is incredibly unattractive given enough time there would be an attraction. The old saying "friends before lovers" is very true. I have had this argument with many girls before. It's funny how little they understand men. Or is it how much about men they do not with to see? I have had women view me as their best friend. I used common sense and did not act on my urges and kept up the act of being only interested in them as friends. I was not a friend. A friend does not want to rip your cloths off and make mad passionate love to you. The men I have met that were really good friends with women fell into 2 catagories. They were truly one of the girls (gay), or they were playing the wolf in sheep's clothing. I have yet to see anything that shows me anything different.