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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Down But Not Out Author Post Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/2/2005 2:53:22 AM   Turner, not turns, Tina for you Izi. You find it perfectly OK to dish out opinions as well as global generalisations, but when I give you my personal mine on you you seem unable to handle that and turn into a M, see above. Worse, you post your opinion & reasoning about her here, in the same breath also mentioning that you won't even tell her herself. Mene mene tekel ufarsin. Scoring? Yeah, I'm fond of that, consider it my life's aim. Looks like Toad also did, but if you think one does it with one's dick you're just a bit off-track, some call it one track minded. But hey, don't feel bad about me ramblings, after all I'm just a vulgar idiotic bore who's glued on his soapbox in from of the telly. Spot on btw, only I've never owned a tv. Una capuche con panne Toad, no foamed milk for me. And you're most welcome to come hack in my backyard, irrespective of which one you choose. Hey, if you'll stike blueground containing garnets we'll split the revenue and score it big. Aww, maybe I shouldn't have used that word, I run the risk of being exposed as gay also here. If you & her ever plan to visit my current yard, when pining for an even better climate than you're used to for instance, be my guest. Roaming the field just might take on an exciting new meaning when coming from the densely populated area you live in. GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/2/2005 8:41:21 AM   Thanks for the invite, TD....but I have it from various reliable sources not to dare roam your country's fields or asphalt without proper security escort, least the 'aid raider' gangs make minced meat out my poor toadish arse. Go ahead, TD...praise your homecountry's lifestyle and socio-economic current events. I'll run your comments by my neighbor Marge and others from 'Zdafrika' while I have a gloss of 'molk'..:) I'm on the fence on one thing, TD. please clear it up for me, will you? When you 'score', do you paint the target circle before or after you shoot your arrow? Most western men these days do it after. toad izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/2/2005 9:04:20 AM   He he. I didn't even read all your post Td, I didn't have to. You'll get over it take a couple of aspirins and lie down for while. That high blood pressure will be the death of you. izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/2/2005 9:41:55 AM   I think I need to put here either a caveat or something to explain a little further. First thing sort of for TD's reading pleaure. I did not go over with the intention of "scoring" which generally means getting laid with no strings. I went to meet a potential wife. Toad do you remember that conversation we had on the plane? I told you that I was not going with any expectations of sex? That if it happened it happened? Well Marina made sure it happened, she drove it, she made it possible, it was her idea. I was ambivalent about it. Grateful but ambivalent. It is not really the call of a man but the lady I believe. Next the hospitality thing. I think this is important. I talked to my friend Sergey about the conditions that I was given "hospitality". He told me that hospitality is a huge thing in FSU. People go out of their way to make a guest feel welcome. To feel at home. A good example is the trouble that Lena's mother went to to provide Toad with a wonderful meal at her house. This is typical. My friends opinion of what happened to me was that this was not typical Russian hospitality it was bizarre and he had never heard of that before. I have not explained everyhting that happened and I will not but belive me it was off center. As for having fun there it was a very up and down thing. Yes I have told how I busted my head open and appears like fun but there was more, much more. It was not all fun. It was generally painful. very painful. I think this has been missed by some of the posters here. I really care about this woman right up to this minute, and yet I know through past experience and logic that it isn't going to work. I have had to let it go when every part of me wants to jump on a plane and see her again. I probably will write to her and close all this, you all have made good points on this. However you don't know Marina's character I do. This is her way. Silence. She has done some thinking also and decided to let me go. I can tell. So she has not written to me since last Wednesday evening. That is not normal for her. She promised me a longer letter the next morning but nothing. Of course nothing, she has let this go. To be honest a closing letter is redundant. I think that many of you have the wrong idea about what happened. Perhaps need to read my posts again in more detail. My feelings about where I live, possibley going back to Europe (not England) are irrelevant. As is my financial disposition. I received an email from someone today who is going back for the 4th time. He was saying that this is such an effort. It is expensive, a brutal journey and with no guarantee of success. And yet he is going, as I will again and many of you will. So it is not just me that considers the financial aspect of this endeavour. It is a stretch for many of us I think. Nor everybody is independantly wealthy and can hop on a plane from America or Australia without a second thought as to the price of the ticket. It is serious money. Just because there are a lot of nice emails and pictures exchanged there is no guarantee of success. It is very much a hit or miss thing. A thousand things can go wrong. Unfortunately I hit many of those snags. Never the less I don't regret a second of it. I learned many things and the experience has already yielded positive results with my future efforts. I know some things to avoid. I can't write all the little things and nuances of the trip here. You guys will have to trust me that I was honorable and did the right thing. My thoughts and reactions since my return are what most of you would have done in my shoes. In fact I know from those that I have spoken to privately about this tha I would be considered very moderate. So thanks for your input but let's keep a sense of proprtion about this. You don't know all the details trust me. IceChaos Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/2/2005 10:14:12 AM   You are right that we don’t know all the details and you certainly have the right to keep such details to yourself. I am getting ready to go in May and I don’t know what to expect. I have my doubts and suspicions but at this point I am committed to the journey no matter what happens. Many of you have ‘crossed the bridge’ and found what you were looking for. If I am lucky things will go swimmingly. Of course I can’t swim which could be an omen. I do have a backup plan but that will come later. Ice GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/2/2005 10:16:04 AM   Hats off to you, Izi. Be very careful, people... Don't let my current happiness, exhuberance and first stage success from my Siberia trip trick you into beleiving it's a done deal for me and I can now ride into the sunset of marital bliss...Horseshit! The ride has just begun for us. And the only permanent relief (hopefully it will remain so) is that I do not have to spend any more time reading/writing anyone's e-mails but those shared with Lena. Everything else now switches to the myriad of other chores needed to bring my princess here. (Second Stage) Whether you process the fiance visa yourself or with the help of an attorney YOU and your lady are responsible for collecting all the info needed to produce the magic package the Migra will look at with their not so benevolent microscope. Ever since I came up with my original plan, I knew this is the stage I'd hate the most. And I do. It is by far the most difficult. And it just begun for me, damn it. You're emotionally involved, you do not have the satisfaction or gratification of direct physicalcontact with her and you still have to jump though a gazillion hoops to move forward for the morbid pleasure of having to wait for months before you can finally embrace again, this time in your hometown. Then the adjusting to "life with a Toad" begins for this poor creature. Third stage. And if you think she is the only one doing the adjusting, you have another thing coming. Trad/Crash/Frans and others who have gone or are going through this right now...I wish you'd post more about your own stories to help those of us barely starting. Damn, this feels like going to marital High School. No matter whether we're a freshman or a senior, we're always looking ahead with anxiety and a little envy of those ahead of us..:)) toad Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/2/2005 12:18:10 PM   Scoring: I cannot remember having used that word here in the derogative sense it very clearly must have in the US, and very definitely it does not have this meaning at all in that post Izi referred to (I remember it, can't find it, and clearly many took it wrong). If my fetish would be foreign there are plenty of imported nationalities here at escort-agencies, including the Russian. There'd be no need to go abroad and bonk my brains out, and economically it would be most inefficient. Talking of the latter, and to answer you Toad, we all are taking very long shots here. In fact they're so long that, as soon as the target circle has been defined & drawn, one can't see it. That is why I think the aiming-part (your First Stage) takes so long, it needs to be to fine-comb the target. Hunting for multiple targets simultaneously is not very clever aside from ineffective, and it takes a certain personality to be able to divide one's emotional attention, definitely not me. At the end of your Stage One a shot is taken, and one has to go over to see the result. I myself have never even considered a 'backup-plan' other than playing the tourist, after all this country is new territory with new things to be learned in heaps and bounds. And learning I did, finding the target having moved to another country, a big miss. She's quite happy there, and I quite happily played tourist and learned an astonishing lot, from interpersonal relations, making friends to how easy it is to score (yes, with me willy). I don't care what 'most' western men do Toad, for I know precisely what I want, and I know I will find it too. However, if during the finecombing-stage the comb sticks the target invariably becomes vague, and searching for a new target is normally the consequence. Regarding your reliable sources keep in mind that they arrived during what what called the Brain Drain. They lost financially half of what they would have gained by arriving now, simply due only to an economic resurge foreseen and expected by nobody, however very real. Yes, crime is very real here too, but ahem, you originated from South America hombre? Then you also know how you learn to live with it, and certain Do's and Don't simply must be adhered to. However keep in mind that plenty drained brains have returned, and those staying may feel the need to exaggerate the reasons for their exodus a bit, after all they've fled their homeland. That comes from an import Toad, one doing well here thank you. The paradise went missing a long time ago, but in my opinion this is not too far off the runner-up slot, with space and beauty abound. No doubt a tourist is safer visiting Vienna, but hey, you don't want a boring holiday do you? :)) Maxirat Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/2/2005 4:35:00 PM   Toad – you mentioned others sharing their experiences. As I have stated before. I met a beautiful lady from Samara, her name was Lena. I visited her and spent 2 weeks with her and it was amazing. We became engaged and the departure it the Samara airport was torture. Lena was a terrific mother and 150% honest and did I mention beautiful !!! The next 4 months the process of visa applications, getting passports, medical exams etc etc. Then the visa was denied by our New Zealand immigration in Moscow. Everything seemed to change from that day with our relationship. Lena was hurt and confused by this rejection from our NZIS. I could feel straight away in our communications via email and phone that her heart had dulled and her mood had changed. To cut a long story short, I don’t think we had proper love to start with. I had some gut feelings from day one that her commitment and priorities were not correct for this big adventure. But because of the language barrier and not been able to accurately communicate and talk things over, this gave a blurred judgement of the real situation. I also got caught in the lust over love scenario. When I went back and spent time with her away from her home environment (we toured Moscow & Saint Petersburg) I saw a different lady. Still a good mother and honest as the day is long, but not a lady that would have any possibility in adapting to a change in a far away western society. I believe you must listen to your initial GUT FEELINGS. Be careful not to get caught into the lust situation, because, boy can these girls flick the right switches !!! They really go out of their way to give a man everything. So different to women here. I know my future partner is in the FSU. I think I have found her in Kiev and will hopefully be confirming this on my planned visit June – end July. N()R Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/2/2005 7:30:32 PM   "There are obviously two educations. One should teach us how to make a living and the other how to live." GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/2/2005 8:17:23 PM   Annika, Who is Louis Alberto? jjbarrier Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/3/2005 6:30:37 AM   I read with interest the comment on how things with the kid - I too just returned from a 10 day stay with my lady and her 9 year old daughter. I think I was extremely fortunate that the little girl was very open minded and not too shy. I don't know how Izzy's experience went, but I think most kids probably aren't going to jump up and down for joy when all of a sudden a strange man comes and stays with them, and gets affection from the mom that they are not used to sharing. I think such a situation takes a lot of patience and understanding, and can really be a challenge to both, the mom and her Western suitor. jjbarrier Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/3/2005 6:36:44 AM   Thunderdome, as an Austrian I have to object strenuously against the comment of Vienna and boring holiday. There are plenty of things to do there, and Vienna is at the cross roads of East and West, and if you go to the famous "Naschmarkt" on Saturday you hear more Eastern or SOuthern European languages spoken than German. There are very beautiful women in Vienna, and a very lively bar scene and night life. scottlf Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/3/2005 10:19:00 AM   I don't think TD meant that as an insult. As a tourist, Vienna is a safer destination, versus many FSU cities. I certainly would not view Vienna as "boring". It's a VERY pivotal city in Europe. jjbarrier Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/3/2005 11:27:15 AM   I meant my response half jokingly, actually. I have to say though that the only time I did feel a bit uncomfortable during my 10 days in Russia on one occasion was when we were waiting for the train, and on the plat form there was a soldier in his early 20s and he was standing with a few other folks and looked over at us and spoke words I of course didn't understand, but the tone of his voice didn't make it sound like he was saying nice things. Others than that I felt fine and didn't get the impression that people particularly noticed my presence or minded. Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/3/2005 1:46:06 PM   Hor mal JJ, since when is German spoken in Austria? Come on now, I'm fluent in it, but I can't understand you unless you adapt ;-) Gruss Gott geht noch, but after that I'm lost. I absolutely fully agree with he female beauty, not necessarily local though. I've spent many a nice holiday skiing there, im Zillertal, der Hintertuchs. No, I was comparing Vienna's safety-aspects to non-European locations, those with startling high crime stats. But trust me, you'll get used to even that. I read you've been to Kurgan. Tell me what this city is like, and did you visit only this city or maybe also some villages around it? Petrozavodsk maybe? Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/3/2005 1:48:12 PM   Sorry JJ, meant Petukhovo - been there? unclebuck Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/3/2005 2:26:04 PM   Guys the fact is it is a longshot but use your head and keep a sharp eye for warning sighns. An English sundial bears these words "It is always morning somewhere in the world" It is always morning somewhere, Always light pierces it's golden arrows through the night, Oh valiant ones and strong of heart, The dawn is always on the hills of life somewhere, I face skyward and forge on, The morning bugles sound upon the air, Strike from my tongue the bitter word "Defeat" Great tasks await my hands; great steps my feet, The morning calls me, high and clear and true. Unclebuck izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/3/2005 3:38:11 PM   JJ Regarding the child. Sullen uncommunicative silence is not the norm. I was a kid once I remember getting to know new people. It didn't take 2 weeks. Not 2 days. Not for a happy kid that isn't old beyond its years. I ran into a problem, plain and simple. I don't mind kids as I have posted many times. I see it as a positive not negative. A ready made family for me. Now I have instigated a new rule with my dating endeavours. Here it is. From now on whenever the woman has a child and it starts to get serious the kid has to write to me also on a very regular basis. If the child doesn't want to do it and mum isn't prepared to enforce it bye bye. She must think enough of me to respect my wishes on this. The purpose is to avoid surprises like with Marina's kid. I have come to the conclusion that once it has been decided that you want to pursue this one particular woman and build a relationship you are writing for 2. I want to get to know the child simultaneously. I haven't worked out the kinks in my new rule yet but I will. jjbarrier Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/3/2005 5:58:34 PM   Izi, actually that makes a lot of sense to me, good luck with that. TD - I was only in Ekat for 2 and 1/2 days and a week in Kurgan, not anywhere else. I have little to compare it to, Moscow obviously doesn't count. I guess it's probably like any other city, with a large place with a statue of Lenin (saw that in Ekat as well) and the eternal flame and the names of their dead from the war, and so on. THe same kind of appartment buildings, stores at the ground level that Toad referred to in another posting, and so on. Did not see any of the other cities nearby. Getting there is quite a trip, 8 hours to Frankfurt, 5 hours from there to Ekat, and another 5 hours by train. From the East coast of the US it's quite a journey. As for the language, I don't think it's any worse than elsewhere, I work with a lady from Rheinland Pfalz and can't understand half the stuff she is saying - her English though is excellent. Buran_Fan Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/5/2005 10:44:42 AM   Wow. My sympathies to izi and all you guys who got burned. I know I got off lucky - you guys flew halfway around the world - I only flew to Hartford. . . bob Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Down But Not Out
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