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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > getting started Author Post GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/24/2005 12:54:44 AM   Cards, The bottom line here separates those western men who want FSU punany for a change of scenery and those who want a woman to live a monogamous family lifestyle who follow values long lost among our available local pool of the opposite sex. Define what you want first and foremost. Then make a plan. If you just want to get your feet wet in the safest possible manner, sign up for the socials...if you're more confident and have some international travel under your belt, the solo trip AFTER you establish a friendship with one lady may be more fitting. good luck either way toad Nadya Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/24/2005 4:57:53 AM   Thunder, I can't say that I am on ladies or mens side :) I am Russian woman so I understand russian ladies expectations, motives, reaction to certain things. on the other hand I am familiar with western culture . I've spent almost two exchange years in the USA. long enough for not just to see museums, but also to understand behaivoir of Americans, their lifestyle, traditions, values. it is really hard to take just one side, when you understand both of them. especially if issue is intercultural missunderstanding. regarding interpersonal issues most probably I will take female side, just because I am a woman. GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/24/2005 12:48:38 PM   To contradict something Nadya wrote earlier I say stay the hell away from posting photos that reflect or enhance material/financial status. Cars, houses, horses, bling-bling, you name it. Even solicited or unsolicited talk about your income in the early stages of your acquaintance. The western men image, specially the american one, keeps getting worse and worse as more and more of us keep exporting ourselves to bridge the intercultural gaps between east and west. With little or no international travel experience, no knowledge of the eastern languages, history and cultures in general... and that damn "put a couple of bucks on it and should be OK" attitude so engrained in this undereducated, underinformed, capitalist and individualistic socio-economic system. It is what it is and I love it for the opportunity if offers me. But it's not perfect and it creats difficulties when we take a lifelong conditioning of 'money cures all' to a place like FSU. The good catches in FSU, and I believe they are still a vast majority do not give a flying coitus how mcuh money or material things you have as long as you have the means to produce and provide for yourself first and a new family sometime in the near future. It's all too easy to misinterpret financial generosity on your part. DO NOT EVER OFFER TO SEND MONEY TO SOMEONE YOU HAVE NEVER MET. If she is a scammer, then dduuuhhh...it's obvious why you shouldn't. If she is not, you run the risk to offend the crap out of her by sending the not so subtle insult that you think she is a lesser person, poor and unworthy of the character traits she values in a man. Lena tells me she has many friends who have opened up to the idea of marrying a foreigner and live abroad now that they see her situation. Some of them have been simply HORRIFIED by the way some american men have talked to them. These men have presented themselves as an american woman would love to see them comning...placing their financial statements in front of them, that is. Empty shells with a wallet, is what Lena and her friends call these type of men. toad izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/24/2005 1:09:14 PM   I re[peat "All of the above. I have one of each, 3 in total. No Mercedes, Harleys or mansions with a jacuzzi or helicopter pad. You will encourage the wrong attention." Well said Toadman unclebuck Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/24/2005 1:27:55 PM   One of the problems many people run into is the difference in spoken language and what FSU teaches. Sort of like Mexican Spanish vs the Spanish taight in schools. I had some problems with my Ella and a good friend overthere Exsplained it all to me. Here is an part of his letter. George, >> Actually what have you expected? Of course Ella does not understand >> much from what you are telling her. A school graduate with "A" in >> English will hardly get 45% from what you say, Ella catches up to 60% >> as she is used to your speech. Even I being a professional teacher of >> English language and literature, professional Russian-English >> interpreter still can't get about 10% from your speech(mainly Texas >> specific slang). Don't wait that until she gets to texas her English >> will improve, this method of teaching is called "full involvement". >> When a person gets to the place where everyone talks some language he >> or she has nothing to do than to learn it perfectly. >> My advise is to build your phrases like if you are talking to a child. >> Replace all the probably unknown words with the words she knows for >> sure, don't care that the sentence may sound clumsy. >> For instance lets take this your phrase. >> "We should watch our money and spend it wisely." >> Now a small lesson in comparative linguistics.:-) it is hard to >> translate this phrase literarily for a Russian person. First, "to >> watch the money" will be faster translated like "to sit and look at >> the money". Remember, one of the hardest part of English is that the >> same word with a different preposition can have radical meaning(watch >> out, watch for, watch at). In Russian main meaning mostly depends on >> the main word. So replace this "watch" for "save", "economize", >> "count". >> Then one more difference that in Russian "money" is plural only, while >> in English this word is only singular. You can do nothing with it but >> just for your understanding. >> Then take the word "wisely". In general "wise" is for sure not in the >> active vocabulary of most English speaking people here and when we add >> "ly" suffix to it it becomes in general unrecognizable for her. My >> advise when you have many words denoting some tones of the same >> notion, use the simplest word ( like awful, disgusting, terrible, >> should be just- bad). I would change "wisely" to "cleverly" or "in a >> clever way". Yes, clever are only dogs not people but in our schools >> "clever" has always been a popular word. >> >> Finally, is it this bad when a woman to every your word tells "I love >> you, dear!"???:-) Like, "Honey, you know, we will not buy you a new >> fur coat, I have found a wonderful car audio system for this money." - >> "YEs, I love you my darling!" Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/25/2005 3:08:06 PM   Nadya, NO, no, pardon my English, I never meant to ask which side you were on, a silly question if anything - I meant the Female Forum side, you being the moderator there too. But now we know WHAT side you're on - the boring middle of the road ;-) Cardsfan = fan of cards, like in hooked on them? Playing Cards, like Clubs, Hearts etc hence a gambling man maybe, not shy of risks or just a player. Too far fetched? UB, your post is a VERY interesting one, even if it (it does!) makes you look a bit clumsy, no offence. What surprises me is that you 'write' in an accent, or slang - you do? jmoluv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/25/2005 4:02:17 PM   Izi, Dont ever ask me to borrow my M.B. or H.D. Maxirat Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/25/2005 4:46:25 PM   izi I have got a Helicopter Pad !!!! (think about it) Toad You mention "Some of them have been simply HORRIFIED by the way some American men have talked to them" Yes, not only their talk about material wealth, but sexual innuendo too. (more pointed than the one I wrote above) My Lena, said some men’s 1st letters was straight to point, sexual expectations. We attack and analyse good men getting scammed by bad FSU women. You might all find, it is many Good FSU women getting abused by Bad western men. I know, if I was a good looking women, and some RSole wrote insulting shit, I think I would love to take some of his $$ if his Dick is bigger than his brain !!! ONEKINDMAN Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/26/2005 2:08:37 AM   I agree Max, Why on earth would you ever write your sexaul thoughts to a lady on your first letters or until you even know one another. That does Insult me and morons like that do deserve to get ripped off and put in there place. If I wrote to A Lady about sex and she replied I think I would would start to wonder WTF I was getting into :) or for that matter who was getting into her. unclebuck Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/26/2005 8:03:37 AM   I thought by sharing my friend’s letter to me on the problem of communication it might help Card on his start and save him some misunderstandings. So many of the people who write in the in the forum are plagued with this problem. Sometimes we assume that the women understand when in reality they do not. We think their responses are strange or that they mean something negative. Add in the scammers and the flakes and we end up confused on both sides. Yes, I am a little clumsy in my English but I keep trying and I care about people. GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/26/2005 7:42:43 PM   WOW WOW WOW...ONE & MAX, Put the castrating weed wacker away, mate!!! What Lena's friends complained, were outraged and even 'horrified' about is the blatant lack of ability by most of these american men of talking about anything except MONEY and the value of the material things they own. No knowledge of world history, current events, geography, cultural characteristics of her country (or at least show the honest willingness to learn), ethnic demographics, art, literature, parenting, family planning (not abortions), relationships with his current family members, children etc... Open discussion of a person's sexuality is still a topic treated as taboo by most FSU women compared to the open ways of the west, but do not fool yourselves, boys...if you think these women were not sexually active or used to being approached by local men for sex before they you found them, you're a naive fool... You can take your chances, like many of us have done and believe these women are capable of being loyal and faithful to you once there is a commitment established. But don't think for a moment that sexual innuendos or proposals horrify anyone, lol... toad Maxirat Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/26/2005 8:16:09 PM   Wow wow Toad Reread Yes, not only their talk about material wealth, but sexual innuendo too. My Lena, said some men’s 1st letters was straight to point, sexual expectations. It just peeves me that there are sickos that treat ANY other person like that. Because they hide behind the keyboard. Nadya Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/27/2005 2:39:02 AM   if you are looking for serious relationship it is not recommended to talk about sex in your ad and first letters. lady will start thinking that you are only looking for sex and that you are not interested in her as life partner. most women are aware that some men go to FSU just to have a sex trip. if you touch this subject too early you risk to scare away decent , seriously motivated lady. however it is very important issue and sooner or later it should be brought up, you should not put it away. women are also interested to talk about it. if you want to discuss it with her but you are shy or you don't know how she will take it, very well way to start is to bring it up along with other important issues. don't put it on first or last place. talk about it as an aspect of family life. GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/27/2005 11:21:23 AM   Come on, Maxi.. I'd call those men tactless, at worst. But sick???...Naaahhh I'd not start calling any man sick unless I see reason to believe that they contact FSU women to deceive them into entering extreme and dangerous situations. And yes, there are some real sickos out there, but your average horny, blue balled tactless man does not deserve that label. I think the wisest thing I've done in the last two years was to avoid painting all the FSU women with the same brush. We can easily miss out on getting to know each of them if we do not pay attention to what really makes them tic individually if we only focus on the general cultural similarities they all share. In turned, I have asked every woman that I corresponded with to treat me as an individual and to do her best to avoid trying to fit me into a mold, lol... Nothing turned me off more than reading or hearing: "You americans are all the same" We are not. Period. And neither are they. toad ONEKINDMAN Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/28/2005 12:32:08 AM   I agree with the part of willingness to learn and be very boring And talk about money I believe that very much so. As far as the sex part I would never be Naive and not think that she didnt have sex or even care for that matter once I was in a relationship. But to start out with hi my name is David and I am so horny I want to bend you over and load it like a shot gun and getting replies from women (not for me) A touch of class and like I said once our relationship starts believe me she can talk as dirty as she likes in bed:) and the shot gun thing sounds great. I agree with toad about the being approched by local men thing. Once you choose the lady your going to hopefully Marry and love and she is Faithful. I could care aless about her past just the future I see. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/29/2005 10:40:49 AM   Tactless yes! The question of sex with Larissa and I came to one question from me. Do you still enjoy it. Her answer well, you will just have to find out yourself. I won't go into details but spectacular is a word that falls short in description. spirittraveller Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/29/2005 2:00:17 PM   It seems to me that our male counterparts in FSU have already filled the heads of these women with lecherous,drunken suggestions. Male hormonal bravado is not appreciated when it is sexually innuous and degrading to women. Good point,Max,I know that some women feel burning vengeance towards this type of man--but stereotyping breeds contempt,and the most insincere of these women will not know where to draw the line. I sure felt better when all the weirdos and fags and horndogs kept all their stuff buried at home,instead of thinking that sex has some kind of political rights. I don`t care what anybodies sexuality is-I just don`t want it presented to me like some kind of street circus parade. spirittraveller Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/29/2005 2:15:24 PM   Irony. When I was in the fifth grade,there was a Russian girl named Milena who I had this shy little crush on. She knew much more than I about matters of sex. She would throw rolled up notes to me in the classroom,and many of them were very suggestive,but I was still a little innocent of these matters. Well,one of the letters said,"You should belong to the club for the guys with the biggest dick" There was a phallic (okay a dick ) picture on the note. Not really knowing how to respond ( again at age 11? ) I wrote her a very randy poem,crumpled it up,and threw it at her. While it was still in the air,my teacher turned from the blackboard to see it fall on the floor. He retrieved it,and read silently,smiling a little as he did. Then he sent me to the principal`s office. The principal did not smile. He was all jowly and red with rage. He told me to stand up and grab my ankles like a big boy. I did,and whack-whack-whack-whack-whack!! On my derierre. Because I did not cry ( hell my dad whipped my back ) he said grab `em again,and spanked me a second time. He sat me down and said,"What do you think would happen if Milena`s older brother read this note? How would you feel if you knew Milena`s mother had read this ? " It struck home about the mama reading my porno poetry. And to this day I think of the implication of what a person writes,especially on paper. GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/29/2005 2:34:39 PM   Spirit, I disagree. FSU innuous male sexual bravado is not only welcome and expected, but also intentionally provoked. No woman ever goes out of her home thinking: "Hummm, let's see how many men get to rape me today"...but few things put a wide smile from ear to ear on a young or not so young pretty available and willing FSU woman than to KNOW she makes heads turn, cars crash and male tongues roll down to their knees while she struts on the sidewalks. They practice the art of flirting to perfection and far beyond, and after all the effort they take to get dressed to the nines, they do expect crave and need the attention they get. That is a far cry from the steroptyped phrase coined by some italian gumba "She washhhh asssking for it, judge.." when something serious happens out of this initial and seemingly harmless flirting. But let's not confuse where it all starts. Toad spirittraveller Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/29/2005 5:00:50 PM   It is such a parade,but a good looking enough woman does not really need to display herself to make heads turn,like a good product which every man needs and wants (The Segway,or maybe a razor which shaves the back without wax ). You buy into her physicality before she even spoke or made herself seem worthy of notice. Unless the motivation is just to get dated by many as many foreigners that she can. This is beneath me. I want the woman who thinks-hmmm,he seems different then other men,are you sure he is an American? Not the easy highway woman,but one who knows she is beautiful but doesn`t know it. If I want a good eyefull of drop dead knockout women,I will just go see the Stones when they are here.Or pretty much any concert. So,I guess I can almost rule out city girls it seems,since they are so starved for male attention. I wouldn`t care if she was wearing overalls and barefoot and covered with manure dust if she only had one ounce of honesty, integrity,and sincerity to match her pretty looks. And she would let me help clean off the dust! Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > getting started
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