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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Travel From Moscow to Cheboksary Author Post socalboy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/29/2004 12:17:47 PM   Hey guys, I just remembered another thing. I have been looking for a Russian/English dictionary that spells the Russian words in English. As you know, most of them show the English word, then they show the Russian word in Cyrillic. Is there such an animal out there? My hottie writes pretty decently with the use of a translator,but I'd like to wow her a bit using a few Russian words. I've been to Barnes and Noble and it's strictly English/Russian (Cyrillic)translation. Am I barking up the wrong tree? Late, Socalboy Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/29/2004 1:24:24 PM   Socal, you want to send her money? Really? The 'few bucks' you talk about is a month's wages there, just know it. If your aim is to have her phone I'd send her a phonecard, possibly via the web even (search yourself, but there's a few threads here with info on this). This way you don't send cash/money but have spent it already, in a hardly-redeemable form also, lots better I'd say. She does not have a phone - possible, really it is. But if it is it is also a bit exceptional - may I ask if you posess her address? Her street's address I mean, not a postal box? And if so, have you sent flowers with a check-up included? Quite possible to have this done, this site can assist you, and it is money well spent if you're in doubt. And by reading your posts here I would be let me tell you. Ptichka may even be helpfull (if she wants, I'm forcing nobody!) by checking if a telephone on that steetaddress exists, ie if she's talking the truth. This checking can be done by phone as well as via the net I think, but it can be checked. Russian can be written using Latin characters however it depends who's writing hence it varies, and more spellings can be correct. This is the reason why you quite likely will not find this kind of denotation, neither in books or online translators. But hey, I'm open for suggestions proving me wrong here, please :) scottlf Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/29/2004 1:46:26 PM   Socal, Why do you want a latinized version of a Cyrillic word, anyway? If you want to sent her something in Russian, it should be in her natively read form. All your likely to do if you latinize it is make it harder for her to read on top of decoding grammatical structure. To be honest, the only problem I have had with Russian/English dictionaries is the lack of pronounciation hints. That's just me. I really think the best thing you can do is first learn cyrillic. Dedicated study will have this done within a week. If you then want to write something to here, and need a Cyrillic enabled input method, use something like below if you don't have a Cyrillic map for your keyboard. http://www.uni-bonn.de/~manfear/cyrlatencoder.php Co nversely, if you really want to convert Cyrillic type letters to Latin style, you can use this. (and vice versa) http://www.uni-bonn.de/~manfear/cyrlatencoder.php They are complete different alphabets, so don't expect the conversions to be correct in all cases. (I.E. there is not a single one to one mapping) scottlf Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/29/2004 1:48:09 PM   Whoops, I mean use this for entering Cyrillic letters. http://www.yandex.ru/keyboard_qwerty.html socalboy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/29/2004 4:25:36 PM   Thanks "beyond" Thunderdome. I'll check into a phone card for her via the web. I do have her address, but it's p.o. box. I will inquire about a street address where she lives. I've been wanting to send her flowers and have asked if her mail comes to her house or to a post office box. For some reason or other she forgets to to answer that question. Instead she telling me how much she already loves me.....so, I'll have to ask her once again. But on the bright side, she cool with me coming out to see her Cheboksary. As for the Russian language, I'm going to pass on writing in her native language until we actually meet, then I'll take a look at learning it. First things first. Late. Socalboy...........ps scott, thanks for the stuff....I'm sticking with English for awhile! Stranger Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/29/2004 4:48:25 PM   socalboy, if she is not have a phone (heh it's really strange ), u can call to the post offise, or she can give u a number of grandma/neigbor/frend or someone who have phone. my poiny of wiev-if u wont to speak with someone - u do this socalboy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/29/2004 5:06:37 PM   Stranger, so you think it is out of the ordinary for a person not to have a phone in Cheboksary? I'm guessing it's very expensive to have one I guess. But that's a great suggestion regarding calling another relatives house to speak with her. I'll have to write her about that. In the meantime I've checked into obtaining a calling card for her. They're pretty reasonable. 20 cents a minutes. Thanks again Stranger, Late, Socalboy scottlf Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/29/2004 5:08:19 PM   Socal, She's never met you and is stating how much she loves you AND she gave you a post office box? Frankly, I would doubt her sincerity. Regarding the language, I would start learning it right away. If she is really serious about you, knowing some Russian will better indicate to her how serious you are. She will be bringing her culture into your relationship, and you should be willing to accept that. Language is certainly part of that. I agree with Stranger that you should actually talk to this person before you go there. Your last comment would have me be very wary of the whole situation. Lastly, once you go there, beware the emotional trap of euphoria. Sorry I sound so pessimistic, now, but alarms are going off about this girl. GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/29/2004 6:22:47 PM   Scott, There is nothing pessimistic about warning a forum newbie about obvious signs of potential deception or blatant red flags. Men should be able to handle warnings meant to help them, regardless of the delivery form. SoCal, DO PAY ATTENTION, boy! NEVER send any money to anyone you have not met in person (and her family)...even in the form of English lessons, calling cards or ATM cards. If you do and become another victim of a scam you'll have nobody but yourself to blame...100% Good luck. toad socalboy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/30/2004 3:22:49 AM   Hey Scott, I totally understand your concerns. I'm just telling what's she telling me. In travels, which have been many...I've dated women from New Zealand, Australia, Spain, etc just to name a few. So I've been used to a long distance thing. Believe me that's why I want to meet this babe to see if she's putting me on. Her letters to me are really warm and touching. Again, I'm going to see it played out. She already agreed that it would be best to come to her city Cheboksary. At this time, I have spent no money on her after 3 plus weeks of e-mailing her. She has been written everyday for 21 days.....and not a few paragraphs, but sometimes two pages and always at least one. As for the p.o. box.....I'm going to hit her up about a home address. Everyone seems to be skeptical of the fact I've only received a p.o.box number. You all seem to think that is a "major red flag". So I'm grateful for another tidbit to be concerned about. I do want to talk with her. I have given her my phone number. I think the least I can do is send her a $20 phone card so we can converse. I don't see that as a major investment. Don't worry that would be all that I would spend until I did indeed receive a call from her. Anyhow, Could this woman love me without me meeting me in person.....maybe, maybe not. We've exhanged some pretty nice letters with each other. Again, Scott and Toad....I'm a wiser man over the last 3 days that I've joined the forum.....mucho thanks, Socalboy Stranger Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/30/2004 3:58:24 AM   socalboy , what type of phone cadd u want to send? is it work in cheboksary? Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/30/2004 4:38:50 AM   Stranger & Socal, Here’s something you two could team up for! Socal, yes, there's not one but several red flags you've mentioned. In the relatively short period U2 communicate you’ve come to like this girl, and apparently she says she loves you. Whether the latter is possible I’ll leave up to you, but suffice to say that you want to meet because you like each other. But let’s face it, what you know of her is only from her letters. She says she’s been in the US (not funny but exceptional), you’ve got no address of her which she ‘forgets’ to give you (possible but only funny I hope), you haven’t spoken to her because she does not have a phone (at least funny), and you don’t seem to mind sending her a ‘bit’ of money, an attitude you probably have displayed to her as well? If $50 is a months wages $10, which is small-change to you, is a week’s remuneration! Yeah, I know you could not care less for such amount, but IF she is a scammer she will, make no mistake. And IF you have displayed a generous attitude already there might be more to come for her, and she also knows that. But why do you want her to phone you? That’s the other way around if you ask me, never mind the cost. You phone her, just let her give you a number & time/date, and I would be adamant in doing this. Of course there will be language problems, you said she’s using a translator for her mails, but the least you could do is try. And when you do I would have some questions ready pertaining to the mails you’ve sent, just to check if this IS the girl you’ve been writing to. Phones are almost as usual as they are here. Chances are she lives in an apartment-block, and there are phones present, trust me. Maybe not in her room but not far away, and these phones are normally ‘socially shared’, plenty use them because plenty stay in that block of flats. The address she’ll give you will have dual numbers – first is the street-address (entire block), the second is the individual flat’s number on that address (which may be shared). Your first priority is to get that address, and once you’ve got it I would send flowers + check-up immediately. THAT is money well spent Socal, really it is, especially when you want to risk visiting her, wagering time & money. But also I would get that telephone number and trace where she phones from, and here Stranger could come in. Stranger, you were looking to provide some services for those visiting your country. As I’ve said some might want to use them and some not, but others (Socal?) might want to hire you for doing some research. You’ve displayed an entrepreneurial attitude, so why not adapt a bit? You could easily phone and find out the details once you’ve got the (alleged) address and telephone number(s). Not doing specialized detective work by any means, but just using existing services you are used to. Think it over and maybe you’ll see more opportunities to help guys like Socal? Socal – get that address! If she really loves you she will give it, and ask it in a separate mail so she can’t gloss over it! Also insist (another mail) on her giving you a telephone number you can phone to, with a date and time – and make sure you’ve got the time-differential correct! I would contact Stranger and negotiate some help with verification from him once you’ve got these details, but also I would use this site’s services to send flowers with a check-up connected, possibly a photo also. Have you at any moment considered the fact that you might have been talking to a male, and if you’re not doing anything you’re going to visit him?? Stranger Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/30/2004 9:07:51 AM   Thunder, thanx for the advertising))) Socal, I can try to help, U can email me with your question's,and I told U what I can do for U socalboy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/30/2004 12:22:35 PM   Hey Stranger, I'll send you some info.....hopefully you can help me! Socalboy Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/30/2004 12:22:59 PM   Another thing Socal, you say she sends you mail daily. You know where from? If it is an I-cafe then that is costly for her. $2 per hour I think is roughly the going rate, and daily visits will add up, not only in money spent but time also. In contradiction to what you seem to think phone-lines are abundant, and having access to the net from home a lot do via a pre-paid system. Such a dial-up is more affordable than regular visits to an I-cafe, but you know that then also a telephone is present. Basically, when she says she's using an I-cafe for daily correspondence to you then that is possble but costly for her, relationally very even. I would consider this as another possible warning sign. If she mails from home she's got a line, and then she simply lies. No idea how you get your mail, but normally there is an IP-number attached to messages. A dial-up apparently is dynamic hence the IP varies every time one calls in, but an I-cafe connects different hence should have a constant one, tracable to a location. If anyone reading here is more clued-up about this come to the fore? I also could do with a link/site for tracability as well as a bit of info on how this IP-thing works. socalboy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/30/2004 1:30:15 PM   Scott and Thunderdome, Thanks again for the info and concern. Well, things definitely took a "turn for the weirdness". Yesterday, My Russian cutie, got her purse snatched from.....as she said, "decent, young man". According to her, she was grabbed by her scarf and snatched her purse with all of her earnings for December. She was pretty bummed out. I guess New Years is a big deal for them in Russia. There's a lot gift giving going on was upset she won't have the money for presents for her mum and dad. But also, she's disappointed that now she has no money to write me from the internet cafe. Then, this is where my "heartstrings" get pulled, she told me, "not to be afraid, I won't ask you for money". Then she also said that she doesn't know how she will pay for internet usage. I don't know what internet cost are in Russia. In my travels they can be reasonable, except in England, but anywhere else, Australia, Japan, Korea, New Zealand....I can get on for about anywhere from 1.00 to 2.50 usd for an hour. She genuinely seems bummed out. What makes this harder is the fact that I let her know in my last letter that I wanted her street address, since I already have her p.o. box. I wanted to let her know that I was going to send her flowers (not really), but needed a street addrees because florist don't deliver to a p.o. box. Also, hit on her for a number that I could call her at......ie, Grandparent, Aunts/Uncles, girlfriends, etc. Scott, originally I wanted to call her, but SHE was the one that asked for my phone number. So, my thinking was that she had a calling card. She does speak decent English according to her. It's her writing that she has to use the translator.....A week and half ago. I try to set it up for her to call me....had the times and date and then she said she had no money to call. That's when I thought I'd get get a $20.00 callling card from Russia to the US. It's about an hours worth of minutes. I'm not cheap skate by any means. If she doesn't call, big deal I'm out $20 bones, but It's worth it to see if I'm talking to a girl or guy. Scott, I have received 4 pictures form her.....so, on that note she's giving me the appearance she is a girl. I guess one can never tell. But now with her "drama" from yesterday my "questions" never got answered. So, trying to be sensitive to her needs......if indeed this did happen, when will it be appropriate to ask her these questions again???? I hate to go F.B. I. on her......or is that what she's hoping I won't do. The intrigue is killing me. Again, she's not affiliated with FIANCE.COM. She contacted me through Matchmaker. com. What keeps me around is....1. she's flat out gorgeous....ask Stranger, sent him a picture. 2. She writes with a real passion about life. 3. she's written me 22 straight days without missing. Not just short few paragraphs, but mainly 1 to 2 pages. 4. She wants me to meet her in her hometown of Cheboksary.....so you can see it's a dilemma, what to believe and what not believe. Either she's sincere.....or she's great actress. It's 50/50 chance, right? Late, Socalboy Dale E Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/30/2004 1:48:31 PM   She's a great actress. Stranger Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/30/2004 1:57:07 PM   Internet costs about 1$ per hour. I dont undestend,she is dont see u, but she is writet u avery day and luv u.My point of wiev, if i need something wery much-I written every day, If I not have a money, I write U about this, U undestend me , and I write u one time in 3 days.That a real econome, is it? Socalboy,I send U email.Chek't Stranger Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/30/2004 2:10:21 PM   one more thing. she is ask fo money,U promise to send it? scottlf Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/30/2004 2:50:37 PM   Socal, I feel for you, but I really think you are being taken for a ride. Again, these are just my opinions. You can try looking through the scammer websites. This can be time consuming and still not be definitive, either. That might night even be her pictures your seeing, IF it's actually a her doing this. You have plenty to be concerned over. Having actions like "being robbed" or "grandmothers in the hospital" etc. are normally preludes to being hit up for money. Even speaking out against you giving her money can just be a ploy to make you think she's legit. If she was truly robbed, she can be traumatized to the point of not answering all your questions, either. Anyway, I would think if you send her another letter and she responds back in the period you are used to, then how did she have money to use the cafe? Of course, she will have an excuse, like her friend let her use her terminal time, etc.j My initial recommendation is just be upfront and honest about your apprehensions. There is a history of such behavior you can look up from other scammers, and it can be reasonable to be concerned about this. Try to get answers to your questions. If you are really paranoid, try creating a new profile and bogus e-mail address (hotmail or yahoo), and try sending messages to her as if you are someone brand new interested in her and see what happens and if the stories jive between both of you. Unless these letters you have been sending are interactive, I am pretty positive they will be almost carbon copies of letters you have already received. She can still be legitimate, but I personally doubt it. 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