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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Feeback on fiance.com Author Post wmferg Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/8/2004 11:47:56 AM   Socials sound like they might be an interesting experiance. I am not sure I would feel comfortable in that atmosphere. I do know however that in my short time on this forum that 5 guys that I know of have found their spouses through letter writting and I can only think of Jet who has any real sucess through socials. I would admit that it may not be a fair comparison as most of the guys here are letter writters. GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/8/2004 12:04:32 PM   wmferg, There are different stages of the east-west relationship process and everyone here in one of them. And if that wasn't complex enough, every one of us also determines the appropriate length for each of the stages from the moment we select a woman's profile till to the day we marry and sign all our earthly posessions away (non-prenup) That's why you will find so many different opinions and experiences among the men here. toad shaggy47435 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/8/2004 12:09:25 PM   I have yet to find a woman that I write that thinks well of the socials. Everyone of them has told me they are degrading and they do not like being treated as catle. I am sure there are exceptions but in almost all cases where it has come up the women I write to not want anypart of them. GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/8/2004 12:33:09 PM   Shaggy, of course... How would you like it if YOU had to compete with 500 men to be noticed by any of 40-50 available women? The trade off, however, is that western men are the ones who make the effort and spend the cost of visiting the ladies' countries. Most women would like you to make that same effort and spend the same amount to visit just her. I have asked every one of the women I like the same questions: "...Please try to be fair and tell me why I, or any other man should consider visiting only one woman when we can visit and meet 100s? Keep in mind that I'm not a filthy rich man in my country and cannot leave my work to make many trips every year to visit several women..." On the other hand, if you chose to correspond and phone talk with one particular lady over several months, like I have done, it makes perfect sense to come visit just her. toad jmoluv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/8/2004 1:08:10 PM   wmferg,shag sounds to me like a roomful of fsu honies would intimidate you? come on now, where is your sense of adventure? i have met and have become very close with a few i have met (in person). are you scared to meet a women face to face for the first time who you never corresponded to. shag everything you have said about socials is third had parinoia and watered down information. i have been to them, they are fantastic.i dated women straight from the socials. me and jet have experience in that subject , nothing even came close to what you men are trying to describe as something you must fear. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/8/2004 2:42:45 PM   Wmferg: You are right that this forum is naturally dominated by letter writers and its unlikely that you will find many in this population who have experienced Socials (though jmoluv has). Nearly everyone who I have ever met who has gone to one (including kmoluv) describes it as the "time of their life". There are a few exceptions to be sure. I have met a few older (60's) "portly" balding guys who looked exclusively for beautiful 18 year old women to fall at their feet. Not going to happen. But if you even have a semi-realistic view of how it could be (like mine for instance) it can be great. (((I have to admit "semi-realistic" maybe surreal best describes my situation. I'm 47, 6'2" about 200 pounds (give or take 5), no belly and with all my hair, not rich but okay, over educated, did I mention 47 freaking years old???? And I still get gorgeous 20 to 23 year olds. If that aint semi-realistic and surreal I don't know what is.....))) It IS a fairly humiliating experience for the ladies, some of whom have traveled for six hours to get there and they may never be spoken to. And OF COURSE there are hookers - but I think we are even finding that now among the letter writers. You might be surprised to discover this but i am not generally a social butterfly either. Yes, I know, hard to believe but its true. And yet it was amazing how quickly I learned to adapt and even like being the center of attention along with my fourteen compatriots is a bevy of 200 to 250 beautiful different girls every night. And just like at an auction where the feeding frenzy causes competition among buyers to pay exhorbinanat prices sometimes for worthless junk. These beautiful women find it natural to compete with each other for the prize (you). That's not eneough to sustain a relationship by itself oc course, but for the night, it sure doesn't feel BAD!! wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/8/2004 3:08:29 PM   jetmba, this is the best pitch so far of a social. Even my self now feeling very jealous never had one :) I had you down for 37, I thought you said 37 in a post a long time ago. In the socials did you see any younger men? I am wondering what was the age range and the average. shaggy47435 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/8/2004 3:10:57 PM   Yes I agree with you guys but I think the difference is in our thought processes. I have never had the privilage of women fighting over me so I must say it is very new to me to date more than one person at a time. Just a difference in value base and thought process. Trust me I welcome the contact and even enjoy meeting them. I just find it hard to choose...lol. I am one that really likes to think about my decisions and yes having 200 to choose from would maybe short me out a little. Again I understand it must be grand but again for someone limited in there time and travels I still hope to make contacts with the people I have writen to. If it does not work out I will be at a social in no time if not just at the local hangouts. I guess I just hold too many western ideas about women competing. Most thourobreads are a little high strung. I tend to find myself with the more reserved types that maybe have not found pleasure in making men jump through hoops quite yet. I think in a way thats why I don't expect them to jump through hoops for me either. As far as afraid...no I have faced the devil herself and I fear no woman. Her atorney may be a different story but so far I am the victor...lol. I guess to me the are both valuable tools. Again I think the writing is a good way to get started forming expectations and experiencing a little of the culture and what you are getting into. Again for the night I am sure it is great but for the long haul I think you have a better foundation with some letters first. Again maybe just preference here. As far as the third hand parinoia thing I think that is what this forum is based on so until I am there thats all I got! wmferg Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/8/2004 3:30:28 PM   Like I mentioned above Jet, it does sound like an interesting experience. In my case when I started on this endeavor a year ago, it seemed like the more expensive way to go. As things turned out for me I am glad it took the letter-writing path, as I would have never met my “intended”. The subject of socials came up while I visited her and she said she would never attend one as she thought only prostitutes (her words not mine) went to those. Personally as a child I was never able to make a decision as to what piece of candy to chose from the display case. I’m sure I would have the same difficulty on a social. :-))) shaggy47435 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/8/2004 3:50:56 PM   wtrav, I have not been myself but the general thought is mid to upper 30s is prime time for American men to find russian wives. I am not sure on the ones here but others have put the average age more in Jets area. Mid 40's (range of mid 30's to upper 50's) of course this is from information I gathered at the major sites offering such socials. (I have researched them very heavily!) I have found video of folks from every age group and size all claiming it was the time of their life...go figure. Kind of like McDonald's, their lovin it! jmoluv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/8/2004 4:16:49 PM   shag and company, i will tell you exactly what drove me to a social. four months of receiving canned letters. shag , the women i met and dated there were not pissed off because they felt like cattle, they were mad because there were not enough cowboys there to round em up. shag i identify totally with your sentiments on this sight. my averages speak for me, for letter writing. so far one year of writing 500 letters hand crafted by me . and no one to call mama. q.c., i was releived to read you have your own limit of receiving canned letters after you said they do not bother you. i was ready to forward all of mine to you plus a whole collection of comic books. the average age of men at my socials was mid 30 to mid fifties. shag if you go to one, everything you have experienced with fiance is water under the bridge. trust me. QuietCharm Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/8/2004 4:20:39 PM   Hi Jet I had read it but forgot. Thanks for the reminder. Will use it when the time comes.. should guarantee me exclusivity ;-) Toad Don't you think your criteria are pretty narrow? MUST sign a pre-nup.. MUSTN'T cost you any money up front? There is a huge difference between sending a few dollars to someone to help with email costs and establishing dependency. You are correct. Helping out is not my responsibility but my choice, which I exercise freely. It's a judgement call. Most of these women have NO disposable income. If I get burned I will not complain. It's part of the risk. 'No Risk, no champagne'. And who is paying for the phone calls, and the vacation together. Her? I don't think we are 'diammetrically opposed'. We just don't agree with each other! ;-)) GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/8/2004 4:28:38 PM   Jet & Jmov, You have both recently and in the past referred to a certain number of "hookers" attending the socials. I assume this is partly the cause why these socials may have a poor reputation among the locals, if any. But what are the rules of thumb to ID the hookers at a social from the ladies who are serious about their reasons to be there? I'm sure they do not wear bagdes describing their profession..:) In Las Vegas they are easy to spot. Is it the same in FSU? toad wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/8/2004 5:00:13 PM   GL TALL TOAD, I dated once a girl in Ukraine who turned out to be one of these girls who are looking for sponsorship by foreigners or locals (type of hooker you can say). She was regular in socials of 3 different companies, one was AFA. They actually called her on her cell to invite her to a social while we were dating in Kiev. She was very proud she got the call, apparently there is a lot of demand for these parties and it is kind of a privilige to be phoned and invited. My take is that the companies that organize the socials want the hookers in blended with the other girls. The hookers are usually young, pretty, outgoing, may even speak English, perfect for a party type environment. The tour companies want the parties to be successful and some hookers help in that regard. I never attended a social because I chose not to do so. I found ridiculous to pay for this kind of thing. As you said, Vegas is here, no need to cross the Atlantic. Of course as it was said there are many who took the chance and loved it, nothing wrong with that. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/8/2004 5:08:16 PM   Toad: The problem is that there are two types of hookers. There are the conventional type that just want your attention for the evening - and they may or may not try to rob you when they are finished. Of course the majority will be honest hookers and consider it a simple business transaction. The other type are the ones that are most dangerous however. Russian women can be very convincing. And some will lead you on for sponsorship. Is that hooking? By my definition it is. Trad: I am 47. Used to be 46, a year or so ago ;) but haven't been 37 in a decade (darn). Of the fifteen guys at my particular Social I would say that five were younger than I am. One was all of 19! The other four (younger than I) were probably 27 to 35. the nine or so who were older than I was ranged from their upper forties to about 65. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/8/2004 5:18:14 PM   Toad: You've probably heard stories of floor-ladies in big hotels in the FSU. I have never stayed at a hotel like that but i understand that they are aware of your coming and going in detail. I also understand that as soon as you arrive and are settled you are likely to get a call asking if you want "Company". Guess that is in case you didn't find anyone to your liking at the Socisl. EVERY hotel bar I was at - the hookers were quite obvious. And speaking of the suggestion that ONLY hookers attend the Socials as one lady mentioned above said. I was dating a Russian woman here in the US when I went (yes I know that sounds strange but my trip had already been booked and was nonrefundable). She insisted that she did not want me to go to Odessa because the whole CITY was populated by prostitutes. And according to her the guys were all drug dealers. Well I HAD to go to see THAT. GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/8/2004 5:29:08 PM   qc, My criterias are far from narrow, considering the general goal I seek to fulfill...But they are crystal clear to any woman in whom I may have some or a lot of interest. The choice you exercise is not FREE. You pay good money for it. And it does create financial dependency, because like you said "these women (the ones you correspond with) have NO disposable income." In other words, you will always have to wonder if these women would chose to write to you or not if you suddenly stop paying them money to stay in contact with you. After all, you set up the pay for her letters dependency early in your correspondence, correct? The thought opens a pandora box of disfunctional mutual dependency that we better leave untouched (for now...:) I normaly don't give a rat's ass how anyone else choses to spend, invest, save or waste his time and money...but this particular topic bugs me because of the false sense of wealth it projects about the western man in general and the american men in particular. I'm sure I get much less mail from FSU women than most here or in other sites because either in my profile, chats or early correspondence I always say: "I hope you do not think of me as another american man with a large plantation full of 'money trees'....because I am not one of them" As I said many times, "No Tiene La Culpa EL Chancho Por Ser Chancho, Sino El Que Le Da De Comer" toad shaggy47435 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/8/2004 5:58:24 PM   Yes jet its starting to sound like home....lol. Prostitutes, drug dealers and companions oh my! lol shaggy47435 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/8/2004 6:01:44 PM   Toad I usually tell them upfront as well that though I live comfortably and meet the needs and wants of my family I have no plans on the jetset life but one of simple pleasures. Not as dramatic but I seem to be holding my own mail wise. I have had to explore the deffinition of generousity a few times though? felicedate Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/8/2004 6:21:50 PM   Yes, guys, I am looking at you for about a year and most people on this forum are a bit strange... It is like falling on the ground before somebody and shouting "Help me! He is killing me." You know, hundreds of you guys have come through my agency, and you Gustavo, and you Jeofrey. You are all the same, begin writing to a decent girl, close to your age and feel happy. But then a charming birdie of 18-20 writes some sweet crap to you and you melt like snow in warm weather. Do you need a daughter or a wife, sir? You shout: "Why don't they give us their e-mails? I wanna piss off this site and I am a smart guy to save 30 bucks when she will write to me personally!" You know, there are 70 girls in my agency. And only some 10 of them just know what IS E-MAIL! Should they? Their task is to sattisfy you in bed, cook a tasty dinner and be good mother for your kids! You shout! Oh you are with the agency! I will not write to you! Have you thought that we at least ask our clients for passports and know where they all live? yes we censor letters, we ask them to write through the agency but it is our bread and believe me not easy bread. All right if you a Premium then it pays somehow but some of you write HUNDREDS letters which makes a cost of one letter just funny. tell me, how much will a translation of one page from Russian into English cost in the UK? I know the cost. Will you agree to pay my interpreters this price for every letter? No you don't want this. You want "private e-mail". You know, at the entrance of our office we have a big instruction hanging on the wall "It is strictly forbiden to ask for money in your letters!" And we look for it. Gustavo, do you really think that you will spoil your lady too much by sending her some present? You know, I know many guys from the forum, but I have never seen any of you sending some flowers through us to our clients. Just coinsidence I think, but believe me that some guys are used to sending every letetr accompanied with a small flower arrangement. Expencive? Gustavo, I imagine how much you earn... And you are so touched when another "scammer" says good buy to you when you just send a post card to her on birthday and that guy sends a marvelous gift? No guys, you are too smart. You want to cheat everyone around, cheating yourself finally. 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