It is a simple fact that people everywhere are at a basis the same, but as a whole society and sub-societies like cities,states, and territories people are different and act a different way to different situations. Like here the North East are generally have a Democratic way of thinking and the South has a Republican way of thinking. And for Russia which has so many cultures and "countries within countries" makes what differences we have in America small in comparison. You say it just a preference, which type of Russian woman do you have a preference for? Mari provence? Tataar? to totally different areas with totaly different veiws, values and beliefs. Most people looking for Russians also consider Ukraine, Kazakistan, and all the others to be part of there preference to, and all those countries a different too. So it goes back, why not German? Italian? German and Russians are different but so are Russians and Kazakistans. But like the way I started off, all people at a basis are the same, the girl you meet from any country is going to be nice, funny, beautiful, caring, faithfulness. The main values of what a human male looks for. Is it just because finding a Russian women is easier purhaps? I certanly found that it is.....and even easier still to find a philipino, :-) they dont care what you look like as long as they can get the hell out of the Philipines :-)
By the way, Bastard_Kid is my pan-handle at work. :-)
Im a Pit Snipe.
Yes! People have main values, they are honest and dishonest and so on! I have born country called Soviet Union and I dont find any differences between me and my british boyfriend. Work? I work more than any british housewife from hes family. I personally dont find russians family values are so good, but what I know. From Alabama or Australia things seem clearer!
Bastard,
I think the answer to your question could be generalized by categorizing each country/region/city/town/village/cave according to how much each has been influenced by FEMINISM over the last few decades.
When you ask "why a russian/ukranian woman and not a german or italian one?" the most blatant difference I see among them is my hope that the FSU woman grew up unaffected or minimally affected by the curse of women's lib while at the same time retained a closely knit traditional family background.
I suppose I have always thought of Russians and East Europeans as dour and humourless, miserable and unfriendly. Funny how wrong your perceptions can be. My fiance told a friend(she doesn't know I know) that the english were haughty, serious and unfriendly, and although she has never seen it in the way I behave or treat her, she has this little feeling at the back of her mind that I may be. I spoke to a Polish woman at work the other day and she said that was her perception as well, I can't think of myself as being haughty:-))
Travel broadens the mind and breaks down national stereotypes.
With regards to the brothels of Europe being populated by Russian women, have you never heard of the sex traffic trade, some are conned and some seek a better way of life, they are using their God given talents, no more or less than a footballer or a model
Finally Tradman I got through to Liuba today by phone it was tough with out a translator, but she could speak some english and I did understand some partial sentences and phrases, all in all it was great to hear her voice and the warmth of her laughter, especially with all the other upheavel going on, like you said the phones were down. It cost me about $1.88 U.S for a fifteen minute call from my computer to her cell phone. The sound was very clear. Thanks for your help!
I spent 3 weeks in Russia, 1 in Moscow and 2 in Volgograd. I was treated courteously in both cities. One of the first things I noticed about Russians is their public face and private face. You will see their public faces in many of the girls photos and the average person on the street; a plain or even dour expression. In Volgograd, I was openly stared at. As an average American, I walked down the street with a big grin on my face that easily marked me as a foreigner.
But indoors, Russians become very friendly and open (often smiling and joking). It was a shocking contrast when my lady and I left my apartment and her expression immediately changed from a smile to a frown as we stepped out the door! I sometimes shake my head as I try to reconcile a girl’s dour expression in a photo and her statement to being a happy and cheerful girl. Intellectually I understand it, but it’s still hard to get past.
As for, Why Russian women? It’s an economically depressed country, there are more women than men, the men treat them poorly, ect. I doubt you would find so many women willing to move their entire lives to another country if these problems weren’t present. Yes some would, but eagerly, in the thousands?
philp3,
i can definitly relate to your observations. there i was walking the streets of kyiv like boy wonder with that big american smile and my tail wagging smiling at everyone and trying to get them to notice me a little to get a smile and hello back at me. forget it, it dont work like that over there . at least it did not for me. they did not know i was american because i did not dress like one . but i did get stares like ( is this guy nuts?)
another thing , you do not give hugs over there unless they have known you or do know you. good tip men. my interpretor told me that means your next move as far as the women is concerned is sexual. my first hugs i tried to give were not well received.
jmoluv p. s. and you are right about the straight poker face they give on the street but it fades away indoors. good observations
jmoluv: I'd like to meet your interpretor. Were you also the person who's interpretor pointed out that it is omething of a myth that Russian women are inherently attracted to older men? And that while younger Russian women could often be seen with older men sitting in BMWs or fancy restaurants - they are almosst never seen together on the busses or elsewhere in public? (Suggesting that wealth or the perception of wealth may play a bigger part in this attraction than might otherwise be supected).
If it was the same interpretor - I'd say you got quite a lot of insight along with your translation.
The public smile is often considered impolite in Russian. A Russian lady I dated told me that it suggests you might be laughing at other people you meet in public.
jetman,
i would like to forward you her number but i cant. we are actually an item. and it could be a conflict of interest. i hope you understand. she is a real trooper and local historian of every point of interest in kyiv. she knows all the folklore and superstitons of her people as well and points everything out . i do not beleive your question was about me and her. but from my obsevations kyiv is a very wealthy city. and yes, i saw plenty of the most beautiful college age ladys with much older men in luxury cars and the most swank establishments and restaurents. i first met her as she was my assigned interpretor at a social. she assistited me on dates but we fell for eachother. lol. i spent my next visit with her and i feel we will be together for christmas. she actually is a full time adoption agency worker traveling all over ukraine with american families through the whole process which takes weeks and they spoil her rotten . this is what scares me. she only freelances as an interpretor on a rare occasion . i met her by chance . she looks good.she is a wealth of knowledge for me about the fsu. just a phone call away.
jmo
jetman,
also you are right. i never did see a beautiful young women with an older man on a bus or the subways. why would they not be attracted to the older man/ they got the toys and the money which the younger men do not have. if you notice in the city there are only beat up taxis or brand new beamers, suv or mercedes. no middle range cost cars for middle income people because there are none. she said when free enterprise took over , all goverment officials who controlled everything made it all their private property and even stole the pension money from the citizens. just passing along her info.
jmoluv
I'm the guy who wrote about what my interpreter told me regarding the myth of young FSU girls who are more willing to date older men. Again its the perception of wealth you represent because you are a foreigner that makes them turn a blind eye to your age. Actually the local rich FSU man has a huge advantage over us. We will lose our girl to him everytime. Already the changes are happening in the FSU. Most of the young beauties have no desire to leave their country. Thus the local rich man is the logical choice for them. 5 years from now and this party is over guys. Get in now while you still can compete.
deanis,
it makes sense to me. i dont know about five years though. but as someone said before, maybe the bastard. but i have heard this, the whole russian continent is sitting on a gold mine of petroleum. and if it does erupt so will their economy and opportunities for them and no need to leave . what do you think.
jmoluv
I am glad you finally spoke to her Wess, it must help you build a better picture of her, funny how the voice almost never matches the way you imagine she will sound
You can see older rich guys and beautful young babes not in FSU, but in USA too!
What about smiling all the time, european people, especially north europeans dont go round smiling in the streets, people might think you are mentally handicap!!!
Ummm.... no....
I smile at everyone I pass. Tends to make them at ease. When I don't do it people tend to treat me as a threat which is usually ok with me but it does get to be irritating.
Trad:
Yeah I spoke to my lady for the first time this past weekend. She sounded better than what I imagined. She expressed wanted me to call her directly after that. so now we've talked everyday since Sat. It's a bit funny because her english is very limited and my Russian is almost nonexistant. But it's cool. She practices her english and I practice my Russian. I didn't notice but before we actually spoke she did not seem like a real person. Now that I have a human voice and personality to go with the emails and photos things have taken on a whole new feel. Not sure if you are following me. Anyways it's pretty damn cool. I feel more connected. Before this I felt a bit detached.
you are completely right. The very most of russian and ukrainian women are interested to marry to the west because of financial reasons.
Also the often described traditional values are just a nice story. Most of the russian ladies, which married to the west and which I knew, changed their habit rapidly soon after. It shows also the development for example in Moscow, where women tend to be much more westernized than in rural areas. Its ust a question of money and of time.
From my years lasting experience I also would like to confirm, that russians are very different in their behaviour outdoor and indoors. But anyway, I never meet people being more egoistic than russians. The social responsibility towards a person being in big problems is very underdeveloped.
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