WELL.. It seems l am part of the 20% that end in divorce. One thing for sure the next one will be from the slums. I made a mistake in marrying this woman who lived like a queen... please do not ask what job she had because she didn't work but still had all the gold and glitter of a Queen. Don't know, don't care !! But do know that you should all be careful with this site. I am looking into another site where they take scamming seriously and do not accept women who use canned replies... So maybe this site is not what it's meant to be.. Look in both directions before you decide to cross the road. One thing for certain is my soon to be ex-wife is not going to get one cent from me.. They will have to send me to hell before l give her anything.... I figure both trips to Moscow and then flying her and her daughter twice to Moscow to visit her family using business class cost me in excess of $50,000.... Be wary people...
FK
I am truly sorry for what has happened to you. I hope things are better in the future. Is interesting what you say and one of the reasons I stay away from Moscow and St Petersburg. When I eventually marry she had better enjoy coach plane travel. I can't afford business let alone 1st class. By the way did you have a prenup?
I would very much like to know more about this situation. However I don't mean to pry. My Ukrainian friend has told me much about Moscow and it has totally discouraged me from even thinking about a wife from there. They are a privileged society and it is dangerous hunting ground for a new wife.
Mind you I have come across all kinds of American women who think they are a queen.
firstknight, goodluck in making/finding website where you/someone will read all letters to make sure that they are not canned. I think elenas models fight scam very good, read their policies. nobody will make your home work. believe me, there will be always canned letters on any introduction/personal site. this site has all tools to recognize and ignore members who are not sincere. our company, have run, watched, and tech supported different sites for this industry for last 6 years. and, i think fiance.com system, is one of the best one for the clients. read womens forum they have the same concerns.
First,
Chalk it up to the "I made a poor choice and it cost me a bundle while it lasted" file.
You're still in the middle of the soup if you're not divorced yet and I undrestand your frustration and anger.
But fiance.com is not the cuprit for what happened to you with your Moscow woman.
It's simply unfair to the website to ask all the things you expect them to do for $29.95 per month.
I do not want them to consider your proposals and then have to pay the porportional fee increases to do something that I am perfectly able to do on my own, which is weeding out the freeloading princesses/queens from the honest fairplay women.
You might want to consider doing what Eddie Murphy said he'd do in his show "Raw"....get a russian version of UMFUFU, the naked zebra riding bitch...:)
And until you find your good woman..."Don't you choose the queen of diamonds, boy. She will beat you if she is able. The Queen of Hearts is always yours best bet.."
good luck to you. Do what you can to save your sense of humor.
amen Toad, what do people want for $30 per month?.....my fiance is meant to arrive tomorrow, just called her, she is at the airport changing her ticket, all she said was she is now flying via vienna and to call ger in 2 hours, think I will go ballistic if she changes the date
Trad,
I told you already, mate...she is traveling via vienna, madrid and los angeles (to see me first)...she'll get there to see you after we get acquainted and discuss this relationship with you over a plate of fresh oysters and a bottle of tequila...:)
Vienna you say? Bad luck Pal, that's the homestead of The Third Man... :))
A toad, an oyster and some tequila - sounds dogawful like a school-lab where dissections are the order of the day - Yukk! Try one better Toad, you'd give her the creeps.
Tomorrow? Then make a list of things to do before you pick them up, or do them now - if time will not fly kill it, and working works :)
Good luck!
lol....with regard to the original; post, there is nothing wrong with canned replies, my wife to be used them in her first two letter, if you get scammed, look to yourself and your own judgement, accept that it was your responsibility that you got scammed, learn from it and move on
Some of the women in the statistics are probably deliberately single parents after having realised that the government is a better provider than the husband they had. (e.g. women who divorce, but continue to produce offspring with different men, who are all losers - statistics hide individual details).
(Which is why statistics are of limited value here.)
Geri take your vitamin I was speaking to the roar of the crowd not my personal belief or political statement. It was purely satire. You have heard it before the rant and rave of "western" anything.
Izi I must agree with you on many counts. I have had very similar conversations with fsu women telling the same stories. Many have said that they just can not find anyone that will stand up and be a strong example of their "real man". It would seem that lying and cheating are very common as well with women too having many sponsors in some cases and still have marriages. Many seem to be looking for men that can love or be tender to them as well as making the hard desicions and providing a stable future for their family. I think it is part of the success rate you see is this as well as their strength to endure hardships.
Shaggy
I take it by sponsors you mean 'johns'. That is what I always took that to mean. In other words they are married but basically internationally hooking to make ends meet. I can see that there are women here that do that.
It is very nice to know that with the particular lady I am talking to right now she had a american fiancee already. He was obviously very wealthy. He had 2 daughters that were 22 and 27. They were living off Daddy's money and saw this new potential wife as a threat. They told her in no uncertain terms that they would make her and his life a misery. Eventually, even though she wanted to marry him she couldn't take it anymore and called it quits. I on the other hand have no ties and more importantly no money, LOL. Therefore if she is interested in me you know it is genuine. I have nothing but myself. This is more like it, a breath of fresh air after American women. It spells potential success and move over Tradman!
Yes Izi thats it exactly. Only with a few and not hundreds. Usually it woul seem they get an allowance and they visit a few times a year or month. More like a part time suggar daddy.
I think bottom dollar guys is we need to find a better way of communicating our expectations to them and them to us. In the end it is this dissillusion in expectations that results in divorce. I think it is human to try to find and concentrate on the good things and we justify to ourselves that this will not realy bother me or I am sure she will get better and it rarely does. Best bet is to be honest and strait forward with them (and yourself) and communicate freely. Of course there are still going to be those to take advantage of anyone in need be it money or love so as they say do be careful and use your best judgement.
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"...Best bet is to be honest and strait forward with them (and yourself) and communicate freely. ..."
Perhaps it is not appropriate to speak softly and carry a big stick, but you want to communicate in a friendly way, yet spell out what is not negotiable....
-and think about what to do if things turn out differently from what you planned...
If people think that the divorce rate of russian-western marriages is better than any other they need brain surgery. Oh yeah sure keep reading the "treasure chest" of information from sites that have a vested monetary interest..
I accidentally found a statistic for dutch males. with local girls about a percent a year. for eg girls 24% over a 10 year period then asian women then east block and (ex)cccp followed by south american women with 42% over the 10 year period. With a divorce rate of above 5% in the 4th and 5th year for east girls would indicate that some marriage swindel is going on but not excesivly so.
I think Bagira and Annika had a Vulcan mind melting session that created Vanechka.
I'm pretty sure that's what happened.
Vane,
what would you have us, mere mortal western men do?
Abandon the search entirely?...
Based on what?...
The odds are greatly in our favor to lead a happier life with a foreign woman than with a western one.
If the odds of getting divorced happen to be the same, I would still much rather take my chances with a younger, sleeker, sexier, light years more educated and skilled foreign woman than with the average american or western woman.
Now if the odds of getting divorced are greater than the conventional west/west marriages many of us would still find it worthy of taking the challenge with the younger, sexier, sleeker, more educated and skilled woman.
A mega dose of western optimism would do wonders for you, Vane.
I'm with you on this one Toad! The divorce rate here in the US is 75% for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th marriages. If that is the same rate as being married to a woman from the FSU, I'll gladly take the woman from the FSU and enjoy it while it lasts. I have nothing to back up this statement but I feel that the divorce rate is less than that when married to a FSU woman. I say this because I know of many more successful ones than unsuccessful. I could be wrong but I am still getting married soon and will do my best to make it work.
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